Q21Q21's Tek: A comprehensive guide to extracting DMT

[Dr.Boomstik]

:Note: This is by no means my tek, nor am I trying to imply that it is...I just couldn't believe it's ease, non-toxicity, lack of equipment, and time needed to complete. I do recommend (if you do the fluffy white funfest) using HDPE 2 Jugs as it reduces smell and mess as well as Whatcha's Gatorade sep funnel improvisation .....Oh yeah, how could I fail to mention the yield of white/crystal clear Beauty!? haha... I'm just surprised that it's not the most used/talked about tek out there - as it should be.

http://mycotopia.net/forums/botanica...ction-dmt.html
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It is pleasant to know that I've tried nearly all DMT extraction procedures and not only does this work (uber well in fact haha), it works marvelously (I guarantee you'll have more than enough to enlighten your friends in less than 24hrs -From absolute scratch start to finish-), and without the need for coffee filters, muriatic acid, caustic lye, and all the other steps involved in traditonal A/B teks....all while being clean, smooth, swift, and potent!

As you all kmow, Dimitri is a marvelous, powerful teacher so please use her w/ respect and safety. She is capable of taking one beyond mind to the Overman/mind...the Soul. Bow in Reverence and appreciation of this beautiful - miraculous gift! That means, please, please, please don't just use her as a way to get 'fucked up', act a fool, and think it's 'cool' to post your shanigans on YouTube to ruin it for those who actually have spiritual/religious use and delight in her presence....With that said, enjoy the Wisdom and be safe!

artsites.ucsc.edu/GDead/agdl/terr.html#fire"While the firelight's aglow
strange shadows in the flames will grow
till things we've never seen
will seem familiar...


The storyteller makes no choice
soon you will not hear his voice
his job is to shed light
and not to master
Since the end is never told
we pay the teller off in gold
in hopes he will come back
but he cannot be bought or sold

[~anuggslife]

i agree, used this my first time and freaked out it was that easy
if u passed 3rd grade chemistry class this tek is going to be simple
i will be using this tek again and i recommend it to everyone

[Sidestreet]

Hello, I moved your thread to Botanicals Cactus & Misc. Entheogens & Psychedelics. You should get more response here.

Have a nice day.

[Shamsu]

i think ill switch to this tek to finish off my root bark that was stated with vinegar

[Shadowlord]

Haven't tried any method other than the standard Lye and Naphtha methods but will one day give this method a shot.

[StheNC]

Whoever wrote this tek says that lye is toxic. It isn't. You can bye food graqde lye. It is used in pretzel making for just one example. It will burn the fuck out of you but is not toxic.

Also, the tek writer says that after salting the spice out of the limonene with vinegar, that the vinegar can be evaporated to yield a smokeable DMT acetate. This is contrary to other information I have read regarding the temperature that DMT salts can withstand before breaking down.

Aditionally, the bark is acidified making the DMT water soluble, but then the lime is added without straining out the bark. I don't see the point in this. If I am going to take the extra time to do the acid phase, I'm going to ditch the solid material once all the goodies are in the acidic solution.

I'm going to stick with the good ole STB personally. I like Whatcha's TEK, it got me through my first extraction, and I've tweaked a few details that I feel add to the efficiency.

I was skeptical of this tek as soon as I saw that the writer said lye was very toxic. Bad information in the beginning tends to make me doubt the reliability of this TEK.

I'm sure it will yield some DMT, but I think the way I do it is much simpler and the yields are above average.

[McDozd]

This is spice not mesc. In my opinion the tek is fine minus the salting. Personally I would go with regular pulls with naptha and precip.
Mc

[StheNC]

Who said anything about mesc?

I just wanted to know why you would acidify the bark, just to turn around and raise the pH with a base without removing the bark material. If you are going to add the base to the bark you may as well stick with an STB and save your vinegar for making pickles.

I though the whole point of doing an A/B was so you could defat and not have to work with the bark sludge during your NP pulls.

Plus, Lye isn't toxic. It's a food grade material.

And can someone tell me if DMT acetate is smokeable like it says in the tek? I read that the acetate stays gooey.
I thought DMT salts were mainly for oral ingestion and the freebase spice was for smoking.

[Dr.Boomstik]

ANuggs and Sham- Right on! You know what's up!.....haha

Thanks Sidestreet...I'm not allowed to post in the botonical or DMT spice forum - guess I don't have enough posts/rep...All Gravy though.

ShadowLord - I've noticed your posts on Whatcha's and I believe you should attempt this method...if anything just to experiment or for Shits and Giggles...It's pretty much Whatcha's, when pure N,n is the objective (which I borrowed/combined many things from Whatcha to this tek) with an extra vinegar step, slightly different base, and no need for Re-x. BUT, like anything else - if you have a way of doing it that works for you...roll w/ it

StheNC - I believe McDozd was chirping about the placement of this post in Cacti and not DMT Spice, not in relation to anything you said.

There's no need to argue about whether Lye is dangerous or not...If you say it isn't, I believe you and that's glorious.... but that still doesn't change the fact that it's nearly impossible to acquire 100% lye where I live, unless I want aluminum shavings in it. So, instead of ordering Food-Grade Lye (which I applaud you for btw), risking questions from retailers (around here is HUGE w/ meth - trust me, they ask), and paying shipping costs, I'd much rather skip down to the store and grab a bag of Mrs. Wages for 2$ an lb.

I, too, was curious about the acid-step when first coming across this tek (as Q21Q21 seemed to be as well - he combined 69ron and Amor-Fati's mesc teks) but it seemed to have helped somewhat or he would have omitted it. He also states that it will work just as well without the vinegar (it just takes longer) but at 2$ a gallon at Wally World and the little amount needed - it'd just be tightwad lazyness not to use it. I believe, although I could be wrong, that this is due to Calcium Hydroxide not being quite as strong a base as Sodium H and thus taking longer to break down and convert alkaloids within cell walls...The acid step meets it half way.

As for the JimJam/Jungle...The salting w/ vinegar is used because xylene (if you've ever played w/ xylene, you know what I mean) is wretched, will damn near knock you out, and is an aromatic nightmare when attempting to use, let alone evap pulls (not too mention the worry that a little may still be in your final product)...d-limonene takes FOREVER - plus it will leave traces of chemies...the vinegar pulls it out and is much less of a hassle to evap or 'slightly' simmer down. Btw, acetate smokes just dandy!!!! I assure you, although it is more of a hassle to prepare and has quite a different feel than N,n alone. You should send me a link to the info about temperatures they breakdown at....not in attempt to prove you wrong or anything but I'm curious because if Jimjam (as made in this tek) is left out too long, it loses potency quick (learned that the hard way haha) and would like to avoid in the future... although when freshly made ready (through slight simmer and made into a tincture/fridged) it's even more potent (and tastier) than N,n. If i were to make Pharmahuasca it would be with Jimjam, as you said.

Like I said to ShadowLord, if your way works for you...Sweet Nectar - I'm just trying to help others out as Q21Q21 has helped me (awesome guy too btw who always answered q's via pm) and spread the word to those who may have trouble finding supplies or just want to experiment w/ Lady D differently.

P.S. I've known many people who have extracted via A/B / STB using Lye and I believe Sodium H is just too strong or something - it tends to aid in the pull of Yellow DMT-N-oxide by naptha and make white spice come out yellow. Even whatcha's tek (which is beautiful and I have nothing against it) calls for an extra Sodium Carbonate wash, water wash, and epsom salt dry...and it STILL needs recrystallized because it's slightly yellow. I assure you, try this tek, take your pulls (right from the basified bark w/out any wash whatsoever), put them in a mason jar in the freezer, and tell me it's not the whitest, smoothest, crystal you've ever smoked. I've known GD Family members who couldn't believe how crisp the ascent was, how long the peak, and how smooth the comedown was...all into a euphoric state that lasted the full day...i.e. the best they've ever had. Now, imagine what it looks/tastes like when I actually do Re-x it.

I'm just sayin - try it before you knock it brotherman. Much Love, always.

[StheNC]

I never said lye wasn't dangerous, I said it wasn't toxic. There is a difference you know.

[lysergic]

Whoever wrote this tek says that lye is toxic. It isn't. You can bye food graqde lye. It is used in pretzel making for just one example. It will burn the fuck out of you but is not toxic.

Also, the tek writer says that after salting the spice out of the limonene with vinegar, that the vinegar can be evaporated to yield a smokeable DMT acetate. This is contrary to other information I have read regarding the temperature that DMT salts can withstand before breaking down.

Aditionally, the bark is acidified making the DMT water soluble, but then the lime is added without straining out the bark. I don't see the point in this. If I am going to take the extra time to do the acid phase, I'm going to ditch the solid material once all the goodies are in the acidic solution.

I'm going to stick with the good ole STB personally. I like Whatcha's TEK, it got me through my first extraction, and I've tweaked a few details that I feel add to the efficiency.

I was skeptical of this tek as soon as I saw that the writer said lye was very toxic. Bad information in the beginning tends to make me doubt the reliability of this TEK.

I'm sure it will yield some DMT, but I think the way I do it is much simpler and the yields are above average.

Agreed.
It doesn't get much simpler than STB.
Not really "toxic" at all if performed properly.


Also, good luck with DMT acetate.
From everything else I've read,
it does not crystallize, but turns into a sticky oily mess




Good post nonetheless

[Dr.Boomstik]

haha...you guys are truly blowing my mind...all i can say is WoW

[Bulk]

I'm just sayin - try it before you knock it brotherman. Much Love, always.

....
Wise words.

[Shamsu]

Well i am in the middle of attempting this tek, i will post my results

[~anuggslife]

im just did this last night with half of my 2nd order of bark

ill post a picture later

[Drewbo]

i actually just found this over at the nexus... Tried to find it in the vaults, but couldnt.... any other feedback on this method?

[Norman]

Agreed.
It doesn't get much simpler than STB.
Not really "toxic" at all if performed properly.


Also, good luck with DMT acetate.
From everything else I've read,
it does not crystallize, but turns into a sticky oily mess

People using terms like toxic when they mean corrosive drives me nuts too.
I fail to see the point of salting a freebase if a smokeable product is what you're after.
Every form of DMT salt I've made has been a sticky mess. I haven't tried fumerate yet though.
For "jimjam" a much easier method is to mix powdered bark with an equal amount of calcium hydroxide, wet it until it's mud, let it dry, and wash it with acetone. Dry the acetone down and there you have a full spectrum product.

[Drewbo]

so, gave this a shot... went all the way through... put the dish in the freezer, and 12 hours later, its all foggy with (assuming) crystal-ey goodness, but none setting up on the bottom....

so, gave it another 12 hours, still a bunch of swimmers, but nothing forming.

any down side to just evapping? or should it just be left to chill?

[~anuggslife]

im having the same thing with mine

i was freeze precipitating in a large glass dish and after 2 days only very very few crystals had formed

so i moved into 2 pint jars and put ice all around it
they are very cloudy so i know theres something there maybe just wait
im under the impression freeze crystals are better smoke than evap ones

[Drewbo]

meh... evapped 3 pulls (2 of which sat for 10 hours each before being pulled) and nada! Some odd "film"... which is prolly just fine dust particles in the air... but thats it...suck!

no bueno!


looking back, the ONLY thing i'm 100 percent on is my vinegar... not sure if its 5%... only assumption is that the acid would be too strong (like 100% ??), and the base not strong enough (honestly not sure tho).... what should my next step be to save this batch?

[~anuggslife]

how much mhrb did you use?

mine was probably ~800g batch and i think thats too much for this tek to work properly

im just gonna wait for mine to freeze out

[Drewbo]

100g mhrb
100ml vinegar
100ml near boiling water
let sit

added 75g calcium hydroxide (lime)

added VM&P... etc....

im at a loss?

edit:
"Heinz® Distilled White Vinegar is made from sun-ripened grain and crystal clear water. With a clean, crisp flavor, it's ideal for your favorite marinades, salads, and recipes. Also, due to its mild acidity (5%), it is a great all natural helper around the house for cleaning and other chores and at a fraction of the cost of chemical based products."

[Freaky]

So, I was going to copy this spice tek over to Topia, but if you all aren't finding it worthwhile to the teks we already have here I won't waste the space or my time.

Shout out if you'd like a copy of it here. Then you won't have to go offsite to view it.

[Drewbo]

this is my first attempt at extraction... but i followed "tek 2" to the point. I'm just not sure where to go from here.

The reason i tried this tek, i had all the stuff! the thinner in the garage, lime for my fungi, why not?

Hmm.... may hafta go talk to q21q21 over at the nexus and get some first hand advice...

[Drewbo]

ive got a dish full of snowflakes this morning!


This tek is golden! I believe my lime (used for casing additive) was the wrong stuff. I tried another batch of mhrb with pickling lime (mrs. wages... 2 or 3 bucks)... and it all went just like the tek said.

easy. easy. easy!

Once i get a few more pulls i'll post some yields, but this tek is great!

I cant vouch for tek 1.... but q21's "tek 2" is working great for me... just remember the right kind of lime is the key to it all!

[Freaky]

Thanks Drewbo, I'll be sure to copy both teks here to Topia citing Q21Q21 authorship on the teks.

I'll continue working on the copies.

[~anuggslife]

yah ill post pictures tomorrow when i get my snow globe dried out

this tek is wonderful to introduce someone new to simple extraction procedures

[Akari]

Yeah. IMO, STB is way faster, way easier...

[kcmoxtractor]

Also, good luck with DMT acetate.
From everything else I've read,
it does not crystallize, but turns into a sticky oily mess

Hygroscopy is a property of acetate salts in general.

[Shamsu]

First off I'd like to say................WOW!!! Wowzy Wowzer!!!

Talk about easy...anyone who can use a blender and pour liquids into other liquids, can make all the pure white spice they want!!!! I cant beleive how simple and fast this was compared to the tediouse alternitives.

This is the first time i tried this method, with edible lime and vinegar instead of HCl and NaOH, and I was able to grow 1/4 inch crystals!!!!!! And they turned out to be little sheets of "glass", crystal clear pointed window panes that radiate out of a central seed point. I was blown away!!!! i cant beleve that these things are 1/16- 1/8 inch thick, 1/4 in long, and 1/8 in wide or more, and it was only a 3 day evaperatory crystal grow. the solution wasnt concentraited enough for a freez percip, and when nothing would freeze precipitate out i got nervouse and thought i had messed up somewhere. but 3 days later....Huge crystals. I was expecting some nice white fluff on the bottom of the evaperation vessel, like a fine dusting of snow all over the bottom. but aparently those few tiny crystals, that formed in the solution before it went into the evaperator, were good seeds. all most all the crystals in the bottom are growing nice and evenly off the seeds, a few stray "piles" of smaller flaky crystals are scattered around here and there, but there are 8 single crystals that are 1/4 in or bigger!!!

The awsome thing with this tek, is the range of saftey you have, with these weaker acids and bases. If you go over the calculated volumes to be added; it is not a problem when bealing with the calcium hydroxide for instance. if you were using sodium hydroxide, you would want to pay much more attention to the exsact volume that you add, where as with the calcium hydroxide has more of a range where the volume of powder added would have to increases substantialy before having a large change in the pH. In other word you can eyeball and estimate the rough volumes needed when using these medium streangth "food safe" acid and base. where you have to be much more accurate when mesurring out the volumes of the stronger acids and bases like HCl and Sodium Hydroxide.

I simply ground up the root bark and added anough 5% vinegar to cover the plant matter by 1/2 inch. let the first pull sit for 2 weeks(i know probably a little excessive). and then put the 1st pull in a jar and repeated this step again letting the 2nd pull sit 3 weeks. i then added 1 to 2 and have the 3rd pull sitting now. and within 2 hrs the third pull was deep purp/red. I got several pulls off the material beore it started to lose color intensity, but the first set of crystals came from 1/2 of the mix from the first 2 pulls.

Anyway...I was worried about not having any experience with this perticular tek, so i divided the mixed pulls so that i wouldnt loose everything if i messed something up. And then I added 50g of Calcium hydroxide(edible lime) to the beaker containing the vinegat MHRB tea. After stirring this with a glass rod for a few min all the bright red and dark purple color had changed to a dull grey/white. I let this sludge sit for a few hrs to allow for reaction time.

Then I added roughly the same volume of naptha to the mix. after trying to slowly stir the mixture below the naptha layer and avoiding any emulsion, i could see i wasnt getting any mixing to occure. so i said F it...And shook it. if the emmusion turned out to be real bad i could just retry with the other half while the emulsion was settling out. when i got the whole jar mixed into one even colored mass of boubled emulsion, i stopped shaking it and set it in the closet.

I was surprised to see any seperation, let alone about 70% seperated by the end of the 2nd hr. So after a week of settling out.. I was able to get 75% of the naptha/spice mix out of the settling container.

I then tried to see if anything would freeze percipitate out without reducing the volume of the naptha. Unsuccessfull!!! so i got out an 8X8 glass cake pan and let the naptha evaporate off slowly over 3-4 days. On the second day the liquid still looked the same as the first day. But when i tried to fish out s fruit fly, i could see a cloud of white particles in suspention, start to move away from the small object i was using to fish out the fly. I was excited when i saw this. and when i shifted the cake dish i could see these particles pile up on eachother and become visible for a short period before falling back into a clear solution. this probably would have been a good time to freeze, but i was trying to see if i coulf grow bigger crystals if i let them for slower. I had read than freezer crystals would grow larger if the solution changed teperature very slowly. By the end of the 2nd day, the few small white flecks that were in solution prior to evaporating, were slightly larger. then i wasnt able to look at them all day the 3rd day and that night i cheked them befoer going to bed. And i was stoked to find not white fluffy fuzz, or even snow flakes, but shards!!!

I didnt weigh them to see what the yeild was... but it was more than satisfactory. we sat around and had a spice party and shared the spice with all my friends. I love blowing peoples minds(for free!)

Side note: I didnt do a defatting step. I dont tend to do defatting steps with MHRB. And this tek is more than clean enough, that its unneeded.

I would recomend this tek to anyone starting out or anyone that is ...well...Lazy!

Bravo!! thanx for bringing this to our attention. I am going to use this tek from now on. No wories about chemical burns, or soak times. just over all easier, safer and user frendly compared to the standsrd methods. Thumbs Up!!!

So, I was going to copy this spice tek over to Topia, but if you all aren't finding it worthwhile to the teks we already have here I won't waste the space or my time.

Shout out if you'd like a copy of it here. Then you won't have to go offsite to view it.

I would totaly get this onto mycotopia! it is a great "beguiners guide" to simple, safe and fast teks that anyone without chemistry/labratory experience can do.

[Freaky]

It is copied onto Mycotopia.

Here:
http://mycotopia.net/forums/botanica...ction-dmt.html

[Bulk]

My whole extraction start to finish was three days...
And about 20 min of collective work.

This seems to take weeks.....if I'm not misunderstanding....

Seems like a good tek. Whatcha's tek was SUPER SUPER easy, I don't know how anyone could mess it up, minus getting the wrong chems...

But I'm sure I'll give that way a go in the future!
Thanks!

[~anuggslife]

this tek can be completed in 6 hours + time for crystals to crash out

[gonefishen]

swim did this tek last weekend if your bring it just to tincture. its like a total of 2 hours 2.5 at the most and works great.
the food safe way definitively works very well. In swim's opinion

[kuntry]

would a dry ice bath speed precipitation?

edit: nevermind....sheesh....lol

[spirit]

can someone fix that link it doesnt work anymore or miss directed

[Freaky]

Yes it'll be fixed later tonight/tomorrow. Had a mishap and need to repost.

[Shamsu]

would a dry ice bath speed precipitation?
edit: nevermind....sheesh....lol

I imagine if you could keep your suspention from freezing to allow percipitation. But remember the slower you lower the temp....the larger the crystals will be. if you flash to nemps i imagine you will get a bunch of tinny flakes instead of a few lg ones. So it depends on what you want.

My friends best yeilds and product have been 1 month or more for the entire process.