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Fitch F. Fitch (Fitch)
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I was wondering if anyone had a list of watchlisted chemicals. I have no intentions of performing any experiments myself, but I would like it as a reference so if I had information for someone, I could provide possible procedures that did not involve these chemicals. Searches on google turn up a lot of crap.

Thanks.
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Tehuti (Roo)
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Here is my big list!

From: [email protected] (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Watched Chemicals
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 14 Nov 91 06:00:00 GMT

This is from Psychedelic Chemistry by Michael Valentine Smith. Available
from Loompanics Unlimited, PO Box 1197, Port Townsend, WA 98368 USA. A
catalog of books is available for $3.00. I'm fairly impressed with this
book because it documents most sources -- journal articles and patents.

DEA WATCHED LIST OF CHEMICALS
(Compiled by Richard C. Hall III)

Many of these chemicals are suspicious only if ordered by individuals,
in large or in repeated orders. Others are suspect under any conditions.

Acetic Anhydride
Acetone Dicarboxylic Acid
N-Acetylanthranilic Acid
N-Acetylmescaline
Aluminum Foil (?)
Ammonium Acetate
Anthranilic Acid
Barbituric Acid
Banzaldehyde
Benzocaine
Benzyl Methyl Ketone
Beta Keto Clutaric Acid
mono-Bromobenzene
Chloroamphetamine
o-Chloroaniline
Chloromethanamphetamine
Citral
Cyclhexanone
Dextrose, anhydrous
Dextrose, monohydrate
5,5-Dibromobarbituric Acid
2,5-Diethoxytetrahydrofuran
Diethylamine
Diethylamine Malonate
1,3-Diethyl-2-Thiobarbituric Acid
Dihydroergotamine
Dimethylamine
Dimethyl Acetone
Dimethyl Beta Keto Glutaric Acid
Dimethyl Sulfoxide (DMSO)
Ephedrine
Ergocristine
Ergocryptine
Ergonovine
Ergotamine
Ergothioneine
Ethyl Ether
Formamide
Formic Acid
Glyoxylic Acid
Hexane
Hydrogen
Hydrogen Iodide
Hydroxylamine
Hydroxylamine Hydrochloride
5-Hydroxyuracil
Indole
Isobarbituric Acid
Lactose
Lidocaine
Lithium Aluminum Hydride
Magnesium Metal (esp. Turnings)
Malonic Acid
Methylamine
Methylamine Hydrochloride
2-Methyl Benzoxazone
3,4-Methylenedioxy compounds (any)
N-Methylmescaline
N-Methyl Formamide
Monoethanolamine
5-Nitrobarbituric Acid
Nitroethane
5-Nitrosothiobarbituric Acid
Olivetol
Oxalyl Chloride
Phenyl-2-Propanone
Phenylacetic Acid
Phenylacetone
Phenyl Magensium Bromide
Phenylpropanolamine
Phosphorus Oxychloride
Piperidine
Piperonyl & related compounds
Potassium Cyanide
Procaine
Quinine
Sodium Acetate
Sodium Cyanide
Sodium Formate
Sulfanilamide
Thiourea
p-Toluene Sulfonic Acid
o-Toluidine
Toluol
Trifluoracetic Acid
2,4,5-Trihydroxypyrimidine
3,4,5-Trimethoxybenzaldehyde
Tryptophan
Tryosine
Urea

Also, in the front of the book there appears this note:

Orders for certain chemicals used to make psychedelics (especially
large orders in suspect areas) are sometimes checked by narcs. Indole,
lithium aluminum hydride, trimethoxybenzaldehyde, phenyl-2-propanol,
diethylamine, olivetol and ergotamine are among those watched. The vast
majority of the homologs and analogs described here are, however, legal
to manufacture and use.
[not sure if this last statement is accurate after the Designer Drug laws]
For lists of proscribed drugs, see the Code of Federal Regulations 21:
part 300 to end, the U.S. Pharmacoepoeia 19:690 or write to the Drug
Enforcement Administration, Dept of Justice, 1405 1st St. N.W., Washington
D.C. 20537. There are also state laws to contend with.
A current list of DEA watched chemicals appears in the back of this book.

The copywrite date on the book is 1981, and naturally I didn't get permission
to reprint this and will burn in hell forever. Spelling errors are also
probably mine and I expect them to lengthen my stay in copywrite purgatory...

--
Lamont Granquist "If the principle were to prevail of a common law [ie.
[email protected] a single government] being in force in the United
States...it would become the most corrupt government
on the Earth" -- Thomas Jefferson to G Granger (1800)

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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 15:36:02 EDT
From: <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: DEA watched list of chemicals

Its more difficult than that. The DEA has three tiers of observation when
it comes to chemicals. First tier is the actual illegal drugs, which can be
bought from chemical supply companies (for biochem and chem research).
These are watched very carefully, with the research groups being subjected
to rigourous security checks, and all material has to be accounted for.
Second tier is chemicals that are direct precursors to illegal chemicals, or
combinations of chemicals that can be used to manufacture illegal chemicals.
These are watched closely, and will merit detailed survelliance if not
ordered by reputable research groups or companies. The third tier are all
other chemicals not commonly found in public. The DEA watches all
individuals that order chemicals very closely, so expect to be questioned
and required to account for what you ordered, legally. Many chemical supply
companies will not ship chemicals to individuals.

Even creating a front company works only some of the time, if the chemicals
you order are not obviously usfull for drug (or explosives) manufacture.
Often illegal labs use three or more front companies to avoid detection (and
a large number get busted anyway).

To answer your question: which chemicals are DEA watched? All of them!

Phred PSmIth, Galactic Gadabout

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Subject: [anonymous] Controlled Substances
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:40:24 GMT
Originator: [email protected]

Well, here's the complete list of controlled substances
as contained in the 1992 Sigma catalog. I'm not a chemist, so I
can only accept responsibility for transcription errors. Net
chemists please check this over and comment.
In general, 'a' means 'alpha', 'B' means capital 'beta',
and 'd' means 'delta', while 'delta' means capital 'delta'. 'D'
and 'L' mean 'dextro' and 'levo'. Read the list and you'll know
what I mean.
I haven't checked this against any other lists of controlled
or watched chemicals, and I can't guarantee that this is a complete
list or a completely accurate one. However, there has been discussion
along this line in alt.drugs and I thought I would offer this as a
start at least. Alt.drug gurus: should/could this be placed in an
anonymous ftp depository?

>From 1992 Sigma Chemical Company catalog, pages 1628 & 1629:

DEA CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES CLASSES I-IV

Class Name
III Allylcyclopentenylbarbituric Acid
II Alphaprodine HCl
III Alphenal
IV Alprazolam
IV Alprazolam-d5
II Amobarbital
II Amobarbital Sodium
II L-Amphetamine Free Base
II D-Amphetamine Sulfate
II DL-Amphetamine Sulfate
II D-Amphetamine-d3 Sulfate
III 5a-Androstan-17B-ol-3-one
III 5-Androstene-3B,17B-diol
III 5-Androstene-3B,17B-diol 3-Acetate
III 5-Androstene-3B,17B-diol 3-Acetate 17-Benzoate
III 5-Androstene-3B,17B-diol 17-Benzoate
III 5-Androstene-3B,17B-diol Diacetate
III 5-Androstene-3B,17B-diol Dipropionate
III 5-Androstene-3B,17B-diol 3-Sulfate
III 5-Androstene-3B,17B-diol 17-Sulfate
III Aprobarbital
IV Barbital
IV Barbital Sodium
II Benzoylecgonine Hydrate
II Benzoylecgonine-d3
III Benzphetamine HCl
III Bolasterone
IV Bromazepam
I Bufotenine Monooxalate
III Butabarbital
III Butalbital
III Butethal
I Cannabidiol
I Cannabinol
IV Chloral Hydrate
IV Chlordiazepoxide HCl
IV Chlordiazepoxide-d5
III 4-Chlorotestosterone Acetate
IV Clobazam
IV Clonazepam
IV Clorazepate Dipotassium
II Cocaine Free Base
II Cocaine HCl
II Cocaine-d3
II Cocaine-d3 HCl
II Codeine
III 1-Dehydro-17a-methyltestosterone
III 9(11)-Dehydro-17a-methyltestosterone
III 1-Dehydrotestosterone
III 1-Dehydrotestosterone Acetate
III 1-Dehydrotestosterone Benzoate
III 1-Dehydrotestosterone Undecylenate
IV Delorazepam
II (-)-Deoxyephedrine HCl
II (+-)-Deoxyephedrine HCl
II (+-)-Deoxyephedrine-d5 HCl
IV Desmethyldiazepam
IV Desmethyldiazepam-d5
III 5,5-Diallylbarbituric Acid
IV Diazepam
IV Diazepam-d5
IV Diethylpropion HCl
I N,N-Diethyltryptamine
I (+-)-2,5-Dimethoxy-4-bromo-amphetamine HBr
I (+-)-2,5-Dimethoxy-4-methyl-amphetamine HCl
I N,N-Dimethyltryptamine
II Diphenoxylate HCl
II Ecgonine HCl
II Ecgonine-d3 HCl
II Ecgonine Methyl Ester HCl
II Ecgonine Methyl Ester-d3 HCl
IV Estazolam
IV Ethinamate
II Ethylmorphine
IV Fenfluramine HCl
IV (+)-Fenfluramine
IV Fenproporex HCl
II Fentanyl Citrate
II Fentanyl-d5 Citrate
IV Flunitrazepam
III Fluoxymesterone
IV Flurazepam Dihydrochloride
II DL-Glutethimide
III Hexobarbital
II Hydrocodone Bitartrate
II Hydromorphone HCl
III 11B-Hydroxytestosterone
I 11-Hydroxy-delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol
I Ibogaine HCl
III 11-Ketotestosterone
II Levorphanol Tartrate
IV (+-)-Lorazepam
IV Lormetazepam
III D-Lysergic Acid
IV Medazepam
II Meperidine HCl
IV Mephobarbital
IV Meprobamate
I Mescaline Hemisulfate
I Mescaline HCl
I Mescaline Sulfate
III Mesterolone
II (+)-Methadone HCl
II Methadone-d3 HCl
II (+)-Methamphetamine HCl
I Methaqualone Free Base
I Methaqualone HCl
I Methaqualone-d4
I p-Methoxyamphetamine HCl
III 17a-Methyl-5a-androstan-17B-ol-3-one
III 17a-Methyl-5-androstene-3B,17B-diol
III 17a-Methyl-5-androstene-3B,17B-diol Dipropionate
I (+-)-3,4-Methylenedioxyamphetamine HCl
I (+-)-3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine HCl
I a-Methylfentanyl
I 3-Methylfentanyl
II Methylphenidate HCl
III 17a-Methyltestosterone
III 17a-Methyltestosterone-d3
III Methyprylon
II Morphine Sulfate
II Morphine-d3 HCl
II Morphine-3-B-D-Glucuronide
II Morphine-6-B-D-Glucuronide
III Nalorphine HCl
IV Nitrazepam
II Norcodeine HCl
I Normorphine HCl
I 11-Nor-delta8-tetrahydrocannabinol-9-carboxylic Acid
I 11-Nor-delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol-9-carboxylic Acid
II Noroxymorphone
III 19-Nortestosterone
III 19-Nortestosterone Decanoate
III 19-Nortestosterone Glucuronide
III 19-Nortestosterone Phenylpropionate
III 19-Nortestosterone Propionate
II Opium Powder
IV Oxazepam
IV Oxazepam-d5
IV Oxazolam
II Oxycodone HCl
III Oxymetholone
II Oxymorphone
IV Paraldehyde
IV Pemoline
IV Pentazocine Free Base
IV Pentazocine HCl
II Pentabarbital
II Pentabarbital Sodium
II Phencyclidine HCl
II Phencyclidine-d5 HCl
III Phendimetrazine Bitartrate
IV Phenobarbital
IV Phenobarbital Sodium
IV Phentermine HCl
II Phenylacetone
IV Prazepam
II d-Propoxyphene HCl
II d-Propoxyphene-d7
I Psilocin
II Secobarbital
II Secobarbital Sodium
II Secobarbital-d8
III Stanozolol
III Stanozolol-d3
IV Temazepam
I Tenocyclidine
III Testosterone
III Testosterone-d3
III Testosterone Acetate
III Testosterone Benzoate
III Testosterone Cypionate
III Testosterone Enanthate
III Testosterone Glucuronide
III Testosterone Glucuronide Potassium
III Testosterone Glucuronide Sodium
III Testosterone Hemisuccinate
III Testosterone Phenylpropionate
III Testosterone Propionate
I delta8-Tetrahydrocannabinol
I delta9-Tetrahydrocannabinol
I delta9-Tetrahydrocannabinol-d3
II Thebaine Alkaloid Powder
III Thiamylal Sodium
III Thiopental
III (+-)-Thiopental Sodium
IV Triazolam
II Tropacocaine HCl


OTHER DEA CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES
Not classified, but reporting required by the DEA. When ordering
any of these items, please provide your written purchase order, your
acceptance of the administrative fee, the intended ultimate use, and the
signature of the end user.

4-Amino-2,2,6,6-tetramethylpiperidine
2-Ethylpiperidine
1-Ethylpiperidine
1-(2-Hydroxyethyl)piperidine
3-Hydroxymethyl-1-methylpiperidine
3-Hydroxy-N-methylpiperidine
1-Methylpiperidine
2-Methylpiperidine
3-Methylpiperidine
4-Methylpiperidine
3-Phenylacetylamino-2,6-piperidinedione
Piperidine
cis-2,3-Piperidinedicarboxylic Acid
cis-2,4-Piperidinedicarboxylic Acid
cis-2,5-Piperidinedicarboxylic Acid
cis-2,6-Piperidinedicarboxylic Acid
Piperidine-4-sulfonic Acid
2,2,6,6-Tetramethylpiperidine

SUBSTANCES NOT CONTROLLED BY THE DEA
These items are available without DEA license. Telephone and
telegraph orders are accepted. There is no administrative fee for
handling these items. They may be exported, provided the country of
destination does not control their importation, possession, or use.

N-Allylnormetazocine
p-Bromophenylethylamine
2-(p-Chlorophenyl)ethylamine
3,4-Dimethoxyphenylethylamine
p-Fluorophenylethylamine HCl
3-Hydroxy-4-methyl-a-ethylphenylethylamine HCl
3-Hydroxy-4-methoxyphenylethylamine HCl
5-Methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine
p-Methoxyphenylethylamine
3-Methoxytyramine HCl
N-Methyltryptamine
Pseudonarcotic Cocaine Formulation
Pseudonarcotic Heroin Formulation

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Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry,alt.drugs
From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 11:08:15 UTC
Subject: DEA bottom line


My anonymous pen pal asked me to post this for him.
-OliveOil

I have been reading with some interest the information concerning watched
chemicals on this Newsgroup for some time.

Wherever government oppression is concerned it is often impossible to cut
through the bullshit, because the rules will change on a case by case
basis...this is especially true in these times of mandatory FED sentences,
forced plea bargains, the repeal of the US Constitution by an outlaw FED
system without a whimper from the stupified flock of sheep who think this
is the land of the brave, home of the free. Increased private interest in
declaring war on the domestic population for profit in lieu of a commie
boogie man and the expansion of State and Fed concentration camp systems
put an even greater strain on the FEDs to violate their own rules, legal or
not, for conviction rates.

Despite this situation, can't the entire 'watched chemical' argument be
boiled down to a single fact? If you have to sign something and produce ID
when you are purchasing, then you've just been watched!

No matter what you Mail order, you take that chance unless you can manage
an [email protected], cuz they know where you are!

If you can walk into a Chem supply house, pay cash, walk out with what you
want, then you ain't been watched!

Now, it would seem that the trick to buying suspicious chemicals from a
distributer would be to order will call, fake name, stay below the
threshold amounts, walk in, pay cash, haul ass. If they ask you for ID,
tell them you're not interested in getting on any mailing lists, if they
insist,leave

My experience with these people is that if your money is green, they don't
give a fuck what you're doing with these chemicals, they are interested in
adhering to reporting guidelines to stay in business, they're in business
to sell chemicals.

I am assuming that staying under threshold amounts relieves the supplier of
his responsibility to ID you as a customer, and file a report. Therefore,
the only pertinant information in this discussion is simply, "Is there a
threshold amount connected to this chemical? If so, what is it?"

My simple approach to this problem has always been, don't mail order
anything, don't sign anything.

The volume of information on this subject in this Newsgroup would lead me
to think perhaps there is more to it than this, but if there is, I don't
see it.
If I'm missing something please reply.

Nevertheless, I am one of many who appreciates the efforts of the frequent
contributers to this group and the valuable information they provide.

Stay Free_POPEYE


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Yeah, but can you list all of them???
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Check Rhodium and the-hive.ws.
PB
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Yeah, but can you list all of them???

LOL!!

I suspect that after 911 they are watching more than they where back in the early 90's. They are probably watching EVERYTHING much more than they admit publicly.


Nice cat pic Sleestak.... Did't I know your from the land of the lost.. I am Chaka!! That was way back in 1974. 30 years ago... Man I feel so old!

Upload

I am not stoned, just home on lunch wishing I was stoned!
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Go to any university Library's chemistry departmetn and look in a sigma chemical catalogue or an Aldridge Chemical catalogue and they have a chapter on controlled drugs and then what is neat on the last part of that chapter they have a page which says, crugs not controlled buy the DEA.

Some interesting compounds can be found on those pages.

mj
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Even with all those chemicals being watched you could cause no end of trouble with some pretty common stuff.

Terrorists should really be glad that American civillians dont wage unrestricted warfare against THEM. Undergraduate Science majors could put together some pretty lethal devices, with items not on that list.
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That would be kinda funny... Terrorize the terrorists. lol
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archive material
my view is to assume
they are watching.

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WOW Roo, did you draw that pic of the Sleestak?? That's too funny. I took the picture of the cats in my first photo class. There are nine others but that is the only one with a pipe. They were already sitting like that, I just stuck the pipe in her hand
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is anything left not investigated?
I dig chicks that drag their knuckles
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WOW Roo, did you draw that pic of the Sleestak?? That's too funny. I took the picture of the cats in my first photo class. There are nine others but that is the only one with a pipe. They were already sitting like that, I just stuck the pipe in her hand

I have had a few pics from "The Land of the Lost" for years. I thought that show was cool.

LOL! My cats are wilder about weed than catnip. I have lost many good buds to my cats. They never seem to bother with swag, they like the good stuff. Seem to have a preference for Sativa. I have also lost chacruna to them, and a few times I have busted them chewing on mimosa bark. I hide it and they always find it, EVERYTHING!

Cats are cool, they seem to always be in some sort of altered state of mind anyway. What a life! Get stoned, eat and sleep all day.
"You have to go out of your mind to use your head"
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There are loads of chemicals that arent investigated that you could purchase. Would probably be best to buy in smaller quantities, or not buy certain items at once. The watch list will really only going to stop the hack chemists...good chemists could find ways around the list I'm sure.
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quote:

good chemists could find ways around the list I'm sure.



the abundance of former chemists
now in prison
belies that assertion.
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A good chemist?

I think a good chemist would spend years making small amounts of a substance for their personal use. Then, and only after years of perfecting the art, do they perform their "Opus". They make one massive batch. As it is their last batch it is very close to perfection. If it where acid, I would suspect they would do a liter. Then they would sell the liter in bulk to a well trusted friend, minus enough for a few thousand hits. Then they would never make it again and dispose of everything needed to create it.

Hippie is right. You will get busted sooner or later doing this. One would have the best luck actualy being a chemist. Then he could work very quietly and would not blow himself up. He would also have conections in order to obtain the materials needed without a paper trail. Just one time probably will not get you busted, LOL! The easy money will. Most people cant do the easy money thing just once.
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I was curious because I wanted to be able to draw up procedures using innocuous chemicals, to keep THEM out of trouble.

I never had any intention of actually manufacturing a drug, in part because the only drug I do these days can be grown. Aside from that, I intend to be a 'real chemist'. If youre good enough to make high quality illegal drugs, you could take a legitimate job and live very well; all legally too. I consider this the 'easy money' aspect lol!

In regards to my comment about 'good chemists' being able to circumvent the list, I meant that you could synthesize from more basic componants, that would not be watch listed. This would require more education than that of your average community college dropout making meth in a bathtub in his basment.
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Well, I know several synths of LSD and have studied the reactions extensively. If I had the right equipment, I feel I could perform the synth but that doesn't mean I could get a job in any chemistry field. I even know a source for the required chems but Roo's idea sounds much more like what I had in mind. I probably wouldn't have to perform the synth anyways because a friend I have been working with for several years knows a chemist who teaches organic chemistry at a nearby college. It is a lot harder then it sounds and the equipment needed for some of the processes is very expensive, so not only do you need chems and the knowledge but you need enough money to fund the thing(lab equipment, etc.) It takes a lot of planning and it is much easier to grow shrooms, cacti, or weed. MDMA and/or methamphetamines are much easier to make and the synths are pretty simple. Most of the glassware needed is fairly cheap and you can get by without everything(ie makeshift ghettoware), so I guess it depends on what you want to make.
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Fitch F. Fitch (Fitch)
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Post Number: 210
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 03:53 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, equipment is sometimes a luxury. People find ways though.

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