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Tehuti (Roo)
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 01:08 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nice pic anyway natura!
Here is what I found regarding Mimosa and maoi's.

http://www.melt2000.com/loudtruth/entheosphere/art icles/0024.html

Jonathan Ott seems to think that mimosa is is active without a MAOI also. The chemical in question is call kukusaginine. The is a small write up regarding this in the etheogen review, Vol VIII, No. 1. Not all MOAIs are b-carbolines, the one in question here is described as "morphine-like".

Here is another.. http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v06n3/06332ott.html

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Natura (Natura)
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hell, PB, YOU need tchek again, OTT publication & ayahuasca.com forum archivez. This is very basical knowledge bout jurema & We already have discussed many times bout it, haven't we ? AAAAAAAAHHHH !!!!

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Tehuti (Roo)
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 06:29 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hehe! I sense a fight coming!

Your avatar pic is cool Natura! I have always had a thing for mean woman with guns.

I will have make a brew with 20 grams of mimosa, drink it down with out anything else and see what happens... I will be the lab rat.


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quote:

Gelatin seems like it might work better.



hehe
'huasca jell-o shooters

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Tehuti (Roo)
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 06:43 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yea, that came to my mind after I posted that!! LOL!
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Home-brew supply stores sell gelatin and a carrageenan-based product for the purpose of "clearing" the beer. This product would be perfect for the aforementioned application.

Shaman
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quote:

I will have make a brew with 20 grams of mimosa, drink it down with out anything else and see what happens... I will be the lab rat.




I'm not sure of the dosing difference between ayahuasca type oral dosing and extraction/smoking dmt....but from one ounce of mimosa hostillis rootbark you can extract several doses of dmt to be smoked. Hehe I might look into this first before drinking 20gs worth...but ya never know. Just a heads up.
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 11:34 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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2. this pic is not from my own garden.
Tchek: http://releasethereality.com/tbl.html



awesome link, n+
just a friendly suggestion-
just a few lines of commentary
under each picture
explaining what we see
would improve the experience greatly.
those folks know how to brew!
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 11:35 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

archive material
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 11:37 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

Home-brew supply stores sell gelatin and a carrageenan-based product for the purpose of "clearing" the beer. This product would be perfect for the aforementioned application.




so we'd want to let this treated brew
sit awhile so the tannin precipitates
then we'd syphon the brew
off the dregs
and it should taste alot better
without losing potency, in theory
yes ?
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Tehuti (Roo)
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 12:27 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm not sure of the dosing difference between ayahuasca type oral dosing and extraction/smoking dmt....but from one ounce of mimosa hostillis rootbark you can extract several doses of dmt to be smoked. Hehe I might look into this first before drinking 20gs worth...but ya never know. Just a heads up.

I have done 20gs of mimosa with caapi before. It was split into 2 doses and the where done 1 hour apart. I know what 20 grams will do with caapi. I can use this experience as a reference in working with mimosa without caapi or rue. I always brew with between 20 and 30 grams mimosa/30 to 40 caapi or 4 or 5 grams of rue. I then split it into 2 or 3 doses. I think 20 grams is a good starting point without an MAOI. If that does not work I will up the dose to 25 or 30 and see what happens.

I have not noticed a wide variance in potency with mimosa. I have with viridis. I recently aquired some viridis as an early Valentines day present. I made it with the normal 30g dose and went OBE! One nuclear DMT wave after another! LOL! I like supprises! I have done 60g from another source and had 1 gram shroom type experience.

so we'd want to let this treated brew
sit awhile so the tannin precipitates
then we'd syphon the brew
off the dregs
and it should taste alot better
without losing potency, in theory
yes ?

Sounds like a good plan. If it gels I can eat it with a spoon. The DMT will be in solution so there will be little loss. It would not change the ph either so I do not think the DMT would go out of solution.

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Tehuti (Roo)
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 02:51 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is 350ml of mimosa extract. I added 35 ml of milk, and gave it a good 10 min ago.

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Tehuti (Roo)
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Now the two layers are separated in a 1:1 ratio. I will let it sit a overnight and see what happens. I did a taste test of the top layer and I can say that some of the tannins where removed. I would compare it to a cup of strong black tea now. Perhaps 1/2 as much as was there before. I will separate the layers tomorrow and give it the milk treatment again. There is enough for 3 good doses here. I suspect I will lose 1/3 of the mix doing 2 milk treatments.


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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 03:17 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you're keeping this refridgerated right ?
don't want that fermenting.
if it's anything like beer/wine,
it'll need to sit at least a few days to let the sludge form on the bottom.
with a little practive one can siphon the liquid off the dregs without losing more than a spoonful or two of the liquid,
a tall narrow vessel help decrease the surface area of the sludge so less is kicked up when its' decanted.
hence the shape of beer/wine bottles we see.
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 03:20 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

I would compare it to a cup of strong black tea now.



that sounds very promising.
great work in pioneering
what hopefully will be a better way.
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Tehuti (Roo)
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 04:00 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes it is in the fridge. I have a nice 100ml syringe and some IV tubing handy to suck off the good stuff. I suspect it will take at least 2 treatments. It might work better if it was done before the extraction was concentrated. Then one could boil down the good stuff.
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grimble g grumble (Grimblegrumble)
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 04:25 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow man! This is alot of info for my first time!
So it goes...
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 04:27 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

lol
you created a monster
with this thread,
it no longer serves you
but has a life of its' own.

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grimble g grumble (Grimblegrumble)
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 04:31 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thats cool, I decided to check out some cactus for now anyhow!
So it goes...
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Tehuti (Roo)
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 04:57 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry grimble g grumble,

I hope you got something good out of it!
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grimble g grumble (Grimblegrumble)
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 05:01 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Anytime Roo, anytime
It's all good!
So it goes...
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PBeester (Pissybee)
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 07:37 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So has anyone tried just mimosa and no MAOI, I want to know from someone who's done it. If you have Natura, then cool, but I just want to know how it compares. I just don't believe that DMT would work in one plant but not another unless, mimosa has some sort of MAOI built in, which I've never heard of. I mean, I'm not saying it's not possible, but I've read that the Natives that use only mimosa only do it for the ritual and they don't get the trip (part of society's drug use propaganda changing the native ways). Again, this is only what I've read and I'm not wasting the ingredients to try it if it isn't for sure going to work, so if anyone has done it and knows it works, and even some info on why would be better because then I don't have to worry about using it while on my methadone.
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Natura (Natura)
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 11:51 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh, this is good point, PB, Obiously, mimosahuasca (MHRB+MAOI) ll give you much intesive trip more than Jurema(only MHRB). Actually very differnt dream. DMT is active without MAOI except Jurema ritual (this is mistery indeed). I say "It Works", because you see the vision nd get high with Jurema, it'soft but YES. It's not like DMT smoking at all but enough "Entheogenik". I ve also tried OTT's original MHRB, & personally not really feel good with heavy dose of jurema. "Fresh" Root bark seems to be always best for cold extraction.
NATURE IS ALIVE.

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Tehuti (Roo)
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Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 04:03 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I did try an experiment with the Juruma today. I used it with no MAOI and there was an effect. It was somewhat milder, but I did notice a definite effect. I would suspect a dose 3 or 4 times what one would need with a MAOI would be needed to get a full blown effect. No one should take this for gospel because everyones body is different.

The milk experiment worked also. Not a compleat success with the boiled down mimosa extract. I suspect that it will work MUCH better with a non concentrated extract. I did reduce the tannins down to the point where I could chug it without gagging. I will try it another time with a large amount of non concentrated extract. I suspect that gelatin will work better.


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Natura (Natura)
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Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 10:52 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

very interesting, PLZ update for us !
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