   Tehuti (Roo) Senior Member Username: Roo Post Number: 654 Registered: 12-2003 |
Nice pic anyway natura! Here is what I found regarding Mimosa and maoi's. http://www.melt2000.com/loudtruth/entheosphere/art icles/0024.html Jonathan Ott seems to think that mimosa is is active without a MAOI also. The chemical in question is call kukusaginine. The is a small write up regarding this in the etheogen review, Vol VIII, No. 1. Not all MOAIs are b-carbolines, the one in question here is described as "morphine-like". Here is another.. http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v06n3/06332ott.html (Message edited by roo on February 13, 2004) "You have to go out of your mind to use your head" | ||
Natura (Natura) Senior Member Username: Natura Post Number: 298 Registered: 10-2002 |
hell, PB, YOU need tchek again, OTT publication & ayahuasca.com forum archivez. This is very basical knowledge bout jurema & We already have discussed many times bout it, haven't we ? AAAAAAAAHHHH !!!! (Message edited by natura on February 13, 2004) N+ | ||
Tehuti (Roo) Senior Member Username: Roo Post Number: 656 Registered: 12-2003 |
hehe! I sense a fight coming! Your avatar pic is cool Natura! I have always had a thing for mean woman with guns.  I will have make a brew with 20 grams of mimosa, drink it down with out anything else and see what happens... I will be the lab rat. "You have to go out of your mind to use your head" | ||
Hippie3 (Admin) Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 13166 Registered: 02-2001 |
hehe 'huasca jell-o shooters   | ||
Tehuti (Roo) Senior Member Username: Roo Post Number: 658 Registered: 12-2003 |
Yea, that came to my mind after I posted that!! LOL! "You have to go out of your mind to use your head" | ||
Underground_Shaman (Shaman) Senior Member Username: Shaman Post Number: 139 Registered: 12-2001 |
Home-brew supply stores sell gelatin and a carrageenan-based product for the purpose of "clearing" the beer. This product would be perfect for the aforementioned application.  Shaman ...once in awhile you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right... | ||
I_am_me (I_am_me) Senior Member Username: I_am_me Post Number: 639 Registered: 10-2003 |
I'm not sure of the dosing difference between ayahuasca type oral dosing and extraction/smoking dmt....but from one ounce of mimosa hostillis rootbark you can extract several doses of dmt to be smoked. Hehe I might look into this first before drinking 20gs worth...but ya never know. Just a heads up. Green is the colour of her kind. -Pink Floyd | ||
Hippie3 (Admin) Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 13172 Registered: 02-2001 |
awesome link, n+ just a friendly suggestion- just a few lines of commentary under each picture explaining what we see would improve the experience greatly. those folks know how to brew! | ||
Hippie3 (Admin) Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 13173 Registered: 02-2001 |
archive material | ||
Hippie3 (Admin) Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 13174 Registered: 02-2001 |
so we'd want to let this treated brew sit awhile so the tannin precipitates then we'd syphon the brew off the dregs and it should taste alot better without losing potency, in theory yes ? | ||
Tehuti (Roo) Senior Member Username: Roo Post Number: 660 Registered: 12-2003 |
I'm not sure of the dosing difference between ayahuasca type oral dosing and extraction/smoking dmt....but from one ounce of mimosa hostillis rootbark you can extract several doses of dmt to be smoked. Hehe I might look into this first before drinking 20gs worth...but ya never know. Just a heads up. I have done 20gs of mimosa with caapi before. It was split into 2 doses and the where done 1 hour apart. I know what 20 grams will do with caapi. I can use this experience as a reference in working with mimosa without caapi or rue. I always brew with between 20 and 30 grams mimosa/30 to 40 caapi or 4 or 5 grams of rue. I then split it into 2 or 3 doses. I think 20 grams is a good starting point without an MAOI. If that does not work I will up the dose to 25 or 30 and see what happens. I have not noticed a wide variance in potency with mimosa. I have with viridis. I recently aquired some viridis as an early Valentines day present. I made it with the normal 30g dose and went OBE! One nuclear DMT wave after another! LOL! I like supprises! I have done 60g from another source and had 1 gram shroom type experience. so we'd want to let this treated brew sit awhile so the tannin precipitates then we'd syphon the brew off the dregs and it should taste alot better without losing potency, in theory yes ? Sounds like a good plan. If it gels I can eat it with a spoon. The DMT will be in solution so there will be little loss. It would not change the ph either so I do not think the DMT would go out of solution. "You have to go out of your mind to use your head" | ||
Tehuti (Roo) Senior Member Username: Roo Post Number: 661 Registered: 12-2003 |
Here is 350ml of mimosa extract. I added 35 ml of milk, and gave it a good 10 min ago.  "You have to go out of your mind to use your head" | ||
Tehuti (Roo) Senior Member Username: Roo Post Number: 662 Registered: 12-2003 |
Now the two layers are separated in a 1:1 ratio. I will let it sit a overnight and see what happens. I did a taste test of the top layer and I can say that some of the tannins where removed. I would compare it to a cup of strong black tea now. Perhaps 1/2 as much as was there before. I will separate the layers tomorrow and give it the milk treatment again. There is enough for 3 good doses here. I suspect I will lose 1/3 of the mix doing 2 milk treatments. "You have to go out of your mind to use your head" | ||
Hippie3 (Admin) Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 13212 Registered: 02-2001 |
you're keeping this refridgerated right ? don't want that fermenting. if it's anything like beer/wine, it'll need to sit at least a few days to let the sludge form on the bottom. with a little practive one can siphon the liquid off the dregs without losing more than a spoonful or two of the liquid, a tall narrow vessel help decrease the surface area of the sludge so less is kicked up when its' decanted. hence the shape of beer/wine bottles we see. | ||
Hippie3 (Admin) Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 13213 Registered: 02-2001 |
that sounds very promising. great work in pioneering what hopefully will be a better way. | ||
Tehuti (Roo) Senior Member Username: Roo Post Number: 665 Registered: 12-2003 |
Yes it is in the fridge. I have a nice 100ml syringe and some IV tubing handy to suck off the good stuff. I suspect it will take at least 2 treatments. It might work better if it was done before the extraction was concentrated. Then one could boil down the good stuff. "You have to go out of your mind to use your head" | ||
grimble g grumble (Grimblegrumble) Senior Member Username: Grimblegrumble Post Number: 130 Registered: 12-2003 |
Wow man! This is alot of info for my first time! So it goes... | ||
Hippie3 (Admin) Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 13231 Registered: 02-2001 |
lol you created a monster with this thread, it no longer serves you but has a life of its' own.  | ||
grimble g grumble (Grimblegrumble) Senior Member Username: Grimblegrumble Post Number: 131 Registered: 12-2003 |
Thats cool, I decided to check out some cactus for now anyhow! So it goes... | ||
Tehuti (Roo) Senior Member Username: Roo Post Number: 667 Registered: 12-2003 |
Sorry grimble g grumble, I hope you got something good out of it! "You have to go out of your mind to use your head" | ||
grimble g grumble (Grimblegrumble) Senior Member Username: Grimblegrumble Post Number: 133 Registered: 12-2003 |
Anytime Roo, anytime  It's all good! So it goes... | ||
PBeester (Pissybee) Senior Member Username: Pissybee Post Number: 522 Registered: 12-2002 |
So has anyone tried just mimosa and no MAOI, I want to know from someone who's done it. If you have Natura, then cool, but I just want to know how it compares. I just don't believe that DMT would work in one plant but not another unless, mimosa has some sort of MAOI built in, which I've never heard of. I mean, I'm not saying it's not possible, but I've read that the Natives that use only mimosa only do it for the ritual and they don't get the trip (part of society's drug use propaganda changing the native ways). Again, this is only what I've read and I'm not wasting the ingredients to try it if it isn't for sure going to work, so if anyone has done it and knows it works, and even some info on why would be better because then I don't have to worry about using it while on my methadone. PB | ||
Natura (Natura) Senior Member Username: Natura Post Number: 299 Registered: 10-2002 |
Oh, this is good point, PB, Obiously, mimosahuasca (MHRB+MAOI) ll give you much intesive trip more than Jurema(only MHRB). Actually very differnt dream. DMT is active without MAOI except Jurema ritual (this is mistery indeed). I say "It Works", because you see the vision nd get high with Jurema, it'soft but YES. It's not like DMT smoking at all but enough "Entheogenik". I ve also tried OTT's original MHRB, & personally not really feel good with heavy dose of jurema. "Fresh" Root bark seems to be always best for cold extraction. NATURE IS ALIVE. (Message edited by natura on February 14, 2004) N+ | ||
Tehuti (Roo) Senior Member Username: Roo Post Number: 673 Registered: 12-2003 |
I did try an experiment with the Juruma today. I used it with no MAOI and there was an effect. It was somewhat milder, but I did notice a definite effect. I would suspect a dose 3 or 4 times what one would need with a MAOI would be needed to get a full blown effect. No one should take this for gospel because everyones body is different. The milk experiment worked also. Not a compleat success with the boiled down mimosa extract. I suspect that it will work MUCH better with a non concentrated extract. I did reduce the tannins down to the point where I could chug it without gagging. I will try it another time with a large amount of non concentrated extract. I suspect that gelatin will work better. "You have to go out of your mind to use your head" | ||
Natura (Natura) Senior Member Username: Natura Post Number: 300 Registered: 10-2002 |
very interesting, PLZ update for us ! N+ |
