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DukeX (Dukex)
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Great Post ROO, I love the elf stories.

Peace...
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grimble g grumble (Grimblegrumble)
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Do you think there is a cross tolerance between mushroom and ayahuaska? I'm just asking if a person did 4grms of dry shrooms one night then a moderate dose of ayahuaska the next would it work.

(Message edited by grimblegrumble on March 07, 2004)
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proly some cross-tolerance yes,
better to wait a few extra days
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grimble g grumble (Grimblegrumble)
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I had a truly beautiful experience tonight
I now begin to understand what this is all about
I feel so cleansed, so pure, so good
I love you all and am truly thankful

So it goes...
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Roo: "The "head" type image in the lower part of the pic is very close to the elves I have seen."

Ummm...where is it?

Never done it before, but everything I hear has me really psyched to try it...if I ever come across it, or decide to make an extraction someday....it's not that hard to do, is it?

What plant material is better, Mimosa, Phalaris? And about how long from pulverizing the stuff and starting the extraction to crystals in my Pyrex?

If I owned my own home, I'd have my whole lawn dug up and replaced with phalaris....if what I hear about it being passable for lawn grass is true!

EDIT: We love you too, Grimble!

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quote:

I had a truly beautiful experience tonight
I now begin to understand what this is all about
I feel so cleansed, so pure, so good
I love you all and am truly thankful




Grimble I'm glad you got to have a nice time tonight. :-) I was unable to brew as planned due to some things coming up this weekend but the time will come.

As far as DMT type cross tolerance....I read a scientific study which talked about DMT tolerance. It stated that LSD, mushrooms and mescaline all had a cross tolerance but DMT did not. If you smoke DMT you have to smoke all you can in 30 seconds and then after that you have to wait up to an hour or so after you come down to smoke again to be able to get high. DMT does not build up a significant tolerance. They made a guy smoke DMT 4 times a day for 28 days straight and he did not build up any notable tolerance.


I bet he felt wierd after that experiement.
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Myco Elexus: I think the easiest plant to use is Mimosa Hostiles; I'd estimate the procedure to be around 3 weeks, less steps and predictable results. However if you make a large batch up and use the first pass through you can be finished in 2-5 days.
Phalaris or Canary grass strives along irrigation ditches and has high concentrations of 5-meo-dmt in shaded areas with high nitrogen levels.

I'd try something other than a crock pot, something that can really boil you're liquid, many people heat their brews using all sorts of methods, just make sure you do not burn or caramelize the brew.
Roo: You're descriptions pics, "high-frequency"(or static, hissing??), sound just like what I'd expect, and yet something one cannot imagine. Does music lighten the trip at all?
I've tripped very hard and wondered if I was going to come back down, would you guess this is possible?
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mycos eleusis (Exshroomer)
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Ah, I was actually wondering about the process for making just freebase DMT, using the whole chem extraction method, and the time-frame behind that.

A few months back, I described something I do to make a pop in the small of my back which produces an Out-Of-Body experience for about a minute...I wonder how similar the DMT is. I get a similar sound, along with pressure in the temples, everything turning to white light/a mass of energy as if I could see the molecular vibration of everything....So I think that I could prolly handle DMT...I know very well the feeling of just being shot past the stratosphere into someplace alien and back to earth in under a minute!
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Congradulations Grimble ! Glad everything went good.
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one love, people.
feel it.


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Alright, here are the details from last night
I performed the final reduction during the late afternoon to evening hours. I ate only half a bagel all day and drank only some water. Around 8pm I was ready to partake. The brew had been reduced to 300ml per dose as it had taken a long time and I didn't really mind drinking the extra liquid. So I sipped the the brew down over the course of about 40 minutes of so then sat back and waited. I had candles lit and a disk of icaros playing on repeat. Well, after over an hour since i had started drinking the brew i could feel something, but not what I was looking for. That's when I thought about the fact that I had done some shrooms the night before. I made the post about cross tolerance above and decided to drink some of the second dose. I drank about 100ml more then thought this is a waste, I probably will not feel full effects due to the night before. I was feeling slightly strange, more contemplative, and the icaros sounded good, but not what I had read about an effective dose being. So I wrote the whole thing off and decided to take a bath, that way i was near the toilet as I was feeling a bit nauseous. I drew a bath and got in. I was thinking about how elusive the ayahuaska is and how i might have made a mistake somewhere in my brewing or should have waited a few days after taking mushrooms. Then the first of the purging began. No, it wasn't puking, but the other as i had held this stuff down for a long time. I had to jump out of the tub soaking wet and get to the toilet. During this time I looked at the wall paper and noticed it flowing in a swirling kind of way. I didn't think much of it then as I was "busy". I got back in the tub and tried to relax closing my eyes, but I had another attack of purging. When that was over I got in the tub again. then i got terribly nauseous and decided to get out of the tub for good and get this over with. I doubled over the toilet and looked in the water but couldn't puke. Then all of a sudden, I realized I had been staring at the water for quite awhile and that I was tripping and had been for a while. I didn't puke, but stood up and realized I was a bit unsteady on my feet. Actually quite a bit. I staggered my way to the bedroom and collapsed with my face in the blankets. I then had the most amazingly beautiful, close eyed visions. Kind of like Roo's art work up there. I never knew such amazing colors existed especially shades of red and orange and reddish-orange. I cannot say how long this went on because at some point I lifted my head out of the bed and was completely surprised and confused that I was laying face down in the bed??? I had lost all sense of myself. I put my head back down, going back for more. This time it was more difficult to lose myself because I was aware of myself again, if that makes sense. Anyhow all this was interupted again by the very urgent need to purge again...and again...and...again. I still hadn't puked at this point, but then it came, and it was hardcore. During which I was wondering why I had done this to myself. At the end of this I had collapsed into a pile on the bathroom floor. I then knew that all the purging was over, I was clean! I stood up very shakily and unsteady, but I felt absolutely amazing. I went to the living room, where the icaros were playing and the candles were lit, and laid down on the couch. I was having nice mild visuals and I felt sooo pure and sooo good. I cannot ever recall feeling so good like that in my life. I started to think about the people in my life and how beautiful they were in their own way. I felt in love with everything and totally at peace. Even though I couldn't understand the language that the icaros were sung in, they just seemed right and made sense. I felt so blessed and so thankful for everything and especially for the experience I was having. eventually I got up off the counch and began to drink some water and eat alittle food as I felt so weak but good. I almost didn't want to eat because I felt so pure that I didn't want to taint myself again. I thought about all the nasty shit that we americans eat and how I should really work on improving my diet. Then I made the post up above. I then went on a very short walk. Anyhow, by 2am I felt pretty drained but very good and went to bed. I still have a good sense of well being. Some people may not have liked the experience i had due to all the purging, but to me i know i needed that.The incredible feelings of well being and pureness are worth it I say. Every one should try this at least once. Even though i'm not going to jump right away to do it again, I do look forward to my next experience with ayahuaska! Thank you all for you help, your the best!

(Message edited by grimblegrumble on March 07, 2004)
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DukeX (Dukex)
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Thanks for sharing...

Peace...
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quote:

I stood up very shakily and unsteady, but I felt absolutely amazing. I went to the living room, where the icaros were playing and the candles were lit, and laid down on the couch. I was having nice mild visuals and I felt sooo pure and sooo good. I cannot ever recall feeling so good like that in my life. I started to think about the people in my life and how beautiful they were in their own way. I felt in love with everything and totally at peace.



and that, my friend,
is what this is all about.

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Tehuti (Roo)
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You are right, not everyone is looking for the Aya experience. Its not for everyone. The purge was not anything like you thought it would be I suspect. It is something to be experienced to be understood. The more you try not to purge, the worse it is in my experience. It is a deep purging. Deep, very deep.

Aya has helped me deal with alot of bullshit in my life. Years ago I did it a few times. But in the past year I have been doing it at least once a month. I have stoped drinking alcohol all together. Drinking was a problem for me a few years ago but now I have no reason to drink, nor desire. In fact I tried to drink a beer last week and it made me sick.

I know the feeling of "what have I done to myself.." when taking the brew. I somehow turned that statement around and asked myself what I have done to myself in the past; with my anger and silly hangups. With my anxiety and depression also. I lost a son years ago and over the years it changed me and my wife to the point where we where better off not married. I became more spiritual and she became less. I lived many years think it was my fault. Even after the divorce.

I blamed myself for everything and my life stood still. It is not that the yage took my pain away. It showed me the true source of my pain. It was me. The answer and the cure was between my ears. I was holding in my impurities and accepting them as part of my being. The first time I experienced a deep purge after trying to keep it down I realized what kind of crap I was holding onto in my life and I let it go. Why punish myself for things I really had no control over and why live in the past trying to fix things that are already fixed.

It is a strange brew. If I compare the experiance to shrooms it seems very simular. To me it seem more serious, very serious. TO me the spirit of the shroom is less serious, more of a joker/teacher, but still very much worth the experiance. Yage seems more like a mature, old teacher/healer. It digs much deeper into the mind/soul. Its purpose is not to entertain but rather to heal.

Yaga is not a "hedenistic" thing. I respect it and it respects me. Great report and I am glad that someone else understands the experiance for what it is. The part about changing ones diet rings true with me also. It told me that also. No more fast food etc.
"You have to go out of your mind to use your head"
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grimble g grumble (Grimblegrumble)
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Wow Roo, all of what you just said really made complete sense to me. No, Ayahuaska definately isn't a recreational drug, but that isn't what I am looking for, there are plenty of those out there. It was a truly spiritual experience I had and very cleansing and healing. I too have been carrying around so much shit. Within the last year I also have quit drinking as i can trace most of my past problems back to it. I too have recently gotten over a fairly serious cocaine problem. I might have stopped using them, but I certainly hadn't really let go of all the baggage that came along with them. After the cleansing of Yage, for the first since I can remember I felt at peace with myself. I think i found in Yage something I have been looking for for a long time. This is only the beginning of a new path for me and yage provides some much needed guidance.
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quote:

true source of my pain. It was me. The answer and the cure was between my ears.



how very true.
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grimble g grumble (Grimblegrumble)
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So I've decided ayahuaska is for me. Now, on with the questions.
I had thought earlier that I might try Syrian Rue and Mimosa next. But now I'm not so sure. I know this has been asked before, but here goes. What differences are there in the quality of the experience from caapi and chacruna? Is it as positive of an experience?
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since each experience is unique
both in quality and the individual,
that's a very hard question to answer with any precision.
long story short-
most agree that rue is a bit harder on the body
than caapi.
plus one can use alot more caapi than can use rue,
which pretty much maxs out at 4-5 grams.
the extra caapi adds alot to the differences.

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grimble g grumble (Grimblegrumble)
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I know what your saying, even as I was typing the question I figured the answer would be that I would have to try it out for myself. nothing like being redundant...
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I'm going to throw my 2 cents in, just for reading.

I've tried Mimosa H. & Cappi, wasn't all together bad, but it's only been one time on a low dosage.

Shroomhuasca Cappi shrooms 2.5 and up is very visual in the beginning(not as intense as Ayahuasca, but for a longer period), and racy in the end for me. The Vine really seems to amplify the ups and down, I notice the ramping and anxiety is greater for me on shrooms. Ingesting Pot and cappi seems to intensify certain effects as well.

When I first started drinking ayahuasca it tasted so-so and I could digest it on low dosages, repeatedly drinking a cup every 1.5-2 hours about 3-5 cups total. Then the purging started, and I got rather weary of the taste and the once in a while purging but no trip.
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hmm, done rue+shrooms but never caapi,
sounds intriguing.
how much caapi did you use ?
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Blood (Blodwen_1)
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I find Ayahuasca's hallucinogenic properties to be calm, with incredible visuals, white light, illuminating light, and cloudy, by the third cup
I have intense undescrible visuals.

Shroomhuasca at a 2.3 g dose and up to a 4 g of shrooms 30g-35g's of cappi gives me very psychedelic visuals and patterns for the first couple hours, a tad Walter Mitty for the due to the waviness of the shrooms here and there. There were a few moments when I worried I wasn't coming back, the last couple hours are a tad of anxiety and laughter.
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When I first started drinking ayahuasca it tasted so-so and I could digest it on low dosages, repeatedly drinking a cup every 1.5-2 hours about 3-5 cups total. Then the purging started, and I got rather weary of the taste and the once in a while purging but no trip.

It has taken me months to get past the purging in order to drink a good working dose. Months of weekly use. One has to maintain a proper diet free of the "heavy" food that is common here. No big macs etc. I have found a diet consisting of fresh fish, fruits and vegetables to be best. My usual brew for a nights work is 80g cappi and 80g chacruna divided into 2 doses taken 3 hours apart. If I am using mimosa I use 40g with 80 caapi, if I have no caapi I find I can get by with as little as 3 or 4 g Rue. I am finding that I can get by on less rue than I originally thought and that more does not help the experience. 3 grams works very well if I have followed the diet.

I am also finding out that it is very important to maintain strict standards on how I brew. I always use the same amount of cappi, rootbark or leaf. I ALWAYS try to reduce the brew down to the same volume every time. I aim for 200ml for a double dose like this. If it comes out to be 190 I will add 10 more ml of DH20 to make it right.

grimble g grumble,

If you have not found it already check out this page. http://www.biopark.org/ayahuasca.html It contains much good info if you follow all the links.
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grimble g grumble (Grimblegrumble)
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Thank you Roo,
I appreciate that
It is a fine link
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Tehuti (Roo)
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Someone just gave me this one: http://tengai.co.uk/usko-ayar/gallery_video.html

I have not checked it out yet but it looks interesting.
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None but ourselves can free our minds ...
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some cool artworks there, too.
thx
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Yeah I liked a lot of the artwork too. :-)
Green is the colour of her kind.

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