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Soliver (Soliver)
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Post Number: 705
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 03:04 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just cropped my remaining 4 jars of Mexicana A stones,
grown out in corn in 1/2 pint wide mouths with tyvek / tape lids.
Got the spores here at the Mycotopia Midsummer Madness '03
and innoculated as soon as I got 'em - I think it was July or so:

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The largest stone weighs 7grams and it will dry to about
4 grams (they're VERY solid!) and the
smaller ones weigh around 3-4 grams and will dry to 2-3 grams each.

All the hype about philosophers stones being 3x as
potent as shrooms hasn't held true for me, but that's Ok,
cause they were fun to grow and watch.

The high is similar yet different to shrooms -
more research will be conducted in this area in
3.5 weeks (vacation coming up)

I thought it would be fun to make my wife a bracelet
or necklace out of some of the dried stones - they're
quite beautiful after being rubbed gently with some
000 steel wool - like rich walnut or mahogony (sp?)

Sorta like the candy necklace except more tasteful in appearance
and hallucinogenic . . . hmmmm . . .

Very forgiving species to grow. The jars have been
slowly drying out for months... I've been meaning
to harvest them, but they ask for so little and
don't seem any worse for wear for the sitting.

These were innoculated . . . about nine months ago!

Too bad the spores are so damned expensive or else
I think a lot of folks would be able to enjoy growing these.
They're quite nice to look at up-close, wish I had
a nice macro lens,
and the life cycle is most unique.

I had some that grew on the jar, separate from the
substrate, that were fed by hundreds of mycelial
threads. The largest of those stones was four grams . .

I wouldn't suggest tyvek if you're thinking about growing these - it lets the grain dry too fast.

These were rinsed & towel dried before photographing, in case you were wondering
why they look so damn nice . . .

really neat stuff here, and did I mention it's
hallucinogenic too?

:-)

Soliver
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grimble g grumble (Grimblegrumble)
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Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 03:59 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Very Nice Soliver! I must try those someday.
So it goes...
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faht (Fahtphish)
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Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 07:01 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

nice!! good to see someone growing these eh. :-)

fahtster
says: hello :-)
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Sweetness (Sweetness)
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Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 07:29 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Right on Sol!
*And without a thought of the consequence
I gave in to my decadence* Pink Floyd
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quote:

I wouldn't suggest tyvek if you're thinking about growing these - it lets the grain dry too fast.



what WOULD you suggest, then ?
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Smerd (Smerd)
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Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 01:01 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sweet - I gotta try those someday. Do they taste like peanut brittle?

(Message edited by smerd on March 11, 2004)
Have fun, take care.
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rodger rabbit (Skyypilot)
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Very nice. I hope mine work out too. Still Waiting for germination.
"I feel rowdy and I don't know why. . .Excuse me while I kiss the sky". . .jimi hendrix
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Soliver (Soliver)
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The only thing I've used thus far is Tyvek, on the
12 jars I did up many moons ago, so I'm not an expert by
any means.

All the same, any kind of lid that retains more moisture would be better.
Next time I'll probably do them with a normal 1/2 pint grain
jar, both lids, a 1/4 inch hole drilled into the
top and double layers of tyvek underneath.

These jars I did had JUST tyvek, no metal at all.

I came home from work today and saw the stones sitting on a peice of paper towel on the counter,
drying, and I couldn't resist a taste.

I measured up a 3gram chunk, broke it in half,
and then ate both halves...

so much for discretion. That was about 12 minutes
ago and the stuff on my computer table is already
becoming warped,
the screen is beginning to breathe, and I'm feeling
awfully tingly . . .

While chewing, I thought the alkaloid taste was a
bit stronger than usual.
Of course, I've never eaten more than 2 grams, and
those nuggets weren't as aged...

I think I may be in for an interesting afternoon.
Glad the sun came out today :-)

off to the showers,

Soliver
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I_am_me (I_am_me)
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Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 09:35 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Have fun. :-)
Green is the colour of her kind.

-Pink Floyd
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Suckerfree (Suckerfree)
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quote:

I wouldn't suggest tyvek if you're thinking about growing these - it lets the grain dry too fast.




I wonder how polyfil will do, that's what I'm going to use.
Wow Soliver that looks like a lot of stones from 4 1/2 pint jars... I hope quarts do wonders.
"Tell me and I'll forget. Show me and I'll remember. Involve me and I'll understand."
- Confucius
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- - - - - (Redstorm)
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Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 09:50 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So how was the trip Sol? I'm really looking forward to this summer, so I can pick up some of these spores. I think I'll knock up a bunch of qt. jars and let 'em sit.
~Peace

"Pick battles big enough to matter, small enough to win." -Jonathan Kozol
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Soliver (Soliver)
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Posted on Friday, March 12, 2004 - 09:25 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow -

That was one for the books.

All that crap I said up there about the potency
of these being over-rated . . .

Nix that. As the popular lore (not lore at all it seems)
says, the older the stone, the more potent.

I chewed up 3g (wet weight) and had a trip to rival
any shroom trip I've ever had.
Honestly, I think I may grow shrooms as a hobby from now
on, or move on to pure edibles and just grow these
for trip purposes.

They don't taste as nasty as shrooms IMO (my wife disagrees, but
then she never has had any issues with shroom taste)
and there was NO stomach upset whatsoever, which
for me is an important issue.

I like to eat my stuff and walk around in the woods,
sorta marrs the trip if you have to squat behind
a vine and evacuate the 'ol bowels and wipe with
squirming vegetation!

Like most trips it was hard to explain, and who wants to hear a
(dull in the telling) trip story anyway, but these
are HIGHLY reccomended.

The main difference both I and my wife noticed is that
the buzz on these stones is much more social -
my wife came home and we talked for over an hour
before I finally told her I was dosed out of my
gourd. She didn't believe me for awhile, as she can
always tell when I've been dabbling in the closet fruit :-)

After 3.5 hours, the trip was OVER. Completely done with.
If it weren't for the beer I had been drinking,
I couldv'e driven across the state.
I was in bed by 9:30pm and slept like a log, woke
normally at 5:30 and went to work at the normal time,
no funny post-trip side effects, nada.

Finally a dose I can take on a work-nite!

Hell, I may go take some more, now that I'm thinking about
it - the sun is still shining and it's FRIDAY!

PS - I weighed those stones - they came to a total
of 105 grams on a friend's scale. They're still
a bit chewy. I think I'll store 'em that way as they get
very hard (like stones) when dried - hard to chew.
I have many, many doses in that bag. My wife had
1 gram and went into orbit last night - my 3 grams
took me for a ride that put me on the floor for about
30-45 minutes (I think),
but after the initial peak I was completely sociable.

Mmmmm.... stones....

:-)

soliver
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I_am_me (I_am_me)
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Posted on Friday, March 12, 2004 - 09:38 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Very good to hear Soliver. Glad you had a nice time...I'll get to eat some soon in Amsterdam...you've made me want em even more! :-)
Green is the colour of her kind.

-Pink Floyd
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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Posted on Friday, March 12, 2004 - 11:06 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

sounds pretty good,
i think we can say the pcorn
isn't as bad of a choice
for sclerotia
as some seemed to think.
archive material
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rodger rabbit (Skyypilot)
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I'm amazed the popcorn didn't contaminate during that long period. How long did you pc if for? I think I'll try a few quarts of popcorn, rye berries, and rye grass seed. All hydrated with coffee of course. Ya got me all worked up now!!
"I feel rowdy and I don't know why. . .Excuse me while I kiss the sky". . .jimi hendrix
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pj (Pcsillypj)
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Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 03:32 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

where can i find good mexicana a. spore syringes?

"I hear colors and see sounds"
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Soliver (Soliver)
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Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 02:50 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rodg:

I pc'd the popcorn for an hour - it's in widemouth
pint jars, no metal lid just the metal band and a
layer of tyvek. I put some clear plastic tape over
the lid (but not over all of it) to close off some
of the air exchange, although I wouldn't suggest
anyone try that again, as the top 1/2 of the popcorn
dried out eventually. I think my yeild would have
been larger had I used a different lid style
(lid and learn :-) )

I put 3/4 inch of peat on the bottom of the jars
(I don't remember why - maybe I was out of verm)
then I filled them with hydrated popcorn, PC'd an
hour, innoc'd, incubated... They took forever to
show any signs of growth - I was ready to toss 'em
out but then they took off.

Hip - do you recall who donated the syringes for
these guys for last year's midsummer madness?
I feel I should give a shout to the sponsor that
made this possible as well as to the 'topia :-)

Went to a B-day party last night with a sack of stones-
a good time had by all, including many who tried some
just because they weren't mushrooms (?) and the general
consensus is that these are very much like - yet at
the same time dissimilar to - mushrooms.

I didn't notice any lower tolerance the 2nd night,
but then I usually don't until round three (who has time for round three anyway?)

My dream project is to fill an aquarium with packed
straw that has been spawned with Mex A corn, or find
some other bulk substrate / growing method...
If I can find a way to cheaply propagate these things,
I don't think I'll ever go back to messing with
shrooms.

Because of their density and relative potency per morsel,
Mexicana A. seems to combine all the convenience of an invitro tek
with the yeilds of a terrarium setup.
The only downside for some growers will be the time frame, but more experimentation with substrates,
optimum growing temps, etc., just may turn this into a maximum 3 month turnaround...

I still have 3.5 cc's of the syringe I used to innoc
these jars. Hopefully it's still good, otherwise I'll have
to invest in another syringe somewhere.

I'd also like to get these things to fruit next
go-round so more of us can enjoy this fascinating
life form.

Right now, I think most folks shy away from the $30.00
price tag we usually see for a syringe, and I've
never seen any Mex A prints for sale.

When my life slows down this summer I hope to get
into some agar work. I'm looking into buying a dust
collection device for my woodshop, which is essentially
a squirrel cage blower attached to bags and hoses.
I think I can rig up a combo dust collection / flow
hood device, which would be sweet - kill two birds and get stoned, etc.

One agar dish would keep you in stones for a long,
long time.

Thanks mycotopia,

:-)

Soliver
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Astro (Astrocreep)
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great work on this Soliver
diffenitly a great read threw this thread
i have yet to grow a stone forming species
but all in good time, this thread has provoked thought in my head
Only time will tell...
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rodger rabbit (Skyypilot)
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Did you try busting any of them out earlier? I was reading TMC yesterday, and it seems Stamets was harvesting stones of mexicana after 8 weeks or so. That was on rye grass seed. I'm thinking(hoping) the coffee might speed even that up a bit.
"I feel rowdy and I don't know why. . .Excuse me while I kiss the sky". . .jimi hendrix
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Soliver (Soliver)
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Yeppers - it's in the archive here:

http://archives.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/93134.h tml

(don't know how to do them fancy schmancy links)

I could have harvested some stones after a few months, but
I'm glad I didn't . . . they got slightly bigger
over time and MUCH more potent.
The stones I harvested in the above thread were
much weaker than the ones I have now... go figure.

I'm curious to see how your coffee experiment pans
out - have your spores taken off on the agar yet?

Do you think I could successfully clone a large
stone Rog? Maybe take a big stone, break it in half,
and dig out some flesh, chop it up fine, and shoot
it into a new corn jar?

Hmmm. . . maybe I can get out of ordering more
spores just yet!

:-)

soliver
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quote:

where can i find good mexicana a. spore syringes?



Hip - do you recall who donated the syringes for
these guys for last year's midsummer madness?
I feel I should give a shout to the sponsor that
made this possible as well as to the 'topia

the syringes were donated by
www.sporeworks.com

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Hippie3 (Admin)
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quote:

Do you think I could successfully clone a large
stone Rog? Maybe take a big stone, break it in half,
and dig out some flesh, chop it up fine, and shoot
it into a new corn jar?



you can do that.

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Soliver (Soliver)
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Props to sporeworks!

They also DO have prints for sale, a bit pricey
for a print ($38.00) and the syringes are $28.00 -
I'll have to order a print if my old spores or
my cloning experiment doesn't work . . .

http://www.sporeworks.com/mexicana-sclerotia.html




Thanks all,

Sol
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michael motorcycle (Augustwest)
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man...i must be behind the times. i have no idea what those things are. ive never heard of them or seen them and i thought id been around the hallucinogenic block a few times...very interesting. are they legal? and what are they grown form? crazy. im very interested...
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quote:

are they legal?



depends on where one is.
but if you mean in the US
then the answer is no.
i believe the ones seen above were grown on popcorn.