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Hippie3 (Admin)
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Popcorn also has the advantage of being the most available material nationwide. You can buy popcorn at the local convenience store.



yeah, i love that.
it's one thing i try to look for in 'pushing' teks, the materials need to be common, easily found. seen plenty of folks who can't seem to find rye or vermiculite, etc.
but you never hear that about pcorn.
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no, that's not too bad
but i've seen pcorn qts finish in 7.




From spores?
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yep.
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lol. I feel ganged up on.

When I said the fad will be over in a year, I was referring to a year from then. We'll see in nine months if anyone is still crazy about it.

Perhaps 'popcorn sucks' was a bit harsh.

After all, I've made a lot of posts that were done with popcorn. What I mean to say is "rye is much better" as a spawn. Soliver and a few others who like popcorn, by their own acknowlegement, haven't tried rye grains, only popcorn. If one has gone from pf cakes to popcorn, that explains why they like popcorn better. No doubt as a spawn medium, popcorn is superior to cakes. However, I still stand by my contention that rye grains are far superior to popcorn.

I also was able to get a few isolated strains that would fruit invitro on popcorn. However, those same strains fruit much better invitro on rye grains.

Rye grass seed, imo, is superior as a spawn medium to rye berries. They're not just for sclerotia producing species, cubies love it. It is trickier to get the moisture content right, and the jars must be removed from the pc while still warm and shaken, or they'll clump up, even if gypsum is used.

I'm not trying to step on any toes here, just trying to help. Research is my forte, and I like to pass what I learn along. I think if the experienced growers here will do some side by side tests with popcorn, rye berries, rye grass seed and wbs, they will reach the same conclusions I have. If not, I will stand corrected.

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This thread has been hijacked! Hehehe.
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they will reach the same conclusions I have.



i just don't see it happening, old friend.
i mean, why now after years of dissent among
hundreds of growers over what is the
'best' substrate.
i don't think you'll ever get agreement
as there are simply too many variables.
i know folks who SWEAR there is nothing better
than white millet,
others who like hard winter wheat,
etc.
of course we cannot forget about the various mixtures, some folks add wbs to their pcorn.
i honestly think the best option is to just lay out your evidence and leave it up for each to choose as they feel,
and accept that there really is no 'best',
at least nothing you can get everyone to agree on.
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i do the same as hippie for the popcorn just throw 2 bags of popcorn in the cooker and prep it that way, but i add a 1/2 to a cup of dextrose while I'm doing the first PC then i soak over night rinse then pack into jars seems to get the water content perfect , plus the dextrose jars seem to leap into life (liquid inoculate MS)faster then the ones not treated with it. on average id get half dollar size spots in 2-3 days were the ones without dextrose took 7 days to reach the same size growth . I've done this little experiment a lot and the dextrose treated jars always beats the untreated jars , it really seems to help when i was doing spore syringes instead of liquid dex tek (karo) or agar , agar being the majority leader in how many times I've used dextrose corn supplements . if thats what U whould call it . also I've gotten invtro from corn with cams and pesa ,but i have to agree it doesn't compare to some of the other substrates as far as invitro goes.


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I_am_me (I_am_me)
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So 2 jars 100%, one jar is now at about 60-70%. Seems as if everything will turn out slow but fine.

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let them go a good long while,
so the mycellia can get strong, thick and cover as much of the grains as possible.
when you shake the grain out for use,
be sure to let it sit, covered, 24-48 hours
to 'recover' and colonize any bare grains before casing or using as spawn.
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I thought that people spawned right out of the jar if they were spawning a bulk substrate?
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I guess while I'm asking questions...hehe...plan on spawning castings. I plan on either mixing in vermiculite or coir. I have both. Also will be casing with either verm or verm and coir. Would you think the worm castings would be better with coir or verm? I'm thinking coir as it has nutrients as opposed to verm. Then for the casings maybe like 70/30 verm/coir, that way the casing layer will be able to colonize well but not like it would with a mostly coir mixture. Also plan on pastuerizing the casing mixture and adding a pinch of hydrated lime. Will be spawning 3 qts substrate to 1 qt of spawn per tray.

Opinions welcomed, thanks.
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Hrmph so no suggestions on if castings/coir or castings/verm would be better? I think I'll try one of each then hehe...
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thought that people spawned right out of the jar if they were spawning a bulk substrate?



many do,
but you'll get few contams if you let it recover 1st.
not required but wise.
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Would you think the worm castings would be better with coir or verm?



coir in the bulk sub. mix

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Then for the casings maybe like 70/30 verm/coir, that way the casing layer will be able to colonize well but not like it would with a mostly coir mixture. Also plan on pastuerizing the casing mixture and adding a pinch of hydrated lime. Will be spawning 3 qts substrate to 1 qt of spawn per tray.



sounds like a decent plan to me.
good luck
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Thanks. I'll try to document the process as well. Appreciate the input. :-)


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Two qts popcorn spawned to 6qts castings/coir. Spawn run was 1 week. Starting pinning right at 100% colonization without casing layer, cased over pins as they were only the beginning. Couple of early fruits, lots of pins poppin up now. Hopefully it'll work out well.

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Lots of small pinds you can't see in the picture. Will update as it comes...
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Oh yeah one quart of popcorn got its own little one pan casing. It was cased with the same casing mix as the above tub, verm/coir with a little lime. No pins on it yet...
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looking good
almost payday
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Yeah luckily. It was the only syringe of eq so good to be able to get a print. Hehehe. Few more pics of the semi-first flush. :-)

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thats so crazy, looks awesome man, what do you use for a tek for that?
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thats so crazy, looks awesome man, what do you use for a tek for that?




Sup. I got the kit from triple helix spores, which was the grain presterilized and casing material. I just spawned the grain to worm castings and coir kinda like the bulk neglect report in the archives under miscellaneous teks. Pretty easy and not much upkeep. Around an ounce first flush dry from 2 qts popcorn.
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