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charlie (Xxxx)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 02, 2004 - 08:23 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

>Hippie3 says:
>btw,
>i'm looking for any info on
>experiments in growing common edibles of pf->style substrates.

I've been a trying Hippie! Your wish is my command!

Lion's Mane:

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Pearl Oysters:
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Shirotamogitake:
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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Tehuti (Roo)
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>Hippie3 says:
>btw,
>i'm looking for any info on
>experiments in growing common edibles of pf->style substrates

Are you serious about this? I have been working on a tek or sorts using fuel pellets/vermiculate and BRF. Right now I am trying to work out the ratios. I am using 400 ml wide mouth canning jars.

I have been thinking that if there was enough interest in this sort of thing I might post the info and the tek as I get further along in the process.

One could sell these jars along with a syringe culture if it where possible to do this. These pre made jars could be produced for pennies as well as the cultures.

Oysters might be a good way to start. My only concern is co2 levels in the fruiting chamber.

I might be interested in doing this if the tek was kept "open source" sort of like a GNU type thing. No patents or copyrights.

My only concern is that there may not be enough interest in it to justify selling such a kit. I am sure schools might be interested in it if it where presented without the word PF.

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quote:

Are you serious about this?



well, yeah...
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charlie (Xxxx)
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Posted on Thursday, June 03, 2004 - 12:23 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well Roo, you could be like me and post whatever you thought might be fun or interesting and say to heck with anyone who mistakenly thought what you posted wasn't fun or interesting. :-)
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Tehuti (Roo)
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I think it is interesting. Lots of teks to grow edibles have been used to grow cubes. One could take alot of the info here and grow edibles. There is not alot of info out there as far as edibles go, but there is alot of good info on cubes. At least info that is of interest for the home grower. Karo tek works just as well for edibles as well as cubes. I have done it with oysters recently and it does work with only slight modification.

One could take these cube teks, modify them, and take it to the bank if they are successful. Cubes are no big deal to me as far as being able to grow them. But if I where able to take that knowlege and make some money selling kits or information for growing edibles, so be it. Triping is cool, but so is having extra money.



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Sweetness (Sweetness)
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Nice work Charlie
'We are operating on many levels here.' Ken Kesey
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charlie (Xxxx)
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As you can see, the oysters and Shirotamogitake are looking a little strange. :-)

In alt.nature.mushrooms Yachaj, who professes to have successfully grown PF style gourmet cakes, says:

Unfortunately, infeed, not many mushrooms like the vermiculite/ricepowder mixture (PF Substrate). Oyster mushrooms are the only mushrooms that I know of, but those do not fruit when grown in HIPPIE-style or even in a terrarium (oysters hate high levels of carbon dioxide - they want lots of oxygen for large fruitbodies).

The species I mentioned (goldneedles, oysters, shiitake and lion's mane) all will fruit on pint cakes with a mixture of small woodchips and brown rice.
All except the oysters will also fruit in small, terrarium-like
environments.



Dang, and of course I chose oysters and Shirotamogitake to be among my first experiments! Oh well, at least the Lion's Mane looks good.
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Tehuti (Roo)
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Posted on Friday, June 04, 2004 - 12:21 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What ratios are you using for the substrait?
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charlie (Xxxx)
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I've tried various substrates. Most where PF br & verm with sawdust added. The Lion's Mane pictured is the only healthy shroom so far. (Apparently the failures where due primarily to less than adequate air exchange.)

My initial post was mostly to let Hippie know I was heeding his directive. :-)

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Hatcher (Hatcher)
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Wouldn't put too much blame on air exchange charlie, based on experience mainly, as well as all the stories of guys going off on a trip, expecting to come back to nothing, and having a mess of shrooms...

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Hippie3 (Admin)
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quote:

Oyster mushrooms are the only mushrooms that I know of



shittakes will fruit on pf substrate too
see http://archives.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/27244.h tml?1084272367
tell yachaj
even he can learn something new eh ?
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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archive material
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Tehuti (Roo)
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(Apparently the failures where due primarily to less than adequate air exchange.)


I agree with you on this. The oysters in the picture are a classic example of too much co2. Some strains need more air exchange than others. I would consider the BRF to be an excellent supplement. I would also suggest using gypsum in the substrate as it increases the photosensitivity of shiitake's and Stamets uses it in his substrate for wood decomposers.

Stamets recommends using the gypsum in a 1 part to 8 parts supplement.

I would also use the next size up large mouth jar, 400 ml. Some wood lovers are picky about wanting a huge amount of substrate. Give them more time in the PC or use the peroxide tec in the archives. Don't use the BRF if you are using the peroxide method. Use powdered milk or simalac powder.

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I expected something flimsy, etc. But I am well pleased with mine. Shop around, look for sites that cater to people who grow orchids. I have no probs anymore with airflow etc.

Something else. You may want to consider wrapping each cake in plastic wrap and poking holes in them. If you do this try to get its as tight around the cake as possible, with as few air bubbles as possible..

I have not tried this myself, just been thinking quite a bit since I saw your post.



(Message edited by roo on June 08, 2004)
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charlie (Xxxx)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 09:51 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think it's safe to say Lion's Mane and oysters can be grown PF style. (With the oysters being moved outside to fruit.)
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very nice.
how does one maintain the cakes outside ?

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charlie (Xxxx)
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I can only tell you how I proceeded (right or wrong) in this experiment. Cakes where completely PF style up until birth with the exception of adding 1/4 teaspoon gypsum, 1/4 cup wood fuel pellets and the water to hydrate the pellets to the standard PF formula. All cakes where put in baggies and sealed with packaging tape. A couple holes where punched in each baggie. (The oysters formed primorda not at the hole sites so I just made a hole wherever they formed.) The Lion's Mane was fruited in a typical perlite/sterilite container with fanning a few times a day.

The outdoor fruiting area (Hippie says FINALLY!) is a steel fence post structure covered on two sides and the top with landscape fabric. This serves to block the sun while also helping a bit to hold humidity. I have a drip hose run repeatedly around the structure at various levels. I run water through the hose for maybe a minute every hour or two whenever I think of it. A frog has moved in. I took that as a good sign :-)

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quote:

A frog has moved in. I took that as a good sign



lol
as well you should.

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charlie (Xxxx)
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Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 07:54 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I timed my watering and the on cycle I'm using is 20-30 seconds rather that 1 minute.
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charlie (Xxxx)
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Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 01:32 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Shirotamogitake also works PF style; with the same need as oysters for air exchange.

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Hippie3 (Admin)
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now that's a real nice shot
pretty shrooms


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charlie (Xxxx)
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I was going to quit, though I am blushing, 1 more a day later. :-)

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