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Jeffreyd (Jeffreyd)
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 12:47 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well guys im FUCKED. here's the story ----

Currently i goto a university 2 hours away from home, i moved back in about 3 weeks ago for the new semester. I had a small terrarium in my room with only 3 cakes. I also had about a 1/2 ounce of dried shrooms in my desk in my room. I sold about 12 grams of dried shrooms to 2 of my pretty good buddies about 4 days ago. Well i got home from school and there was a car parked in front of my place with 3 guys in it. I started to walk into my apartment when one guy yelled my name. I walked over to the car and he asked me to have a seat. Im like whats up? He then said that i am being arrested for cultivation and illegal distributuion of a controlled substance. They then had a search warrant to search my apt. They asked me to sign it, and i agreed knowingly im screwed. I went up to my room with them. I handed them the other bag of shrooms that i had knowing they would find them. They found my terrarium and took that along with some vicadin i had and a smoking peice too. I was handcuffed and brought to the station. They questioned me for 3 hours. They have been investigating me for the past 3 monthes. I have no clue how. They wont tell me anything besides they know alot about me. I was so scared. Im a senior in College, 23 years old with my whole life ahead of me. They got me for 2 felony charges. I was looking at about a year in jail and about 10,000$ in fines. Well after many cooperative hours with the DEA. They gave me some options. They told me if i could help them out with information leading to the arrest of someone dealing ecstasy or cocaine, they would drop the charges and let me go. I was ready to do anything!!! I carefully thought through people i know that were dealing and with some more thought i remembered someone who i got some rolls from last semester. So basically im working for the DEA for awhile until they feel i have helped enough for them not to process the charges against me. I cant beleive im sitting here typing this right now. i should be behind bars. I still dont know who narked me out, or how they knew so much. Let me just tell everyone here that it is NOT worth it. I will never attempt to grow again. After being were i was at i never want to go through that again. Know one knows how they found out but they did! I live in a college town and i thought with so many people no one would know. i was so WRONG!

I'll let you know how the rest of my new duties go
peace!
Jeff~
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Purge (Purge)
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 01:11 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Shit. Sound like everybody who though You were a friend is fucked, not You. Rolled right on over, huh? It's also great that since They are keeping tabs on You, You are coming here. Thanks!
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Jeffreyd (Jeffreyd)
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 01:15 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My case is closed. No worry.
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liberty_caps
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 02:22 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That really sux man sorry to here that did u sell thoes mushies u grew? did u tell people or what? so whats going on with your case now u say its closed but whats going on do u got fines/time in jail im guseing no jail time if u rated people out but thier a lesson here to if your friends ever get fucked by the cops/DEA they will rat u out! almost no doubt just to get off thats why u trust NO one.my monkey did a very bad thing when he had to store his jars at a friends house he gave him 6 jars which he distrubed to 6 people now 6 people are growing shrooms any advice on what he should do about that??? anyone???? (thier friends but that dont mean shit!) please respond it will ease him very much so he dont know what to do about this
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liberty_caps
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 02:27 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

whops I gusse u did sell some well my gusse is one of your so called (close buddies) fucked u
so did u rat thoes guys out?
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EngelVanGenade
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 03:14 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

well heres my thoughts:

the dea nabbed your internet travels and started investigating. big thanks for postin here. now theyve got all our ips.

your freinds narcd on you. again, thanks for posting here. why not at another hated bb we all know?

im goin to save them the trouble and say i never was affliated with the communist party. although you my freind are a card carrying member. no flames intended, but i really hate ppl sellin out sombody because they cant take the heat. take it from someone who knows, you just fucked yourself. those charges were trumped up and prolly wouldve been eased if you wouldnt have broken so quick. which leads me to another question: why the fuck did you come here? or is this part of your job?
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Vitticeps (Vitticeps)
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 03:52 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I sincerely doubt that internet tracking is what led to your demise. Given that my ip and some personal info is attached to this site I would expect that I would be first on their list. But, for them get a warrant for the server logs the host would have to be notified. If the host were forced to give such information I would have known about it. I'd have to guess that someone you told or sold to ratted you out or told someone else who ratted you out. That's why you can't go telling anyone what you're doing. That's also part of why I got out, among my many other reasons I let too many people know about it. Until the day these things are legal (don't hold your breath) you have to keep quiet. Friends tell friends who tell friends. In the end it could be someone you never even heard of that ratted you out.

On a side note: I find it hard to believe that they would release you so quickly on these charges. Possesion of a Schedule I substance alone is enough to land you several years in jail. Distribution and cultivation compound these charges. I know that psilocybin is not on the DEA's list of 'Drugs of concern' right now but it is Schedule I none the less. I'm not necessarily saying I don't believe you but it is a bit hard to swallow.

Just my take. :)
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EngelVanGenade
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 04:36 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

great. shroomery has found out.
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Admin (Admin)
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 05:00 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wouldn't worry about the shroomery finding out. They recently had someone posting a similar story. Didn't result in a flame war... a few rough digs here and there but no wars. Besides, if anyone comes here flaming they will be promptly escored out and their flames extinguished.
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Jeffreyd (Jeffreyd)
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 05:31 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, hey i didnt post this to start any kind of conflict. I posted because i have been a loyal fan to Mycotopia since April. I wrote my story here becuase i feel some people should realize that it CAN happen to you. I highly doubt my internet use had anything to do with my bust. I'm pretty sure it was a friend, which still boggles my mind. I was turned over to the local police for them to do what they wanted. In their best interest they wanted info from people in MY COLLEGE TOWN only. When they found my shrooms i heard them make a comment like "Damn these things are still around" Like they werent really interested in knowing more about shrooms. They were more ineterested in my knowlege about other drugs. Yes im a god damn nark now. It sucks. But seriously what would you do? Facing 2 counts of felony charges for a little info? I have been to the Drug enforcement office 4 times in the last 2 days. making calls and trying to set up busts. But beileve a few leads in exchange for my life back, doesnt really seem that bad.
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EngelVonGenade
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 05:55 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

well i do know about jailtime prick. me and 4 others did sumthing big and they all rolled on m
ass. the four ppl had known each other for longer than they knew me so when they got pulled in they all said it was my idea, basically settin me up as the mastermind. then they went around school sayin i was the narc. well i gotthe statements complete with dates and copied them. i handed them out and quickly squished the problem. stilli ended up servin 6 months while they got community service. so fuckin up other ppls lives because you got popped is not only chicken shit, your basically sayin your happiness is worth more than someones life. rot in hell
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Relic (Relic)
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 06:00 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

what can i say, you signed a search request/waiver. if it were a warrant, no signature is required besides that of the judge. they had no evidence and you gave it to them. if someone say's so and so sold these to me, that isn't evidence. you should have declined the waiver and proceeded into your apartment. if they arrested you, you call an attorney. they have to file charges to hold you. if they couldn't file charges or get a warrant(prolly couldn't that's why they baited you), you walk. but instead, now you're a narc.
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Relic (Relic)
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 06:06 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

btw, i too have been in that position like engel in my youth, and they made me out as the mastermind, which couldn't have been further from the truth. long story short i got 10 days in jail and 2 years probation and they got 3 months probation. i agree whole heartedly with engel, you are a piece of shit. long may you rot
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Skippy420 (Skippy420)
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 07:04 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ya let's see I have a few things to say here. I'll keep it non-hostile but this is a fucked up situation.

First of all, whoever said this is right: You don't need to sign a search WARRANT for the cops to search your place of residence. They obviously lied to you about what the paper was, if it was a search WARRANT they would have been sitting in your dorm room when you walked in, not outside in a car tricking you into signing a search WAIVER. Not too smart bro....

Secondly, ratting people out is fucked up. The people you are ratting on feel the same you did when they got caught. Except they aren't the ones who fucked up and got the police on their ass. You are. You basically screwed up, and traded someone else into your place to pay the price for your own crime. You may not be a complete piece of shit, but what you did puts you about 90% of the way there, and the fucked up part is you'll never be able to undo it. I'm sure you have your reasons, and I understand you were scared or whatever. But you are the one who let the police catch you. Yeah it sucks, and sure the police shouldn't even be after people for this shit, and in a way getting caught does make YOU the victim. But it was YOU who told the wrong person or whatever fucked you over (and also you who signed away your right to not be searched when they didn't even have a warrant). So now there is someone who is in the exact same shitty ass position as you were before you ratted them out just so you don't have to be there, but you're the one who did the crime! They are the victims now, of both you and our shitty gov't. The only thing more fucked up than what you did is that we live in a country in which that kind of shit is in what we call our "justice" system! Obviously if they can let you walk the streets after giving them a few names, you could be walking the streets if you hadn't. It wasn't some necesity to society that you be locked up obviously. But if you hadn't narced, they would've done it anyway. That's fucked up. However it's also fucked up that you have the mindset of, well I fucked up but someone else can pay the price instead of me so I guess that's how I'll handle it, let someone else deal with the fucked up system so I don't have to. Basically, I just hope you have no illusions that what you did wasn't fucked up. I doubt you're really a horrible person, and must have been scared, but you should feel some sort of guilt for dumping your pile of shit in someone else's yard.
PS that's a cool fucking phrase lol did I hear that before somewhere or just make that up??

Third, I read this about 5 secs after my post about me quitting growing. This is the kind of shit that scares me so much that I refuse to take the risk any more. The US is a fucked up government, and is very good at brainwashing people.

That's all I got. Damn this post/situation pisses me off in every godamned way for a variety of reasons I was kind of waiting for something like this to show up on the board. Very unfortunate for everyone that who got sucked into that mess.
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Skippy420 (Skippy420)
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 07:07 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

........

Is coming here part of your job?
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Kaijan (Kaijan)
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 07:25 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EngelVonGenade -- please lay off the harsh tones around here. We are all friends and family, it is simply not needed. There are other ways to express yourself then by calling people "pricks" or insulting them. JefferyD has done us a favour by telling us his story. People like him are what prompted my mind in leaving growing. It is simply not worth the risk.

Talk nice to people around here, and you'll get the same in return. We don't want to have wars started here, or accounts will be removed and banned.

Jefferyd, I'm sorry about what happend to you, I can associate. It is scary stuff, and when you are busted, Helping them is pretty much your only option -- if you want your life back. This is another good reason why people should keep growing to themselves. Do not tell your friends, Do not tell "customers" (if you are selling) that it's shit you've grown. Do not let people know anything they do not need to know. IF your really wise.

Like vitti stated, He had to quit growing because people knew too much. Which is the same reason I have decided to stop. Too many people all over the place have found out, not by choice... but stuff happens.

Stay safe people, We don't want to lose any more faces around here. Hopefully JefferyD, you will still visit and lend a hand to people who need it. Also, I hope everything works out for you in the future, which i'm sure it will.

kai
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whitey
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 08:38 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

don't you have any dignity jeffrey? rattin someone out is as low as you can go.. a while ago some guy i knew got caught with a hit of ecstacy on him. to get the charges dropped, he ratted out his dealer. and guess what? he's in a fuckin wheelchair! i'd watch my back if i were you.....
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EngelVanGenade
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 08:48 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

skippy i heard that off a house of pain album w/ jump around on it

i may be a lil out of line but this guy is unappologetic about fuckin someone else over for his mistake. i empathize w/ him, but i was taught to not do the crime if i couldnt do time, something he needs to learn. this dood doesnt care that narcin out someone out for dealing coke requires a mandatory minimum sentence of YEARS in prison. he dont care about that persons parents, sisters, bro, children ect. in real life you deserve something cant say here [mods protecting a fuckin narc]. i hope this eats at u wen u figure out how bad you fucked this guy. in closing what you pulled was a chicken shit stunt. and if it walks like a duck....
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EngelVanGenade
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 08:56 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

also if any member of law enforcment or anyone acting on there behalf wishes to speak to me, i want a lawyer. i invoke my power to request that no infomation about me be kept or distributed by anyone for any reason.
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Admin (Admin)
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 10:41 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, I'm not protecting anyone. I'm protecting the atmosphere that brought this site together and kept it that way. My philosophy on how this site is moderated is exactly as stated in 'System Announcements':
Be civil
Be truthful
Live and learn

There is no place on this board for anything outside those simple guidelines. Anything else is simply not productive and can only lead to snowballing hostility.
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Purge (Purge)
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 01:15 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well I have to say that My initial reaction was pretty hostile also, but I took a breath and realized that telling ol' Jeff there that He was the worst kind of piece of shit would accomplish nothing. It's obvious that He sees life as something that happens to Him, when in reality He is just a bit player. Very bad karma so to speak. It'll come back to Him eventually.
Oh, My second reaction? God I'm glad (I hope?) He's not a 'friend' of mine. Of course the only friends I have that are aware of My hobby are right here. Good Luck Jeff, I think You might need it.
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Vitticeps (Admin)
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 01:23 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Now there's a good example of speaking your mind without attacking anyone. Thank you purge.

And good luck from me too Jeffrey. I wont pass judgement on your actions. I have never been in your shoes and will not pretend I know what you are going through. Try to see what people are saying here as constructive criticizm, hard as that may be.

Live and learn, sometimes the lessons can be rough.
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Lichen (Lichen)
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 08:30 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Everyone needs to calm down because paranoia is a major factor here...remember that if you succumb to seeing MIB's in the trees and spying from safe distances with telephoto lenses and listening equipment you have already lost your tranquility, your inner harmony is destroyed.

Jeffryd made mistakes that led to his problem. I'm sure he didn't intend to make so many enemies, and may not even realize that his life may now be endangered. He's a kid with little experience in life. It happens all the time to inexperienced kids...they simply don't know what to do.

But if our faces become empurpled with rage and frustration, its a sign of the fear we all feel coming to the ugly surface. Don't let paranoia steal your life away. And be discreet and wise with your 'sensitive' hobbies if you have them.

I keep no drugs on the property, or anywhere in the vicinity. My mushrooms are legal, and except for a few strange species growing outdoors, I have no worries. (they could be poisonous for all I know, and I don't eat them, but they're pretty) I personally do not sell drugs, never have. If we all use the same sort of discretion most of us can avoid the snare that jeffryd fell into. Jeffry, ya dummy, why sell drugs? There's much smarter ways to make money, see.

What a bunch of bullshit all that is, but it's my disclaimer of sorts. No paranoia! It's a killer.
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Relic (Relic)
Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 10:16 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you know there's a real good chance that the cops were acting on an anonymous tip. that's what it looks like. for the cops to arrest someone, and have them narc, and not get a warrant, doesn't seem right. if they tried to hold you, you force them to either file charges or release you immediately. they can't file charges without evidence. always ask for a lawyer immediately and never ever sign anything. i understand that you had your reasons, but what you don't understand is that reasons don't make it right. you did your little part in the mass perversion of our legal system.
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Lichen (Lichen)
Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 02:17 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am trying to remember who it was with whom I had an argument on the frozen mycotopia board concerning shrooms.

The gist of the arguement was whether shrooms are good for us or not, and I believe it was you, jeffryd, who said you got into trouble when you were a kid for growing shrooms in your room and getting kicked out of school etc. If it wasn't you, I apologize, please excuse me. I cannot remember.

However, it does make an interesting point. Some people just don't have it together very well. People get busted all the time because they are not being smart. Some would say it's not smart to grow and distribute illegal mushrooms. Some do it all the time and get away with it. Some have done it for decades before being caught.

A warning: If you are a befuddled discombobulated individual, you should keep your nose clean. Stop doing drugs, clean up your life, get some goals set and work towards them. Get squared away in your life before you go trying to be high all the time. You're obviously not mature enough in life to handle it.

What you need to do, Jeffryd, is get the hell away from all this. You need to be a stable person, and if you are not, and keep doing tons of drugs, you never will be. If you don't take this advice, you are an idiot. So don't be proud, or stupid. Just get off drugs, say for ten years or even five. Go do other things. Get a house. Finish your education. Get married, have kids, settle in. Then when drugs are the last thing on your mind, you may be ready for them. Stay away from alcohol--it's the worst kind of poison and will destroy your life, because it's legal and accepted and easy to get carried away with it.

You should know that the heavy drug peddlars whom you've enlisted to narc out may now be gunning for you. I hope, for your sake, that you don't know any really big drug dealers, because if you do and narc them out, they just might have the power to reach out and touch you--wherever you go.
If I were you, I'd move far, far away asap and stay away for a few decades. Get some land somewhere, lay low, build a garden. Learn carpentry or some other trade or something you can get satisfaction out of. It will keep you out of trouble. Move away, become someone else. Read history and live life. Grow orchids, man, anything to get yourself completely away from the whole shebang.

I'd say, judging from stories I've heard, that you really, really fucked up and you'd better watch your back. And anyway, what the fuck are you doing? Cocaine is very, very bad for your body. So is X. I personally will not touch these drugs, but I sure have in the past, and I speak from experience.

You'd better learn from this episode, you know?
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Fungusflipper (Fungusflipper)
Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 05:08 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jeff-

Its not too late; do the right thing. Stop cooperating right now! Take your medicine. Be A MAN. You did the crime, you may do some time. Most likely you will get probation. Do not perpetuate this cycle any further. They will never let you go. Trust me on this. They will want you to roll again and again, and before you know it you will be a professional Confidential Informant. Tell them to fuck off and get a good lawyer.

FF
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Jeffreyd (Jeffreyd)
Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 05:10 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well i appreciate all the comments good and bad. I know ive fucked up and i probably admitted to more than they knew. Every hour of the day i think.. "what if i did this" "what if that". None of that matters. I guess i cant trust my friends. Ive begun to conclude that this is a cycle for the police to wind their way through the drug world. I'm sure one of my "so-called" friends got busted for pot or something, and exchange for no fines, they ratted me out. That sucks, but in return im looking at many years in jail opposed to helping them out in starting some new cases. Of course im not an idiot. I consider myself a very educated person. I thought carefully through everyone i knew, i didnt mention any friends, because i simply wouldnt do that to anyone i cared about. I started a case with this guy i knew last year that dealt me X. The thing is, this guy isnt looking at any fines or jail time either. he is the middleman here. He's getting me X from a friend that deals around here. I am to pick up X from him, which they supply me $$. I will then introduce another person (undercover cop) to this kid and then that person will buy from him, then that person will try to find who he's getting it from. If he doesnt talk, he's gonna be fucked, if he talks he'll be in the same situation i'm in. Thats the way their doing it around here. It sucks, but it works too. People can say what they want about me, but its a VERY small price to pay for what i would be looking at. I agree with Lichen 100%. Im done with drugs for now. I have my fun. Its time to move on in my life. It is simply not worth it. I dont know how anyone here could say they would accept those kind of charges. I remember my ride to the police station. I asked the cop nicely what i was looking at for these offenses. he's like "well, definetly some Jail time along with some hefty fines. Just to associate myself with being in jail makes me cringe. I have a perfectly clean record. So call me selfish or whatever, all i know is im not in federal-pound-me-in-the-ass-prison.
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Jeffreyd (Jeffreyd)
Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 05:14 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I signed a statement saying i would cooperate. the statement also said i could back off anytime. I am working on one case. As soon as this case is out of my hands im done. The cop said, they will weigh my help with my charges. If they feel ive equalled my chages, im done. They are much more concerned with X than measly shrooms.

I am concerned with being their slave for too long. i will confront them with that next time i meet.
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Wicc (Wicc)
Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 05:19 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In addition to the ACLU's Bustcard there was a very good post archived on hippie's old site.... http://mycotopia.yage.net/discus/messages/425/1323.html?990660031

And I agree that it is a small price for YOU to pay and I wouldn't want to go to prison myself, but damn man, your fucking someone else the same way you were fucked... and i would be careful if you get someone else busted because even the small time dealer's don't take to kindly to what your doing... If you think Im being overly paranoid maybe you should try it yourself, if you were more paranoid about getting busted you probably wouldn't be in this situation rite now...
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Purge (Purge)
Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 04:28 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

When Your laying in a hospital suffering from multiple stab wounds You may begin to wish You were in "federal-pound-me-in-the-ass-prison". I think the whole staying away from drugs and other illegal activities thing is a great idea for You. I also think staying away from North Florida would also be a good idea, if only so that I don't have to worry about becoming one of Your "friends". Thank You for Your cooperation (I figure You WILL cooperate, since You are so keen on the idea.).
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Erinne (Erinne)
Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 05:44 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

all this rage turned on one another is destructive! it's exactly by dividing us that those in power keep their power and keep us running from them. think about it... if all of our rage were turned against the political systems that make jeff's story a reality, we could actually get something done about it rather than alienate each other. instead of attacking jeff (one of us!) for his carelessness or what he felt he had to do in a situation under extreme duress when he was probably at his weakest point, let's attack the real enemy! at bottom, the only real reason he found himself there was because our government wages a "war on drugs" that is really a war on its own citizens. the only real reason jeff had to make that wrenching decision at all is because this drug war is a billion dollar industry and ecstasy is the new target for it. who's act was worse, jeff's carelessness that led him into this trap or the people who set the trap?!
get informed, get involved, do something productive rather than destructive. it's simple & could one day save your life.
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The Roc (Rochester)
Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 06:19 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well said Lichen
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Lichen (Lichen)
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 01:47 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think we all are suffering from a sense of frustration here. I am. It's frustrating for us to see jeffryd in this mess and also I think it touches nerves here because some feel he could be leading them to us, as well.

As for venting rage in a productive manner, I think it's only another frustrating point. What can we do that organizations like NORML aren't already doing?
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Sporemagic (Sporemagic)
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 01:53 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

your first mistake was selling growing for your own enjoyment would have never landed you in this mess. sell spores they are legal.
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EngelVonGenade
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 04:58 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

jeffrey the reason you cant understand my refusing to roll is exactly why you did.

erin: your right about the govt. but jeff is now just as bad as they. make all the excuses you want for him, but rats are the reason the govt has had such success.

no paranoia here. only reasonable fear for running into my local version of jeff.
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Nuecrew (Nuecrew)
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 05:36 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

WOW! All I can say is what a drama. Jeffreyd the first question you should have asked your friendly narcs is "am I under arrest?" and from the sound of it they would have said no. You then could have said goodday gentlemen and cleaned up your act. If you are under arrest you very politely say I am not going to make any statements until I talk to an attorney. It is not a crime to not cooperate with the police. Apparently you let someone see your growmagic, an eyewitness, that is who narced you out. You don't by any chance live in Olympia, Wa.? This sounds like the kind of stuff they were doing 30 years ago. Listen to what some are saying about acts of vengence on you. The police are not going to help you find the persons who break your nose and ribs. The judge is NOT going to set you free! You will do something, probably probation for your "cooperation", the charge will stand. You are not as smart as you think. And that is the crux of your problem. And damn me for passing judgement on you Jeffreyd. Good luck!
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Jeffreyd (Jeffreyd)
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 06:17 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well they basically told me they wont process any of my charges. thats means it wont leave the local police records. Thats why im doing this. I dont want any of this on my record. I'm gonna do what i can for them and thats that. They seem pretty cool about everything. Its a tough war to win, and i just want this all to be over with. Also they read my miranda rights to me, so i was under arrest. These arent minor charges im was placed with. THATS why i'm cooperating. And i understand where everyone is coming from. Hate me all you want, because i know i'd be saying the same thing as alot of you. I've always been against any type of Narking whatsoever. Now look where i am. You can believe all you want but no one was in my situation, and maybe very few of you know how it feels to be given any kind of chance like i was. thats all i see it as.

If they still prosecute me after my help, thats when i get a lawyer!
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Wicc (Wicc)
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 06:31 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As relic and others have pointed out, if they had a warrant they would not sit and wait for you to get home to serve it. They would be in your home rummaging thru your stuff when you walked in. You did sign a search waiver most likely... Then you walked upstairs and turned over the contraband as you posted, then they marandized you and cuffed you right? I'm willing to bet if you had done as nuecrew suggested you wouldnt have been busted at all...
Damn people if your knowingly doing something illegal at least know how to react if confronted by the authorities...
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Trollhunter (Trollhunter)
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 07:35 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

wow well fist off,dont do the crime if you cant do the time .and as for the second well just look down.
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Lichen (Lichen)
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 12:51 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Trollhunter, please try to remain civil. Please excuse me. I didn't understand your comments but they look provocative rather than productive. When venting our emotions we can be honest, but, please, not insulting.
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Purge (Purge)
Posted on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 02:23 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't think most of Us hate You, Jeff (though some seem to). I HAVE been in Your situation (although I didn't have the option of avoiding it, just by being smart, which You did.) I think that You suffer from a narrow view of life (the world is NOT centered around You), and Bad judgement in the extreme. However You are exactly what the government wants us all to be. If We were all like You Big Brothers control would be complete. Everytime the police came to Our doors We would break down and tell Them everything, saving Them the trouble of staging investigations. Hey! We could save the Government lots of money that way, which They could then spend on facial recognition technology like they used at the Super Bowl, and install it on every corner! Then We would have no crime, because they would know where everybody is! And HEY! Then We could make certain thoughs illegal, so that everybody would be nice to each other, and there would be no conflict!No objectionable tv or games or movies or books or anything. And definitely no Mind or Mood Enhancing Substances! They would cause people to have Non-Government Approved thoughts! Wouldn't that be nice? To get rid of all the bad stuff by giving the perfect people in the government (who would NEVER abuse Their power, by the way) control over every aspect of Our lives? Our lives would be enriched by helping Big Brother control Our actions and Our words and Our thoughts, if We all just easily rolled over on Our associates. Wouldn't They be?

Oops. There i go rambling again.
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Jesseb (Jesseb)
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 12:56 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I most admit that I have been a little leary of posting and checking the board since I started reading this thread. It is a not easy for me knowing that there is a narc in our company. I really wish that you would have just gone away jeff, it would have made things alot easier. I wonder if they are keeping closer tabs one you then you think jeff. Also if you will roll on your "friends" so easily what about all of us that you have never meet? Makes me wonder? Will your real friends (DEA) be knocking on my door soon?
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Voice of Reason
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 02:02 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jeff, you have made a series of mistakes here, some of which might be reversable.
Understand that 12 grams WILL NOT get you prison time- neither will your little tank. You said yourself that you have no previous record, your a student, and your young. I don't care what the cops told you, they are trained to get you to fold and they will tell you anything to do so.

The feds dropped your case to the state level because you are a NOBODY that was barely doing anything. Its not like you are Pablo Escobar.

***Go to your local public defenders office. Talk to a lawyer before you do anything else.

When i was in college I was popped under almost the same cicumstances. Several months before they arrested me, they called me down to the police station. They told me that I sold to "them" on more than one occasion and I was DEFINETLY going to jail. How much jail time was dependent on how much I helped them. "the ball is in your court" one of the officers told me. I asked if I was going to be arrested at that time and they told me no, that I would be in their next "round up"--you see I too am from a college town. The local police have yearly round ups that they call "spring clean up". Anyhow, I went home and debated this horrible situation. I concluded that I made this bed and under NO circumstances will I make someone else pay for my mistakes. Its just not right. I waited for 4 months, 4 months I sat there and waited for the door to get kicked in. And finally it happened- I was arrested. The next day i was on the front page of my hometown newspaper, a sensationalized story that made me look real bad. It was quite embarassing. But through it all I kept my mouth shut and you know what I got? 2 years probation,a $1500 fine along with some community service. But thats not all I got, I was able to maintain my dignity, I learned alot about myself, and I learned how to deal with mounting stress. Everyday I can wake up and look in the mirror and know that i'm not a piece of shit. I can walk down my street and have no fear of whats behind me, and that means alot to me.

Just remember, NOBODY-including the cops, judges, and prosecuters have any respect for a snitch.

And mark my words: These things have a way of coming around in a full circle and the ferocity will be much worse. You can't fuck with nature.
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Lichen (Lichen)
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 02:43 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

like I said, Jeff, go away. Go far away.
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Glassman (Glassman)
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 02:59 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm surprised you haven't already hired a lawyer. If anyone is ever confronted with serious legal trouble of any kind, the FIRST thing on your mind should be hiring legal representation immediately! I'm sure you would have done anything to get out of your situation, so do whatever is necessary to get legal help. It's just not worth it trying to go though this sort of thing alone. Others of us out here should all look into pre-paid legal representation if we are ever worried that the same thing could one day be happening to us. In the sort of hobby that we all enjoy, extreme caution should be exerted at all times, without question. Legal protection is no exception.
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Nary A Shrimp
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 05:52 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Glassman, Please explain pre-paid legal help?
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Nuecrew (Nuecrew)
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 04:47 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is just a gut reaction/ thought but when these people post legal problems related to shrooms perhaps the best thing to do is to not give it any energy of any kind. Like an errant mutation of nature is left to die on the vine. Remember that one guy who "prosecuter mom" found the spore syringes. What a nut.
How do we know that some of these people are not looking for info about what level of involvment in growing is being done here? I can hear it now. "Thats right boys, right on the internet they talk about how to beat the police, how to get away with breaking the law. One guy talked about hurting people who cooperate with us."
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Nuecrew (Nuecrew)
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 04:47 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is just a gut reaction/ thought but when these people post legal problems related to shrooms perhaps the best thing to do is to not give it any energy of any kind. Like an errant mutation of nature is left to die on the vine. Remember that one guy who "prosecuter mom" found the spore syringes. What a nut.
How do we know that some of these people are not looking for info about what level of involvment in growing is being done here? I can hear it now. "Thats right boys, right on the internet they talk about how to beat the police, how to get away with breaking the law. One guy talked about hurting people who cooperate with us."
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Lichen (Lichen)
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 08:01 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

several people have talked about hurt befalling ole jeff here, but the hurt is all going to come from those he's narcing out. He's in trouble in my opinion because cocaine people are extreme people. Coke is an extreme drug, and an ugly one.

You're right, my gut feeling is similar. The whole business sounds scary and yucky and I sure hope our friend jeff doesn't lead em all to our beloved foafs. Danger! Danger! Ugly, yucky, dangerous idiocy!
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Nary A Shrimp
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 10:51 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yucky Lichen - What kind of dude says "Yucky"? (Pertaining to the Lichen gender Mystery!)

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Vcshrooms (Vcshrooms)
Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2001 - 03:06 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

way up their on the line liberty_caps asked for some advice. here it is, feed them bad advice on what to do with those cakes. if they shouldn't be growing them, them they should be stopped. they probably aren't mature enough to handle something like this. make them kill the cakes, without getting your hands dirty.
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liberty_caps
Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2001 - 03:52 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

well thanx alot for the response vcshrooms I'm working on that right now, I don't know how to have them kill them that easy unless I tell them to birth em in oil or something, but I'm getting more scared now to because 2 of the people who got em frome me, have had the CIA or something like that come to thier house because his sister had conterfit money, and his sister knows what the jars are, and that I gave the jars to him, I gusse she (overherd) them talking about it which they shouldent be talking about anyway or hes lieing and he told her himself, and im sure her friends know so what started out to be 5 people turned into 32 people so what to do?,,,my plan is to put them in my attic,, or bring them to my bros house he moved out awile ago and has his own house and land, so I think I'll do the inverto tek at his house?? hope it works
ps. if I just woulda kept me fucking mouth shut id be happley injoying my hobbie well live and learn I gusse
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Glassman (Glassman)
Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2001 - 04:18 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nary a Shrimp - prepaid legal help is like having a lawyer on retainer. Their are lawyers out there who allow you to prepay for their services. It's just a really good idea if you don't always have a large chunk of money saved up. The police won't wait until you have enough money to defend yourself before they bust you. If anyone out there is like me then your cash on hand fluctuates between comfortable and non-existent. I would hate to see one of my friends under serious charges that could involve incarceration if just the right legal move isn't made at just the right time, and be drained financially, therefore unable to hire a lawyer to help decide on said legal move. you follow what I mean?
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Saney (Saney)
Posted on Saturday, September 01, 2001 - 05:56 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeh well I typed up a little thing with good advice and opinions, but IE Page faulted and I dun wanna re-type it :) Sorry i'm lazy.

Anyways, if ANY cop ever approaches me the first thing I say is "Am I being arrested?" never got the answer "Yes" so far.. So I just turn my head and keep walking.

Cooperating with police will not get you into less trouble.

And finally, a little story.
I was walking down a well known street on my way to purchase some ganja. I live in North Philadelphia, there are like designated streets for different drugs :) Anyways, I was walking up the steps to my ganja dealer, and a cop car pulled up. Both guys got out of the car and approached me and asked me what I was doing. My first instinct was the casual "Am I under arrest?" but I wanted to have some fun. So I told the cops it was the jelly donut factory with rivers of coffee flowing every which way they looked. They didn't find that very amusing and told me to put my hand on the railing where they could see them. So I asked them "Why would you want me to do that?". Both of them were talking at the same time trying to intimidate me, so I just stood there and waitied for them to finish. They told me if I didn't they were going to arrest me for "Attempting to purchase marajuana" (since everyone knew what this house was for :] ) So I giggled and sat down and lit a cigarette (I'm still a minor, so it's illegal for me to smoke, haha). Then they told me they were going to bring me in for possessing nicotine as a minor. So I told them "How fucking stupid would you look if you walked me into the station on charges of smoking?".. So they got tough again.. and too make a long story a little shorter, i kept doing things I knew they wouldn't like, but they couldn't do anything about. Once I got tired of laughing at the police, I asked them if I was under arrest. They said no, So I got up and walked away.

IMHO 80% of the people in jail, are their because they told on themselves because they were scared.

Peace.
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birdebyrd
Posted on Saturday, September 01, 2001 - 06:53 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greed will get you every time. Not just about money either... recognition, notoriety, you name it. I guess you're a cool guy on campus, or you were. Why are you in college anyway? To party or to learn? I don't mean to sound harsh, and I'm not being judgemental... okay, yes I am, but I'm not the one in the stew. Consider this to be one of the lessons you learned in school. Experience is quite costly sometimes. I'm new here, and I'm an amateur mycosopher but I'm old enough to know that growin' something on college property is quite stupid to begin with. Culturing fungi should teach one about patience. Patience will get your ass out of trouble with the least amount of trouble and it only involves you. Rollin' on someone else is a typical junkie move. I'd like to think other mycofans were above that. It also illustrates impatience. Don't take it personal... that's just the way it is. Take your medicine, bubba. And be patient! Hell, when you're my age, you'll have children gettin' into the same kinda' shit. But you'll look back and think, "damn, that was dumb! I'm glad I'm smarter now."
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me again Birdebyrd
Posted on Saturday, September 01, 2001 - 07:03 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Duh! I feel stupid, now. Okay, so it wasn't on college property... but you showed it to someone else. And you SOLD it. They're playin' you for a chump (I'm dating myself with this terminology). You're an easy mark, my friend. Get thee to a barrister and get them off your back. You'll thank yourself down the road if you do, but if you don't, you'll have to live with that feeling that you're a schmuck. Okay, you rolled on someone... it's an honest mistake, for some. It's not too late to save what remaining shred of dignity you may have left. Like I said, take your medicine, bubba. And for God's sake, LEARN from this experience.
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Vcshrooms (Vcshrooms)
Posted on Saturday, September 01, 2001 - 02:46 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

He should have been growin some morels or oysters, don't ya think? Atleast then he could have bribed the teacher for good grades with pounds of morels
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Trollhunter (Trollhunter)
Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2001 - 03:43 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

sorry lichen,but that fact of the matter is ,and this is the truth,you rat on some one and you pay the price ,you are marked for life as one.it is unfortunate that he got busted .but take your own fall dont bring other ppl in to it .this is not up for agument,it is fact.and being a person that has had some close friends go down ,because of ppl that could not handle the fact that they could not do there own time,causes the feeling i and others may feel on this topic.so in conclushion please keep your thoughts out of mine in the future .cause some day you might have some one rat you out and then you will know how some of these ppl feel.but these are just my thoughts ,take them for what there are .
rats and trolls are a dieing breed
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Nuecrew (Nuecrew)
Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2001 - 06:18 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My Brother was telling me a story that happened to a person not too long ago.
Young adult male leaves house of friend. Outside are three plainclothes gentlemen waiting in the bushes for him.(A "friend" who got busted!!!!!!!!!! ratted him out) One of the gentlemen says,"are you Joe blow (I don't remember his name)"? He says,"No I'm not him". He goes over to his car reaches in his pocket for his keys and they say, "freeze, take your hands out of your pocket slowly". They found over $300 and some weed,in the same pocket, which is apparently grounds for a sale/ distribution charge. The police report said they thought he was reaching for a gun in his pocket and that was grounds for thier whatever you call it. FYI
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Liberty_Caps (Liberty_Caps)
Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2001 - 07:26 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just wanted to say the post I wrote that one day about giving the shrooms to my friends and some people told me I should have them kill them I'm not going to do that to me that is just mean and evil I said that because I was paronied and dident want to get fucked over I'll give them a chance to do thier best I just wont be giveing out any more jars ever
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Lichen (Lichen)
Posted on Monday, September 03, 2001 - 04:44 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So troll hunter, are you talking to me? I didn't realize I was causing a problem here...please excuse me.
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Lzmaryann (Lzmaryann)
Posted on Monday, September 03, 2001 - 07:54 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Perhaps someone is confused Lichen? This has to be one of the longest threads on the site.
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Lichen (Lichen)
Posted on Monday, September 03, 2001 - 12:52 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yes, you know people aren't going to read the whole shot from top to bottom before they comment. Hey, Vitti, any chance you can archive portions of new threads as soon as they become a week old, like Hippie3?
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Vitticeps (Admin)
Posted on Monday, September 03, 2001 - 04:17 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok, just turned the auto-archiving on...
from now on once a thread exceeds 20 posts it will start archiving.
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Lichen (Lichen)
Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2001 - 01:33 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

very cool, Vitti :0)
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Trollhunter (Trollhunter)
Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2001 - 02:03 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

no problem .me not pissed at any one,computers are a cold why of comunacation,but you must have said some thing for me to say keep out of my thoughts .i just dont jump on ppl for no reason,but any how peace:-)
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Musicalshrooms (Musicalshrooms)
Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2001 - 08:09 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh, could I be the only one on the board who know's lichen's gender?? =o)
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Lichen (Lichen)
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2001 - 12:22 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Trollhunter, I am afraid I cannot understand you. Unless you have another username, I can't even see that you posted anything else in this thread, so how could I have directed anything towards you, good or bad?

I suggest you go back and look, my friend. Perhaps you're mistaken. Computers are a cold form of communication, but jumping on people isn't usually needed. Could you please clarify why you jumped on me?
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Lzmaryann (Lzmaryann)
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2001 - 01:24 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lichen is definately female!
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Mushy (Mushy)
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2001 - 02:23 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL, Lichen won't admit to it, but I have reason to suspect you are wrong. I believe Lichen is very adept at portraying a feminine member of our community, but there is evidence that betrays this.

At any rate, whether Lichen is male, female, or some convoluted cross gender entity so common these days, Lichen is OK and it is not quite appropriate to continue to debate Lichen's gender. Lichen will keep that a secret for Lichen's reasons. Lets all respect Lichen's wishes to remain anonymous.

Besides, its the mystery that makes Lichen so interesting =)
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Lichen (Lichen)
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2001 - 12:35 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Awww, Mushy, that's so kind of you, but don't worry about me. Actually it sort of makes me feel like I'm part of the community when people take interest. It's why I have allowed it to become a point of controversy...it's so interesting to see what everyone says :0) The only trouble with it is what would the neighbors think? j/k
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Mushy (Mushy)
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2001 - 12:38 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you are ok with it, then by all means, debate away!

Fitting handle you have too, by the way. Is it fungus, or is it plant? Are you male, or are you female?

The world may never know...
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Some Body (Texasshroomer)
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2001 - 02:07 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

By the way, can fungi be male or female like plants? or do they just squirt their spores all over everyone and reproduce?
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Mushy (Mushy)
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2001 - 05:09 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I highly recommend The Mushroom Cultivator by Paul Stamets if you are curious about the mushroom life cycle. Very interesting to know, especially if you have any interest or affinity with Biology.

There is a male/female reproductive process, however you cannot identify male and female. Rather, it is two cellular units each originating from different spores that 'mate' to form cells capable of fruiting.

There is not a need for a 'male' and a 'female', but there are genetic conditions that result in incompatibilities between some hyphae (what sprouts from a spore). Likewise, there is a chance (about 30% I think) that spores from the same fruitbody will be incompatible.

Fortunately, there are millions of spores generated by a carpophore (fruitbody), so even with the odds relativley low, you still get hundreds of thousands of possible compatible combinations.



Funny how this thread ended up... Grow On Dudes! There is safety in number

[I added the above line with the link back to the glossary... _everything_ else is the way I found it. Nan]