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Burnt (Burnt)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 - 04:00 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

do you need to store mimosa hostillis in a refrigerator or freezer to preserve alkaloids? even if its dried??
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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no.
not if it's kept intact.

Namaste


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Burnt (Burnt)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 - 04:17 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thanks hip. i was just wondering because an extraction was attempted and the yeild was quite small. im trying to figure out what went wrong. well actually theres a ton of crystals on the evaporating dish still its just very difficult getting them off so im really not sure what the yeild is. im trying to figure out if i did something wrong or not. i dont think i messed up anywhere along the procedure because everything that was supposed to happen did happen up until i evap the naptha. the polar wash is the only step where i get some trouble with emulsions so i was wondering if im doing that step wrong? i can explain more about what was done does anyone have any expereince with this?

(Message edited by Burnt on June 30, 2004)
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swine (Swine)
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How much did you use? I extracted from an OZ and only got about 2 good doses...
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Burnt (Burnt)
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88 grams. so more then an oz. maybe i didnt extract good enough. like when i was heating the acid water with the bark. how did you do that part? i just put in 300 ml of the solution and heated it up for an hour or so. what i should have done is boiled the water then put it on the bark but i didnt. im not sure how much of a difference that would make though.
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C flat (Cauthen)
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Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 01:06 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How much do these roots fetch? I literally have a near endless supply if I wanted to go fuck some trees up.
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polly ester (Carcenogenic)
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Posted on Sunday, July 04, 2004 - 11:55 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

mimosa hostillis is the one they are talking about, it's different from the mimosa that has pink flowers and bean pod's and grows in america, hostillis is from mexico and brazil i think.


but hey, maybe your in mexico or brazil but i would guess from your flag that you aren't.
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Lord of the Khemenu (Thoth)
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i can explain more about what was done does anyone have any expereince with this?

I hope you where not trying to wash the emulsion. You should wash the naptha, after it seperates, once in a weak solution of sodium carbonate and DH2O, then 2 more times in DH20. It will be as clear as water. Just shake it and seperate your naptha. Perhaps the bigest mistake people make is that some teks say the defat step is optional, it is not.

I am working on another tek of sorts and I may be posting some info if anyone is interested. I am very interested in a recrystalazation tek that will not destroy too much of the yield.
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psycho naut (Xochipilli2012)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 07:55 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would for sure appreciate some info as my first couple attempts failed.
"Do we speak something truthful here, Giver of life?
We only dream, we only get up from the dream.
It is only like a dream...
Nobody speaks the truth here..." NAHUATL POETRY
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Burnt (Burnt)
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Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 03:40 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

fantastic planet that movies is great lord.
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Lord of the Khemenu (Thoth)
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I would for sure appreciate some info as my first couple attempts failed.

Take notes next time, thats the only way you will know for shure. What kind of problems did you have? Getting the emusion to seperate? or Did you not get any spice after evaporation?

(Message edited by thoth on August 14, 2004)
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Burnt (Burnt)
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Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 04:03 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i believe my main problem was alkaloids not being extracted into the acidic solution in first place. for how long do you extract for and at what temperature.
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Lord of the Khemenu (Thoth)
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Just use a crock pot set on low. Use an acid DH2O mix with a PH of between 4 and 5. Always use DH20..

Grind the stuff as fine as you can get it, cook for 8 hours in the crock pot the first time, then cook again for 4 hours in DH2O that is of a PH between 4 and 5. Buy a large porcelin roasting pan, the kind one would cook a turkey in. If you can find one made of glass that is better yet. Use that to do the final reduction at the lowest setting your oven will go, I would not go more than 200 F. This is what I would do if I where planning to extract the DMT in a dream.

If you just want to make an Ayahuasca analog, 25 ml of white vinager per liter of DH20 has worked well. The key is not to be in a hurry.. Take your time.

Your problem probably had more to do with PH and impurities in your water if you did not use DH20.
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Burnt (Burnt)
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Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 02:43 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yea distilled water is key especially around me because the tap water has enough chlorine in it to kill a horse. i guess time was my main issue. cause when i theoretically tried to extract i got some crystals. plus everything else went fine so id bet the alkaloids were still in the bark. thanks for advice.
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 01:26 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

slightly acidic water is ok,
they use river water in the amazon

Namaste


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Lord of the Khemenu (Thoth)
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 01:55 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"i guess time was my main issue. cause when i theoretically tried to extract i got some crystals. plus everything else went fine so id bet the alkaloids were still in the bark. thanks for advice."

You are welcome. There are a lot of little tips are far as the extraction goes. I have been spending the past 2 months, in my dreams, playing with differant teks, and alot of the advise I have found on differant forums. If you decide to give it another go post your notes here if you have any problems and I will do my best to share my own knowlege. It would be nice to see a non technical, tried and true tek here regarding the mimosa extraction. In my opinion a Glass Separatory Funnel and a Buchner Funnel kit are a must. Ebay is your friend if you do not have these items.

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Hippie3 (Admin)
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 02:11 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

alot of the advise I have found on differant forums



care to name a few ?
other than ayahuasca.com ?


Namaste


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Burnt (Burnt)
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Post Number: 222
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 08:37 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yea in my theoretical experiments i used sep funnel. i have a buchner funnel n all that goes with it including microfilters. except i lacked a sufficient vacuum so i couldnt use it and i wound up using cheese cloth which was terrible. i just recently bought a hand vacuum pump so im looking forward to doing more theoretical work.
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Lord of the Khemenu (Thoth)
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 09:12 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"care to name a few ?
other than ayahuasca.com ? "

http://dmt.lycaeum.org/
alt.drugs.chemistry
rec.drugs.psychedelic
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f =48
http://www.island.org/community/login.asp
alt.drugs.dmt

There are a few more that operate like the old "fidonet" list mail service. sort of like private usenet groups. I have only got into one but I have seen references to more.


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Lord of the Khemenu (Thoth)
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 09:16 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"i just recently bought a hand vacuum pump so im looking forward to doing more theoretical work."

That would be a major asset to you theoretical work.

It is also wise to preform a defat, even though there are some teks that say this is not needed. I have seen a waxy, oily film on the mimosa when it is in the DH20. Sort of like what you get when you let a cup of tea cool and set.

(Message edited by thoth on August 16, 2004)
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Burnt (Burnt)
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 10:05 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

theoretically yea defat is something i think is too important to skip. i had little to no emulsions when defatting however when i was doing the polar wash (after basifying) with a slighty basic DH2O solution i had a problem with emulsions that wouldnt settle out. do u find this step nessecary? if so any recommendations.
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Lord of the Khemenu (Thoth)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 12:15 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What tek where you doing?

After you have reduced, decanted and filtered you mimosa extractions dont shake the funnel. It will create a frothy mess. Just tate the cap on the funnel and turn it end over end for 20 minutes. You should turn it upside down and open the valve to let the pressure out every few minutes also.

Then what you need is a bucket large enough to place the whole funnel in, and narrow enough so that it does not fall over. Put hot tap water in the bucket and put the funnel in it, cover the bucket with a towle so the water does not cool too fast. For me at least I have found this to break emulsions very rapidly. I have never had to use salt etc.

You should defat at least 2 times.

After you basify you should add the naptha and mix it the same way I described above with the wash. The naptha should be warmed using a hot water bath before you put it in.

Once the emulsions seperates you remove the naptha and preform the above 2 more times.

Then you wash the naptha you collected after cleaning out the funnel. Do the first wash with just a pinch of sodium carbonate and the next 2 with plain DH20. I never realy understood the washing part untill I found this tek: http://www.deepthought.us/dmt/

Lots of good info in that tek. There are many things explained that seem left out of other teks.
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Burnt (Burnt)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 02:04 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

that tek looks good. i didnt really use any tek just kinda read a shit load and used a few as guides. i understand the theory behind the extraction. but its just like organic lab u fuck up the first few times. then u figure out all the details. ill have to post notes tho i just dont want to till my cast is removed in just 6 more days yay!!
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Lord of the Khemenu (Thoth)
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LOL! Thats why you need to keep notes. It helps to be able to backtrack and see what went wrong.

I also understand the theory, and the procedures. But when it came down to actualy doing the extraction hands on, there was alot of mimosa wasted.

Now I seem to have all of that down, in my dreams, I just do not get the recrystalazation process. There seems to be alot of confusion regarding this. Some say the loss of spice does not make it worthwile, some say the purity of product makes it worthwile. Who knows..

Good luck on that cast!
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Burnt (Burnt)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 08:53 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yea recrystalizing is always tough. i remember in school id get a good yeild off something and then id go to recrystalize the product and id get like no product back. used to piss me off waste of like 4 hours. anyway what solvent did you use to recrystalize?
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Thoth (Indred_cold)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 01:11 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This one:

http://archives.mycotopia.net/discussite/article.php?37.255

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