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Leprachaun (Leprachaun)
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Posted on Sunday, July 04, 2004 - 11:33 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I brewed up 27g cielo vine and 25g pv. I got a little over and hour of mild tripping. I think the vine was weak.

I realised that I am an innocent person. All the bad things I have thought, said and done throughout my life are due to sickness.
Sickness causes evil. I realised it is not my fault I am sick. If I was well I wouldn't have done any of these things.

I noticed that my guilt about these things increased nausea. As an experiment, I mentally focused all my guilt into my stomach contents and induced a big puke.

I felt hugely better afterwards, both physically and spiritually. I used the puke to symbolically purge the guilt from my soul and it worked very well.
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Good use of the purge Leprachaun !
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Leprachaun (Leprachaun)
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Had another aya trip last night.

One hour before dosing, I took 3 Kwells travel sickness tablets ( 300mcg hyoscine hydrobromide x 3 ). They worked very well to reduce nausea although I was still fairly sick. The ain benefit was that I didn't retch at all, which is normal for me. The drawbacks were that they made my eye focusing go a bit funny and I felt sleepy during the trip. I will use them from now on but probably only take 2.

They trip was quite strong but it was only a dmt trip. The vine was weak again and not powerful to mould the dmt into a meaningful shining trip, oh well! There was the odd ocasional aya vibe, middle eastern this time.

I got jolts in my hands for a while, plus hearing big explosions and sudden blasts of volume. Nice psychedelic visuals, saw 2 leopards playing together.

I think a potent dose of aya is naturally nauseating due to the alkaloids being so bitter and caustic to the tongue and stomach. I don't believe it is due to the acid or tannin although they would play a small part. I now see the bitterness as being unavoidable because it is mainly due to the alkaloids themselves.

You have to suffer for your visions and it is simply tough shit.

Hippie3,
Did you say that your first ever brew was made with lemon juice, and that it was your best ever brew, and it also made you the sickest? Potency=sickness=super trip :-)
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Redmonk (Redmonk)
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Plenty of light , but not enough force eh ? I agree, sometimes we do have to suffer for our visions . I've noticed that staying very relaxed and a little marijuana cuts back on the nausea considerably . Do you have some icaros to sing ? This also is a great tool to have in your kit . Shannon says ( in his ground-breaking book "Antipodes of the Mind") that many times as he was opening his mouth to vomit , he would instead pour music out . I've always held a great deal of respect for one who , despite severe nausea and dud brews , continues on undaunted in their quest for the visionary experience . You are an intrepid traveler !
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quote:

I realised that I am an innocent person.




of course we are.
yeah,
lemon juice it was,
i used like 4-5 times as much as i needed
so it was SOUR to say the least.
lol
i think, friend,
you just need to increase
your caapi ratio
to about twice that of the leaves.
say 60 grams caapi and 30 g's viridis
i think you'll find you'll like better.
and you can use even more caapi if desired.
but remember the MAOI aspect
before using any OTC drugs,
i think you'd do better to
just ride the wave naturally.

Namaste


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quote:

I now see the bitterness as being unavoidable because it is mainly due to the alkaloids themselves



most of the bitteness
is the tannins,
and they can be neutralized
by the addition of proteins.
a bit of milk in the brew will improve flavor.
wine brewing supply firms also see
chems that will neutralize the tannins.

Namaste


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Leprachaun (Leprachaun)
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Hi Redmonk
I still haven't received any icaros yet. Have you received any? I have occasionally heard very beautiful mellow "bell music" that sounded like a slower version of those carribbean drums made out of barrels. Do you dose much nowadays yourself?

Hippie3
I would love to try 50g or more of bc. My very first brew was super with 25g bc, but I think that vine batch was unusually strong. If my first brew hadn't shone the way it did, I would probably have given up on aya a long time ago. I'm waiting on a new shipment of vine. The stuff I have left seems to be medium to low potency. I might just use the bark off it in one last big dose to finish it off. The bark seems to be at least twice as potent as the core by weight, and is much easier to prepare for the pot.

Tannin doesn't explain why the pv brew gets increasingly bitter near the end, unless some of the tannin somehow crystallizes out into the sediment. I must look up tannin neutralizer. Have you tried it yourself and how effective is it? How did your last brew go or is it still in the crock pot? :-)

(Message edited by leprachaun on July 10, 2004)
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my current brew is nearly finished,
i often take a week or even longer
to finish the job.
i have used a tablespoon of powdered dry milk in my last several brews to help neutralize the tannins and i think it helps alot. i add it after i boil the brew down to a few ounces.

Namaste


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Leprachaun (Leprachaun)
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What kind of acid do you use nowadays, and in what quantity?
How many extractions do you do?
How do you filter?

I use vinegar, about 50ml per 25g herbs in each extraction. I do 2 extractions.
I use 2-stage filtering. First through a medium grade sieve, and then through a permanent coffee filter.
It is quicker and easier than trying to pour it all straight through a fine filter.
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i can't stand vinegar,
don't like the hassle of hcl
so i'm back to lemon juice,
just a lot less than before.
just enough to get the ph down to about 5.5 or so
i run the brew thru twice on each batch of materials and
use a hand-powered vacume pump w/paper filter for finishing, first filter is just cheesecloth.


Namaste


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Leprachaun : Haven't dosed in recent months , but planning on it sometime in August . Have been visiting the Mushroom in high doses in between .
On the subject of icaros . About a year ago I went through a series of mushroom journeys where I would automatically begin piping a wide variety of tones out of my mouth , including some that normally I would never be able to reach . It brought about the direct feeling that I was almost being "tuned" . In any case , it felt great . Then some type of gate was opened and I began singing a wide variety of melodies.....in fact , it was as if the music was constantly playing in my head , and difficult to "shut off" ! My wife actually got quite tired of the continual whistling and humming .
But some of the melodies that came through ( during Mushrooms or Ayahuasca ) were quite beautiful and special . Are they really icaros ? I don't feel qualified to say . I did have one interesting "confirmation" experience though : One day I was playing a melody on my guitar that I had heard with Mushrooms the previous evening . My wife (who does not condone entheogenic exploration) stuck her head in the room and asked what was that beautiful song I was playing . I looked up....not quite sure how to respond . My 6 year old daughter , whom I hadn't noticed was standing by me , listening , anwered my wife's question thus : " It's a mushroom song. " . My wife gave me a funny look and I went back to playing .
During the next "phase" of trips I posed a direct question : How can I best utilize these songs ? I soon recieved an answer . I went in a little too deep (Mushrooms) one night and started to get that panic-type feeling . I also knew that I would continue to be "ramping up" for at least another hour . As my body and room seemed to quickly be disintegrating , I begin to sing a melody that I previously only had fragments of . Now it was coming through whole . As I completely became engulfed in the visionary realm , it was as if my spirit entered into the song..... as if I were in some type of metaphorical protective vehicle . Many frightening landscapes and creatures were clamoring into my visionary space , but the melody continued to carry me through unscathed . I was no longer afraid . Here's the amazing thing : When the song ended , it left me in an indescribably beautiful , enchanted realm . I then realized that the melody was the only way to enter this place ! Imagine an enchanted castle nestled high atop a remote mountaintop ....heaven, if you will. Imagine that for thousands of miles in every direction were all manner of black forests filled with hideous demons , morphing landscapes threatening to swallow you up , in essence , everything beyond your wildest nightmares . The melody carried me safely through this space and left me high up on the mountaintop, an oasis of ineffable bliss .....rising up high above the hellish terrain that spread out as far as the eye could see .
Nowadays I use these melodies to not only steer my voyages in a positive direction , but as a means to exhalt the infinite divine . I don't know if they are "healing" me , but one thing is for sure : It feels so amazingly good to sing them back out into the world . At it's best , It feels as if you are purely an instrument , an interface between realms in an infinite continuum , allowing these wondrous tones to pass through your vocal chords and echo out into this world .
Another question that I've been posing lately is : "How can I can I carry some of this magic back with me into ordinary , mundane , everyday existance ? I love this so much , but I need to incorporate this into my nomal , waking consciosness ." Here also an answer has presented itself . I have recently discovered that if I earnestly sing these melodies , while totally "straight" , I can expand my consciousness to similarly beautiful spaces . On a good night at least !
These songs are very special and very personal to me . They are not for public performance , and they are completely ineffective if sung self-consciously , or to impress someone . A love song between you and the universe . I'm not sure if they're traditional icaros from the plant kingdom......but I know that I'll be continuing to explore the amazing relationship between music and the visionary realm for many years to come .
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The heart beat of the world is music.


- BB

Some music would be nice right about now.

Don't you think?

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The Gnome (Grimblegrumble)
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I swear by phosphoric acid...
It's all I've ever used, but certainly has worked everytime I can keep the brew down long enough.
So it goes...
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were do you get these um herbs and stuff from
Life is one big road with lots of signs. So when you riding through the ruts, don't complicate your mind. Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy. Don't bury your thoughts, put your vision to reality . Wake Up and Live!

Bob Marley
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look thru our list of sponsors,
icaros and bouncing bear and iamshaman
all carry 'herbs'.

Namaste


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Leprachaun (Leprachaun)
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Hippie3
My method of filtering lets through a good bit of fine sediment and I consider it to be the most potent part of the brew. However I only cook for 6 hours total. You are cooking for about a week and you vacuum filter which I presume would leave virtually no sediment.

Do you think you loose any potency by filtering so fine? Maybe by cooking for so long you get all the alkaloids properly soluble and the pass through. Is it really worth the extra cooking time?

Also, how much ml of lemon juice in 500ml water would make it 5.5ph? I use 50 ml vinegar in 500ml purified water for every 25-30g herbs in each extraction for each plant. Thats 100ml vinegar total each for bc and pv brews. I have no idea what ph it is.

Redmonk
I got plenty of musical and poetry ideas on shrooms too. Its funny that I got none on aya yet but it may happen eventually.


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quote:

Do you think you loose any potency by filtering so fine? Maybe by cooking for so long you get all the alkaloids properly soluble and the pass through. Is it really worth the extra cooking time?




i think so.
when i try fast extractions
i get many more 'duds'
so i went back to nice and slow.
i may lose a little filtering
but that sediment is full of tannins
and that's where the purge comes from, imo.



Namaste


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quote:

Also, how much ml of lemon juice in 500ml water would make it 5.5ph?



depends on initial ph of your water,
my tapwater is very high ph [12+]
so i have to use quite a bit.
another thing i've learned is that the
ph creeps back up over time
so i often have to add a bit more once the brewing is underway.
a decent digi ph pen is helpful.


Namaste


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quote:

A love song between you and the universe



i once saw the angels dancing and singing their universal love song before god.
a vision i'll never forget.

Namaste


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Leprachaun (Leprachaun)
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I also live in a very hard water area. Washed dishes left to dry end up with loads of white lime powder all over them.

I always use purified water because it is ph 7 to start with. I dread to think how much vinegar I would have to use with tap water to get the same level of acidification as with purified water. I get 5-litre bottles in a pharmacy for 3-4 euro, although one asshole charged me 8 eure.

Also I would be worried about pesticide traces etc in tap water which are concentrated when reducing. And when they are finally consumed with the maoi they could be distinctly toxic.

I gave up on the idea of using a ph meter because they are so complicated to use properly. The electrodes are supposed to be stored in a buffered solution. And the temp of the liquid being tested can throw off the reading.
After each use, the electrodes have to be cleaned with a special solution. And between each test the electrode has to be put back in a buffer solution. And you have to keep changing the buffer solution regularly. And the electrode also wears out and you need another calibrated ph meter to judge that.
I think you need different electrodes stored in different buffer slotions for testing acid and alkaline liquids. I think there were other precautions which I have forgotten.

I prefer to keep it simple and measure acidity by the amount added to a set amount of purified water. I use 10% vinegar solution ( 50ml in 500ml ).
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the digi ph pens aren't that hard to use or maintain, i've had a few over the years, just store using a tissue soaked in distilled water
calibrate with distilled too.


Namaste


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Leprachaun (Leprachaun)
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I drank another brew which I was fairly sure had a reasonably strong vine dose, but the trip was weak. I used 2 Kwells this time. I drank it fairly slow but when I ate some food to make it kick in, the effect was minimal.

I think the hyoscine relaxed my digestive system so much that the bile wasnt released from my liver. What a bummer. Tiredness due to the hyoscine was still a problem. I wont be using hyoscine again. I bet my last brew was potent too but the hyoscine fucked it up. Argh!!!

Back to the drawing board. I might try stuff called Motilum (domperidone) next. It is an anti-emetic which works b reducing the sensitivity of the chemoreceptor trigger zone in the brain which stimulates the vomiting centre. It also speeds up the emptying of the stomach into the small intestine which would be a good thing.
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i think you're wasting energy trying to beat the purge that way,
try the dry powdered milk as i suggested.

Namaste


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Leprachaun (Leprachaun)
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Unfortunately dairy products seriously disagree with me so that is out the window. I'll give motilium a shot and if it makes no difference then I'll go back to drinking it straight. It is strange stuff. So hard to figure out. Every time I take it the trip takes a different course. I think an Aya Tek is a long way off. Brewing is only one part of the story.
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since dairy's out
try unflavored gelatin instead,
almost pure protein.
or go to a wine making store,
they carry stuff to neutralize tannin in wine.

Namaste


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from what i understand.the purge is part of how the medicine acts.i think thats how the evil gets out of my body.at least thats one of the ways

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