? ? ? (Killdannow)
|Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 03:49 pm:||
Has anyone been succesful with substituting dung for straw in this kinda tek?
Also anyone try this tek? are you impressed,whats your opinion, etc?
|Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 04:15 pm:||
i've tried it a few times, worked ok except for the time i let it get too wet, and got bacteria in it.
|Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 07:57 pm:||
Straw is going to give you more nutrition and doesn't contam easily...If you don't want to get a huge bale you can get a little mini bale of straw right now at Walmart in the craft department...
Last month I took one of my straw pillow cases (weighed 12lbs) and used it to spawn 90lbs of Dehydrated Manure and 1/2 bale of straw in a raised bed....I am getting my first flush right now...
I am not sure how many people have tried the pillow cases...but believe me they work...
? ? ? (Killdannow)
|Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 01:58 pm:||
how did you pasteurize so much?
or are you just hoping that you used enough spawn to kick things into high gear?
So you use dehydrated manure? I thought I read on here not to use that, only to use composted? Only reason i say anything is cuz im having my own poo problem, but ill save that for another post.
All in all sounds great vis. I just read a few threads here and there where people say straw contams way easier than poo.
|Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 02:43 pm:||
dehydrated manure that isn't just fresh that's been fast dried is perfect, naturally composted anyway.
the thing with straw is it has to colonize fast, any delay and you've got problems.
|Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 03:56 am:||
I turned my water heater all the way up...it got to 155*....Boiled extra water in my PC..about 3gal...Added about 5tbs Hydrated lime(Hoffmans)to the water...Took a 35gal trash can and lined it with 2 clear lawn and leaf trash bags...Layered in unchopped straw and Manure...Put most of the bag of Manure on top of the straw to hold it down...Brought that can into my kitchen...Put the sprayer hose into the can and turned on the hot water...Adding a little of the boiling water as it filled up...Squeezed out the air as I tied it closed in a knot...Dragged that heavy sucker back outside...Put the lid on and gave it a couple of hours to sit or so...nothing precise here...Drained...let cool...Repeated this a few times with other trash cans...Then I made a straw & Manure raised bed with it outside...I decided to try a raised be so that it would get plenty of air and any excess water would drain off...Lucky for me the house I just bought had an old metal glidding bench with 1" holes all over it...Took my 12lb of straw spawn in my pillow case and layered it with the straw & Manure...Very simple...Open Air...Washed my hands...but I am sure they weren't clean by the time I got started... It did take longer than I thought to fruit...about 30 days maybe a little longer...I forgot to write down the day I started it...but it looks good...
If you read my posts about the pillow cases you will see where I left a pasturized straw filled pillow case out on my deck for at least 20 days and it didn't contam...Then I took that pillow case and spawned it with a cake...well that is the pillow case I used to spawn this raised bed.
? ? ? (Killdannow)
|Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 08:51 pm:||
visions , can we see pics???
|Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 09:29 pm:||
I tried posting some but the digitalpics.us site isn't working right...
I did pick my first Hawiian from the raised bed just now...
When that sight works again I will post a picture...
Before you use the pillow cases read everything I wrote on how to use them several times...it's very easy and straw doesn't contam easily after it is pasturized...
You can fruit it out of the pillow cases or better yet dump it into an aluminum pan and case it with verm...poke very small holes(pin holes) in the bottom of the pan so it will breath and excess moisture won't build up and start a contam problem...give it plenty of air flow...contams start when there isn't enough air...
Imok Urok2 (Imok)
|Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 02:42 am:||
Hey Visions, you don't have to wait, Hip turned the pic posting back on.
Just put the description in the box below and click on
add picture formating button.
The click on the preview/post button at the bottom.
On the next screen click on post and you will get a screen
that will let you browse your computer and select the pic you
want to upload, click on upload and it is here.
Just use testing to practice and you will find it is simple.
Hope this helps
|Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 07:44 am:||
? ? ? (Killdannow)
|Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 04:47 pm:||
Is that mature? or did you pick right after/before the veil broke? you cant really see that part in the pic.
I just ask because of the weight, I mean if that veil just broke, theres prolly a dose there for 7 people(at 2 g) HOLY SHIT THATS GREAT.
seeing shrooms like that makes me want follow your directions word for word.
Dirty Wop (Anotherdirtywop)
|Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 05:10 pm:||
"...nothing precise here...Drained...let cool..."
Well...if you don't mind, be precise. I've wanted to try this technique, but I haven't found an easy way to drain 160 degree water from a VERY heavy metal trash can, without complications. If you would detail how you did that, that'll be great...
"It weighed....137.3g "
Whoa....christ, it doesn't look it!
Is the raised bed outdoors?
|Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 11:05 pm:||
When I said nothing precise here I meant you don't have to be perfect...Gerneral cleanliness and aprox temps to pasturize...Get it close...do it fast...
DirtyWop...Follow Mycofile's tek and put the garbage can in the bathtub and pasturize then drain into the tub...Spawn with whatever you have...
Most likely it's getting too cold to start outdoors...so you will need a way to fruit inside...
This is what I am going to do as my raised bed outside starts to fizzle out...Get some large laundry baskets and drill some small holes in the bottom...then pasturize straw & Manure and layer it into the baskets using the mycelium from the raised bed as spawn...As I layer it I will put more Manure around the sides to case it then put 3/4" Manure on top...Pack it down...It doesn't have to be perfectly covered with Manure...DONT COVER IT with Plastic or anything else!...More Air=Less Contams...Now don't be silly and do this or leave it in an old moldy basement...the more fresh air the better...Don't water it until it is close to fruiting...Straw holds lots of water and too much will slow it down and anything else you add could be adding something you don't want to grow...
Here are a few general suggestions that I wish someone told me when I started...
#1)Build a Filtered Presure Box and do all your injecting,cloning and transfers in that box! I use a 6"..250CFM inline duct fan from home depot($20) I had to alter the fan a little...the fan in the duct leaves too much space between the duct and the fan blades so what I did is get some 3/4"Wide X 1/2"thick Self Adhesive Sponge tape Weatherstrip from Walmart and stuck the weatherstrip as close to the fan blades as possible and doubled it in thickness...if you don't the fan will push the air into the filter and bounce back...I got an Ultra MicroFilter by Filtrete from home depot taped on both ends(don't unfold the pleats in the filter)and a plastic tub from Walmart($6) with (2) 3 1/2" arm holes cut out...
#2)Don't grow or fruit from cakes...too much trouble for the results...more problems than it's worth
#3)Use Qt jars with Grains(I use Hard Winter Wheat Berries)....Start with your spores or Much Better Yet---Do grain to grain trasfers or if you have some cakes do cakes to grain transfers...All in that pressure box...When you do transfers to grains even though you are working in that box it's not perfect so it is best to take a bottle of hydrogen Peroxide on put a spray nozzle on it and give your grains one or two quick mists before you make your transfer...Now by doing this you have gone from about 21days using spores to start with to about 7days for complete colonized jars...So So So Much Easier!!!
#4)For all your Qt jars including liquid culture Use Filter Disks,Polyfil or use the extra Filtrete Ultra Microfilter and cut into small squares(you can get anywhere from 300-400sq out of a whole Filter...I have been using them and they work good and they are easy to use...just tape over the hole...I make the holes in my jars 3/4" round...
#5)Use Completely Colonized Spawn(whatever you use)to Spawn onto Straw & Manure
#6)Make your straw bed at least 8" deep and wide...If it's open on the sides like my Laundry basket will be it will need to be twice as wide or atleast 16" wide...In other words 8" Square...More is better...bigger fruits...less comtam problems...less moisture problems(a large pile won't dry out as quick and will be more consistant in temperature...
Lucky#7)Air Flow...More Air=Less Contams
Don't waste spores!...Have some caps that open all the way...Well Good!...Take them to your kitchen sink and use the sprayer and spray that cap forcefully with cold water and force out those spores into a bowl...OH!! You say they aren't sterile! No kidding!...You don't need them to be!...Only if you use them in an inclosed space will it need to be sterile!...Like I said before...Less Air=More Contams...Give them Air!!!...Toss them into a compost pile outside or just spread them around your World!
I have 3gal of spore water just like this that is a thick purple from my flush today...I think Iam going to reseed my lawn...What will I need(Grass Seed and Straw to cover it and Manure to enrich the soil...Hummm...Get my drift?...
Anyway here are a couple more pics...
Wheat Berries Qt Jar
Hawiian 1st Flush one cluster
|Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 11:14 pm:||
Damn...I left out Straw to Staw transfers...This is what I did this summer...Straw to Straw outside...Just reached into one pile and grabbed a hunk and tossed it into another pile...didn't even wash my hands...And I think I picked my nose..LOL
You will soon learn that fresh Air is the Key!
Imok Urok2 (Imok)
|Posted on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 02:06 am:||
|Posted on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 08:22 am:||
How do you grow on wheat berries? Do you use a filler like verm? Do you cook them first? How much water do you use? Sorry 4 all the questions, newbie heer, and I'm amazed at that pic!!
|Posted on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 12:14 am:||
DarkStar...you have much to learn!!! LOL....Look up Grain teks...
|Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 06:54 am:||
would love to try an outdoor bed.. but im guessing the snow and permafrost im about to receive will hamper me somewhat ... . but i do agree with you on the fresh air...