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Cleanjar (Cleanjar)
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Post Number: 1291
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 06:38 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hi

there is an abundance of Spanish Moss that grows on the trees near me,

i want to do some project with it, as i have already harvested a few pounds of it..

i was thinking of trying to just substitute the moss for the wheat straw..
-do a 12 hour water/bleach bath with the moss
-and then squeeze as much moisture out as i can
-and then spawn the wild bird seed (cubensis) to the moss..
and put it in plastic bags
and wait to see it colonize..

i wonder if it will work.
if it does than i have unlimited amounts of moss and not have to buy straw again..

i wonder if it would still work if no water/bleach bath pasturization was done..

any comments are much appreaciated

im going to try this experiment in the next day or so

thnx

oh and i also wonder about substituting the wheat straw with old dried up palm tree leaves..

thnx

oh and another fascinating thing about the Spanish Moss that i learned in a "Plant Morphology" class;
-if you dip the moss into water and then view under a microscope, the moss glows a strange neon green color.
-when the moss is dry, its color is the same under the microscope.

spanish moss is great for holding in moisture

i would even think that it could be used as a substitute for perlite at the bottom of terraniums for extra humidity.

i urge other people to experiment with these ideas also

thnx
candle burns, so slow,
moonlight, eastern glow.
white frost air, in the month of june,
descending sheets, of icing bloom.
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perpetually LOST (Lost_onabbey_rd)
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Post Number: 253
Registered: 12-2003
Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 06:51 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

sounds cool. only thing i would think might be a problem would be the PH with that stuff. and maybe all sorts of mold spores and on it... i know ticks love that crap. good luck though :-) i too thought about dryed plam tree leaves when i was in FL this summer. all i can really say is have fun with the experiments, you never know till you try :-)
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GOLLY (Golly)
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Post Number: 39
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 08:47 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Def worth trying,Mycelium jus love fiberouse stuff in the mix..It should break down slowly enough to maintain a good texture.One idea maybe to soak in a manure tea so yer fungus can feed on it as it grows.Of course that would mean u would have to pasturize rather than bleach bath.Let us know what happens...Why import substrate from 1000 miles away when u can use something in yer own back yard ...........EH..!!1
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Soliver (Soliver)
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Post Number: 1421
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 09:00 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cleanjar rises from the trash yet again!
What is this, like, 2 times in as many weeks?
Whoah Cleanjar!

The biggest problem with harvesting Spanish Moss
is the bugs and shit growing in it.

I used to use it in my houseplants and yard for mulch before
my big move last year.
Wondered why I kept getting chiggers . . .

Wanna guess where they were coming from?

Spanish moss looks cool in trees (esp while tripping)
but I find it's best left there, unless it's taking
over the tree entirely, which happens sometimes.

let us know how that works out for you,
spray some OFF on,
watch for them chiggers,

:-)

soliver
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Cleanjar (Cleanjar)
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Post Number: 1294
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:53 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thanks for the replies friends.

'never knew about the chiggers,
and i havent had any problems with them yet
ive got the moss on my lanai (screened in porch).

i started the experiment already,
just with a little bit..
it's soaking in the bleach/water bath
for maybe 8-12 hours,
then i'll squeeze as much water off i can,
then spawn it with half a quart of
fully colonized WBS,
at a 1 to 4 ratio,
then put the mixture into a
gallon ziplock bag
poke a dozen holes in the bag
and let it sit in a clean clear rubber bin
for as long as it takes to see results.

i have high hopes for it to work well
for some reason.

it seems like a perfect substrate instead
of the wheat straw...

damn, ive got a bug, i think im going to
do some work in the kitchen today and
start some jars..

thanks everyone,

any other comments are much appreciated.
candle burns, so slow,
moonlight, eastern glow.
white frost air, in the month of june,
descending sheets, of icing bloom.
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Cleanjar (Cleanjar)
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Post Number: 1295
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:56 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

oh and another experiment i will try,
is to do the water/bleach bath with the moss
after about 8-12 hours then squeeze water off,
then just put it at the bottom of a terranium,
substituting it for perlite,
to make humidity in the grow chamber...
candle burns, so slow,
moonlight, eastern glow.
white frost air, in the month of june,
descending sheets, of icing bloom.
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Soliver (Soliver)
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Post Number: 1433
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 02:58 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Let us know how it pans out for your cleanjar
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rodger rabbit (Skyypilot)
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Post Number: 3669
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 06:51 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yea..let us know. Thanks for the wild cope print by the way. No contam on it. How the hell did you do that?
"Whatever it is, that girl put a spell on me". . .jimi hendrix
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Cleanjar (Cleanjar)
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Post Number: 1300
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Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 05:21 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

RR, looks good man.. looks real good!

the spanish moss seems to be acceptable so-far.
-after one day the mycelium is already recovering.

'will keep everyone updated.
candle burns, so slow,
moonlight, eastern glow.
white frost air, in the month of june,
descending sheets, of icing bloom.
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Cleanjar (Cleanjar)
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Post Number: 1332
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 05:47 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

well the bag is half colonized.

the moss still looks wet though
i wonder if the mycelium is just
spreading or if it is actually
eating the moss.
im not sure yet.

it should be fully colonized in a couple days
maybe 3-4 days more.
then ill put it into a fruiting chamber
or something...
candle burns, so slow,
moonlight, eastern glow.
white frost air, in the month of june,
descending sheets, of icing bloom.
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perpetually LOST (Lost_onabbey_rd)
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Post Number: 276
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Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 06:56 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

what would be even cooler then a polar bear's toenails would be some PICS :-) did you passturize it just like straw? can't wait to see some pics
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Cleanjar (Cleanjar)
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Post Number: 1355
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 02:45 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

perpetually Lost,

i did a 12 hour bleach/water bath
pasturization method, using this
container, and then re-used the
same container to sit the bag after
spawning.
-it has a little polyfilter where
you pour the drink from normally.

here are the pics,
it should be ready to come out of the
bag and into a fruiting chamber
within another day or two.

+ note: it seems to be working
excellent so far!~

Upload
Upload

nothings ensconced nothings entrenched
nothings entangled or twisted or wrenched
everything smoothly flows right through my head.
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Cleanjar (Cleanjar)
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Post Number: 1356
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Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 02:49 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the spanish moss seems to work
superior....
the mycelium is a Texas strain.

'hope everyone understands my
explaination and it isn't too
choppy of a description.
nothings ensconced nothings entrenched
nothings entangled or twisted or wrenched
everything smoothly flows right through my head.
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Cleanjar (Cleanjar)
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Post Number: 1357
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Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 02:52 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

after the 12hour bleach/water bath,
the moss had perfect moisture content.
-the water all dripped off,
and didn't really even squeeze any
extra water out after squeezing...

it's retained perfect moisture
throughout the process..
-also no water collects on the
bottom of the container.

it seems to be working excellente!~
nothings ensconced nothings entrenched
nothings entangled or twisted or wrenched
everything smoothly flows right through my head.
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jasontokes (Jasontokes)
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Post Number: 55
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 03:29 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

holy crap, i need to try that, do you have anymore recent pics up ?
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Cleanjar (Cleanjar)
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Post Number: 1361
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Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 04:09 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

haha, pretty cool huh? :-)
nothings ensconced nothings entrenched
nothings entangled or twisted or wrenched
everything smoothly flows right through my head.
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I_am_me (I_am_me)
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Post Number: 2594
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Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 05:55 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Very nice! As a matter of fact for my first time I can say archive material ! Woohoo. Thats very cool...keep us updated. Do you just plan to spread it out and case it? Maybe case on and try to fruit the other as a big cake? Very cool!
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doc34 (Doc34)
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Post Number: 97
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Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 11:13 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How cool is this? lol
Well now, I must climb my trees and harvest this moss.
Very cool indeed!
Good job!
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 01:26 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

interesting work, CJ.
is spanish moss the same thing as spagnum moss ?

Namaste


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CurryShroomer (Curryshroomer)
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Post Number: 263
Registered: 07-2004
Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 01:33 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

is spanish moss the same thing as spagnum moss ?




Don't ppl. mean spagnum moss when they say "peat"?? At least spagnum is what I use when ppl. say peat. It's used for hanging baskets here. It's sold as additive for hanging baskets here.

I think it's a great thing to get things from nature and use it for growing mushrooms. Great thing Cleanjar :-)
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Soliver (Soliver)
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Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 02:18 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Spanish moss is like a very loosely bound coir, only
grey.
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Cleanjar (Cleanjar)
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Post Number: 1363
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Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 03:20 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

here is some of the moss
Upload
it quickly turns a true green
color once it is soaked in water.

and when looking at the moss
under a microscope after being
soaked in water, it glows a little
bit, almost neon under the scope.



next step, putting it into the
fruiting chamber!~
nothings ensconced nothings entrenched
nothings entangled or twisted or wrenched
everything smoothly flows right through my head.