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Shroomzhilla (Shroomzhilla)
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Post Number: 753
Registered: 01-2003
Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 08:14 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm going to make this disclaimer here and now-I dont recomend anyone to try this unless they want to!-
I say this as an off topic humor thing, but folks at the shroomery have gone absolutely batshit pissed that I'd ever offer an Idea they never tried-yeah I know I'm banned there but since they've been down a few weeks ago I have re- registered under a different name. if they ban my new name -oh well its not worth the irritation to post anything there unless you have a zillion mushroom rateing anyway. My first thread was summarily locked outright for posting what I'm about to tell here (the reason being was I'm retarded)
ANY HOO_
I've mentioned before that I've been trying paper towel in my tubs for humidity in place of perlite, with straw cakes(5 qt icecream buckets with pasturized straw and popcorn as spawn.
these are the best results I've had since I've started this hobby. still not as good as the masters, but for a terminal newbie like me its kick ass.
I cutt away as much of the buckets lip as possible to give air and some buckets I thumped cracks all round the side for extra comfort. I leave enough lip slotted on the rim just to hold the lid down. now once I do the layer of straw and layer of spawn up to 3/4 or more pressing it all down as I go, I just let it sit till tiney pins start to appear(round ten days give or take)then its thump squeeze and shake it loose and put into my sterlight tub.
this is what gets the (I'll be nice) people at the shroomery all hostile. I put a double layer of paper towel in the bottom and saturate it with the 1:200 bleach water misting it till its soaked and then the tub sides as well. careful not to make it a soggy towel in a puddle.(did that too though)
I've recently made a hypothesis as to why this is working for me better than perlite.
first of all the wood pulp is a lot less nutrient than the cakes, while also being bleached in the paper making process. its porus and gives the water in it a chance to evaporate and condense on the lid and walls them absorb back into the towel, meaning the water is actually not stagnant if not over soaked but acting in a natural cycle like in nature. Perlite on the other hand is ,in my experience, going to have water in it that stays where it is till its use if finally ended, thus some portions of perlite are inherently stagnant.
some of the other pluses is that if a cake goes bad, you can pull it out and the surrounding paper and scrub it with a bleach soaked towel in that place without disrupting the other cakes. then replace with new paper towel.
another is the mess of perlite.(nuff said on that)
I've been getting three and four flushes off my buckets of straw each bigger than the one before(shroom size and weight) till the fourth then its just a wait and see what happens thing. Ive yet to see the paper go greenon its own, it seems like it would but Ive abused the hell out of this stuff and any mold that does start is from over a months use and first from the dead cake. I dont have a sterile place at home by any means so if I'm doing pretty good at it I just wonder where it could go if an expert gave it a try. I have a couple bags of perlite I havent opened since I got it this past spring. I havent tried this wih caseings or logs or anything other than the straw bucket cakes and one tub with a variation of growing rye grass with popcorn cakes in it. my biggest prob this last summer with that was the gnats. it really gives them a place to live. but the corn cakes still rocked.
but like I said, try it or dont its up to you. I'm just shareing what I've been up to so if anyone likes it or gets another idea from it great!
once again I LOVE THIS SITE!
I dig chicks that drag their knuckles
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Taoist Shredder (Taoistshredder)
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Post Number: 1729
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Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 02:06 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kind of reminds me of the car wreck scene in
Point Break. Of course, with all the infinite
knowledge of those charming indivisuals at The
Shroomery, if they can't figure it out then it's
just not real. Quick, bury your head in the sand!
Your memories of the past
Are no more real than
Your visions of the future
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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Post Number: 27660
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Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 02:27 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

here we've long recommended paper towels
as an alternative to perlite

i used to crowd 40-50 cakes in a shallow rubbermaid with just a few paper towels on the bottom to humidfy,
worked fine.
don't feel too badly,
shroomery banned me too
when i first posted about
my invitro and dunking teks,
other sites banned me for the bleach tek,
it's just human nature.

(Message edited by admin on November 11, 2004)

Namaste


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Rio (Rio)
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Post Number: 634
Registered: 09-2004
Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 06:48 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

other sites banned me for the bleach tek,
it's just human nature.



I am glad that Mycotopians
strive to rise above Human nature!

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mycolord (Mycolord)
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Post Number: 862
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 10:21 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if they had thought of it i guarantee they would be shoving it down your throat like the idea was the cats pajamas...dont let them get you down. with new ideas there will always be resistance from old ways. fuckem
good job man
get some god damn pics up for us bro lol
myco
thats amazing
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Shroomzhilla (Shroomzhilla)
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Post Number: 754
Registered: 01-2003
Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2004 - 05:54 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm not sweatin that hole in the internet, I just got a bit miffed over the whole attitude, then pissed cuz it miffed me lol.
I'll work on some picks bout two or three weeks from now and try to get it into some reasonable order.
I see that some places are full of people that are truely good at ripping apart and twisting a post virtually over nothing. One guy even asked why I'd post advise that would scare people?!heh I'm just gonna lurk there from now on if there a link from here to something worth waiting for my dial-up to process.
I'd like to thank the mods here for keeping the integrity of this site and even giving me a kick in the pants when I needed it.

I dig chicks that drag their knuckles
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pscillypj (Pcsillypj)
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Post Number: 548
Registered: 01-2004
Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2004 - 09:35 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


i'm interested in that
straw and popcorn in the
icecream tub thing you
have going on... the pics
will be awsome when you
post them...peace.
"I hear colors and see sounds"
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drwombatt (Drwombatt)
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Post Number: 308
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2004 - 10:33 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

im not much of a reader, are you using strictly paper towels or papertowels and a humidifier?
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Shroomzhilla (Shroomzhilla)
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Post Number: 755
Registered: 01-2003
Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2004 - 11:26 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

just paper towels, when I first started my hobby I made things way more complicated than I needed. I dont prefer caseings and just plain cakes never seem to be enough. I'm not gonna say its the way to go but its the way I chose for now. I got my straw chopped today so soon things will start to be better documented. mostley just a twist of all the things done before me.
but the paper towel thing is just so much easier than all the mess IMHO.
I dig chicks that drag their knuckles
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a.k.a. Canadian Mushroom Grower (Purefficiency)
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Post Number: 84
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Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 12:52 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nice post zhilla, I can't find perlite and you method seems worthy. Talk about good timing.
I had a strange idea the other day when I saw a fruit growing half-way-up a jar with 1" of rye in the bottom. It was attached to mycelium which was attached to the glass. Could you not colonizes a few sheets of paper towel with colonized coco coir or something and use it to line the inside walls of a container that has a casing in it? Then tuck-in the edge of paper towel to the casing and let the mycelium connect. Thus allowing mushrooms to grow on the bottom and sides of a terrarium through connected mycelium of the same isolated strain.
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 02:06 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

looking forward to the pix
i looked thru the archives and couldn't find anything saved about this
so we'll add this
archive material
to humidification teks
once you flesh it out
with a few pix and details
thx for sharing!!

Namaste


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Hippie3 (Admin)
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Post Number: 27809
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 02:07 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

I'd like to thank the mods here for keeping the integrity of this site and even giving me a kick in the pants when I needed it.



our pleasure,
esp. that kicking part!


Namaste


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Underground_Shaman (Shaman)
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Post Number: 428
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 06:19 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hip shared this tip a year or two ago.

Since then, I have only used damp paper towels to line my terrariums.

This tip is right up there with bleach and salt in my book.

I'll never use a turkey baster or perlite again.

Cool that others are having success with it.

Once again, the KISS philosophy shows its benefits.








...once in awhile you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right...
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Soliver (Soliver)
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Post Number: 1649
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 11:01 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All my casings are in big containers,
the casing just takes up the whole thing so there's
no need for perlite or towels, but this is certainly
something I'll try next time I have some cakes I
need to grow out for prints :-)
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psycho naut (Xochipilli2012)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 - 01:04 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I had some brf cakes some time ago and put them in a ziplock with some paper towels.kept the humidity perfect for me.
"Do we speak something truthful here, Giver of life?
We only dream, we only get up from the dream.
It is only like a dream...
Nobody speaks the truth here..." NAHUATL POETRY
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carda (Carda)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 - 03:15 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

After hearing about the other sites, Im glad that I found this one first.I have found nothing but excellent advice and friendly conversation in the chat. Since Im new its comforting to know that I am still welcome here. I would hate to think how I would be treated elsewhere. Thanx to all of you for being the people you are.;)
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 - 03:17 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

aw shucks...
thx


Namaste


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Shroomzhilla (Shroomzhilla)
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Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 08:33 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

From the first I noted that first and foremost goal of this site was to share thoughts and ideas. one guy even went so far as to share his experience of floating a balloon in multiple elevations with toast inside colonising(the differing gravity fooling contamns being his focus)and to everyones amusement we read it and while a lot of us really thought it was a posting just for comedic attention we (for the most part) treated the poster with a great deal of courtesey.(sp?)
whatever someones wildest fantasies in or out of their head, here we try to be agreeing to disagree if nothing else.
I'm shaking down my kids for my missing camera this week to document my views and trials to show visually what I've been trying and doing, not just for authentication since most here know that I'm a clown but not a BULLSHITTER.(At least I hope so) I've presented a lot of ideas from just a brainstorming point of view, and shared what has really screwed me up. I hope other sites take note of integerity over profit being the ultimate return in the long run.

I dig chicks that drag their knuckles
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Tempest2003 (Tempest2003)
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Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 08:42 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

how many people think hipp has too many posts? meee!
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tommyk318 (Tommyk318)
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Post Number: 46
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Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 05:53 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

so... in a rubbermaid bin, i can just take 4-6 individual sheets of paper towel, moist them, and plop some cakes on some foil, and just mist the walls once a day? hrmm is this right?
:D
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Underground_Shaman (Shaman)
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Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 06:47 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

so... in a rubbermaid bin, i can just take 4-6 individual sheets of paper towel, moist them, and plop some cakes on some foil, and just mist the walls once a day? hrmm is this right?




yup. works for my foaf.


...once in awhile you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right...
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 07:37 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

change out the towels once a week or so
i've found this works best in crowded or small chambers, not too tall
as the less empty airspace
the better this works.


Namaste


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shobimono (Shobimono)
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Posted on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 03:35 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Foaf has a small bin with straw cased with verm/coir that has a bunch of 1" pins all over it. He put this small bin into a bigger bin with bleach soaked paper towels (1:200) on the bottom of the big bin. He misted the walls of the big bin and covered it with clear plastic. He told me that when he got home today and looked to see how this new method was working, all the 1" pins turned blue.
Why is this? The paper towels are moist, the walls are moist, the casing is moist?

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