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| | Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 11:41 am: | 
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quote:Do you mean inspiring faith by dosing regularly?
yes,
at least several times in succession
Namaste
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 11:43 am: |
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quote:I would not say it gives me faith, at least not the western concept of faith. I would consider it more "Will".
what is 'Will'
if not faith in motion ?
Namaste
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Redmonk (Redmonk)
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 01:55 pm: |
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"..faith in motion"
Nice one Hip ! |
TehutiRoo (Dr_hyde)
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 04:43 pm: |
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Will may not be the right word to use. The the Greek word 'Thelema' seems to define it better..
"what is 'Will'
if not faith in motion ?"
Very true!
Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great.
--Mark Twain
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philemon (Philemon)
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| | Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 04:49 am: |
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I always thought of faith as belief in motion.. but that might be my inner residual mormon talking. |
Hippie3 (Admin)
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| | Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 12:40 pm: |
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faith is the expectation of things unseen,
it's really more than mere belief.
we see faith when we walk,
we do not hestitate to place a foot down
we do not gingerly test the floor before each step
we have a fundamental body-based faith,
gained by experience since infancy,
that the floor will remain solid,
our foot will not just pass thru it.
no need to even think about it,
just take a step.
that is faith.
(Message edited by admin on November 22, 2004)
Namaste
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Leprachaun (Leprachaun)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 01:34 am: |
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That is a good description of faith. It is like a belief which you are so sure of that it has become unconcious and unquestionable.
Hippie3,
What do you think is the potential of Ayahuasca in terms of healing and even supernatural powers? I love it and fear it in equal measure. Straight after a trip, it's potential seems limitless.
Do you persue Ayahuasca with any particular goals in mind? I find it hard to even form goals because the trip itself is such a marvel. It seems to determine your goals for you, and any plans you had get swept away in the glory of the trip. |
philemon (Philemon)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 05:53 am: |
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I feel the same way about dreams and mushrooms and meditation, not only do i feel like these things show me what they want to show me, but i dont even know what I want to know anymore. I feel like these things give me access to everything yet I just never know what I want when it feels like i can have anything. peacefully perplexing. |
Hippie3 (Admin)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 12:01 pm: |
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quote:What do you think is the potential of Ayahuasca in terms of healing and even supernatural powers?
i don't really know what 'supernatural powers' are, are we talking extra senses or OBE or ?
as a healing agent,
i'm convinced huasca has great potential,
and much research still needs to be done.
i've never experienced anything like it,
before or since.
it makes me feel strong, re-freshed for weeks at a time, almost a literal potion of rejuvenation,
fountain of youth.
it would change the world
given the chance.
Namaste
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 12:05 pm: |
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quote:Do you persue Ayahuasca with any particular goals in mind?
hmm, yes and no.
i have my favorite 'visions'
but i cannot say as i have much control
at least
not yet.
to be honest
i'm more focused on the after-effects,
how i feel after the huasca wears off
than how i feel under its' effects.
i had never met a 'drug' before
where the 'hangover' was better than the 'high'.
Namaste
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philemon (Philemon)
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 02:57 am: |
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damn. that sounds great. thats mighty quotable there hip. mighty quotable.
"I never met a 'drug' before where the 'hangover' was better than the 'high'."
- sir. Hippie III |
TehutiRoo (Tehutiroo)
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 04:05 am: |
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"but i cannot say as i have much control "
Its VERY good advise, as I see many people using the vine for the first time here, not to try to control the experiance. Just surrender to it. I have seen people get the hell beat out of them by the vine trying to control the experiance. I have seen these people cry like babies... This is VERY powerfull medicine. If you play games with it you will learn to respect its power the hard way. ANY experiance with the vine is worthwile, even the bad ones end up being some of the most wonderfull ones in the end.
Hippie is right. Its about the only "drug" that makes you feel better after all is said and done. Far me at least, I feel completly at peace, both physicly and mentaly. A hot bath after the experiance will intensify the effect. This effect for me at least last for a week or so.
Last Sunday night I had the experiance myself. I feel calm and at peace even now. Physicly I feel great..
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 12:46 pm: |
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welcome back, friend
Namaste
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Leprachaun (Leprachaun)
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| | Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 01:37 am: |
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While on Ayahuasca, I "saw" that supernatural powers such as levitation, shapeshifting, telekinesis etc were all basically a matter of faith. If you believed in your heart and soul you could do supernatural things, then you would be able to do them.
esp and obe's I would see as more passive supernatural powers unless the person can actively control the experience.
I think I may have passively experienced supernatural powers on Ayahuasca. One time I felt that my eyesight had been dramatically improved to cat-like abilities. I saw a woman in front of a house with a car and I'm sure she is real, living somewhere.
The times when I felt like I had changed into other people could be called obe's of sorts, but the people may not have been real, although extremely vivid. One time I was lying on my bed and I felt my conciousness coming out the back of my head like a little spaceship but it clicked back in due to doubt. I also felt on the verge of levitation but never managed it due to doubt again.
Have you ever experienced any supernatural power or event on Ayahuasca which you felt was beyond doubt or verifiable, Hippie3? Or simply had you saying, "Was that really just an hallucination?"
Talking about all this is making me thirsty for a brew. :-)
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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| | Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 01:32 pm: |
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i'd have to say that i am split on that question.
my body tells me
it's real
but my mind sez it's not.
the skeptic inside me has not been defeated by faith yet, at least not in regards to the 'reality' of my visions.
i have seen things,
but when or where i was, i cannot say.
i have also seen many strange things
in the real world,
so how can i judge ?
if i stand before god,
am i 'there' or 'here' or where ?
Namaste
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technogeek (Technogeek)
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| | Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 05:16 pm: |
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For pure will, unassuaged of purpose, delivered from the lust of result, is every way perfect.
-the Book of the Law
"I told u I was hardcore."
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Leprachaun (Leprachaun)
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| | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 02:00 am: |
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Just a word on misplaced faith. I saw a film called "The Ninth Gate". A man burns himself alive in the mistaken belief he is invincible after performing some weird ritual. It was quite shocking because I could understand his way of thinking due to my Ayahuasca experiences, the feeling that anything is possible.
I think misplaced faith is the greatest danger of anyone on the spiritual path. If you think you are invulnerable to fire, try burning your finger with a cigarette lighter before pouring petrol over yourself. If you think you can fly, try flying off a chair before flying off a bridge. Take baby steps to PROVE to yourself that your faith is true.
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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| | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 02:02 am: |
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and have a healthy respect for the laws of physics.
as far as i can tell
faith doesn't change those.
Namaste
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Leprachaun (Leprachaun)
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| | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 02:09 am: |
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I've had all sorts of crazy ideas on Ayahuasca. Faith is a law unto itself, and can be dangerous as well as highly beneficial. |
TehutiRoo (Tehutiroo)
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| | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 02:15 am: |
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"For pure will, unassuaged of purpose, delivered from the lust of result, is every way perfect."
Very wise advise, and words to live by.
Conventional thinking is the ruin of our souls,
something borrowed which we mistake as our own.
Ignorance is better than this; clutch at madness instead.
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TehutiRoo (Tehutiroo)
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| | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 02:50 am: |
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"I think misplaced faith is the greatest danger of anyone on the spiritual path."
I would consider the very word "spiritual path" to be a greater danger. In my opinion, any path I can ever take leads me back to myself. I have walked more than one during my life and have decided to scrap all of them. For me at least they have proved to be a total waste of time. I am my own gateway to spirituality.
There is GREAT power in the Ayahuasca experience. It is neither good nor evil. I have had quite a few paranormal experiences with Ayahuasca and the Mushroom. Using Ayahuasca as a group activity would prove this to anyone.
It as very clear to me that this "power" works on a mental or spiritual level, not a physical one, unless one has the proper skills to influence the physical through the mind. One does not find people trying to fly during traditional Ayahuasca sessions, nor do people set themselves on fire. I would consider these things to be the results of aberrations in the western mind or spirit. Its the spirit that can truly fly, that is immune to fire. Not the body. I am of the opinion that the reason one hears of these "bad reactions" is because our western minds are taught a materialistic form of spirituality. One in which the spirit is something of an afterthought.
During traditional Ayahuasca sessions you will find healings, and "cursings" of sorts, the very oposite of healings. One can also find it being used to access the spirit world.
This "people doing crazy" things wile on Ayahuasca is a very interesting topic. But I have never seen it happen. I have seen it happen with the mushroom and LSD, but not Ayahuasca.
All of this talk of faith is very disturbing. Like I have said before, perhaps I have a different definition of faith. I would never say I BELIEVE in GOD, but I always say I have FAITH that GOD exists. In my mind faith is a fact, and belief is something of an opinion.
Conventional thinking is the ruin of our souls,
something borrowed which we mistake as our own.
Ignorance is better than this; clutch at madness instead.
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philemon (Philemon)
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| | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 06:25 am: |
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I'm BACK!
another damn good point rue. I AM my own gateway to the spiritual. every time you go to sleep its a journey out of the physical.
wouldnt it suck if you had to get a job in your dreams? you had to work a steady job in order to eat dream food? Dreaming is a powerful gift and we all igore it. what the hell is wrong with people?
anyway, i cant deal with this sudden rush of THC in my system! I'm going crazy! |
Hippie3 (Admin)
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| | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 11:26 am: |
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one must take care
because right around the corner
from faith
is where delusion lives.
Namaste
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philemon (Philemon)
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Post Number: 453
Registered: 04-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2004 - 08:18 pm: |
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thats what's so great about the delusions mushrooms sometimes give me. they help me recognize what delusions are from an objective standpoint and help me therefore remove chronic delusions born of the past. |
