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| | Posted on Monday, December 09, 2002 - 07:13 pm: | 
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Hmmm, I've got a "plant" store nearby (they also sell hydroponics, lights, etc -- useful for indoor mj cultivators). They sell worm castings, and lime and everything you'd need... year 'round....
Dunno if you've got anything like that around you. But they'd definitely have it, even out of season....
You shoulda seen the look I got at home depot when I asked about "Fans"... You know like the kind you use in the summer to cool off -- "Ah, sir, those have been out of season for 2 months now..." |
Hippie3 (Admin)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 01:58 am: |
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straw generally only gives one big flush
but you can dunk it to rehydrate
and get multiple flushes |
Goose (Fathergoose)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 02:48 am: |
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Can a bucket be used ( in place of a laundry basket) with holes drilled in the bottom, or does one need air flow from the sides also?
Thank you,
Goose |
Visions (Visions)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 03:41 am: |
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Killdannow, thanks for the complements and to answer you questions...I have grown 2 strains this way...Strapharia and Hawiians...Doing many baskets with both it seams to me that casing them on the sides is a waste of time and a huge mess doing it...if in the long run they were to produce a little more from casing on the sides it still wouldn't be worth it to me...When you get a fantastic flush with just the casing on top...Also when they grow on the sides the baskets are harder to work with...When you get to this scale 1/2lb here or there doesn't really matter...In a small room 10'x10' you could easily grow 500lbs a month...I really shouldn't be saying that...I have never grown that nor do I want to...I've never been into this for any type of business...I started growing because I didn't trust anyone and I wanted some for me and a couple friends...I just figured out how to do it and it happened...So simple to me now...When it finally click in your brain how simple this is you will just laugh...
As for the manure mixed into the straw: It's not needed but a some added might help to hold in moisture...You could case with Verm...You just want a fluffy casing that has "NO" nutrition that will stay moist....Now that I have done quite a few baskets I would put 1 1/2" -2" casing...Just use the 1/4ts bleach in a gal of water to pasturize the casing,,,whatever it may be...
If you water it properly...You will get everything in one flush...Once it starts pinning you can water the hell out of it...Excess will drain out all the holes you will drill in the bottom of the baskets...2 weeks after you spawn it you can cover it with the plastic bags...this will help keep it moist...Just don't let the casing dry out or it will mess with the pin set...even if you do let it dry you will still get the mushrooms...it will just have to pin again...You won't go wrong!... |
Visions (Visions)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 03:55 am: |
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Visions (Visions)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 04:33 am: |
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Goose, I believe a bucket would work...even a planter with a plant in the middle... |
The Elf (Fletop)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 06:48 am: |
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Visions, any chance this would work by innoculating straw with ground-up PF cakes? Old-Timer style?
I know, I know grains are better.... but assuming one didn't have a pressure cooker (yet.)
Thoughts? |
Hippie3 (Admin)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 02:13 pm: |
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sure it could be done, elf. just don't over-grind the cake. small chunks seem to grow out faster than pulverized, look to get your cake pieces about the size of vermiculite particles or a bit bigger. |
? ? ? (Killdannow)
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 06:18 pm: |
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visions, i wanted to add that for watering purposes I took another basket with no holes in the bottom- toook some plastic lattice in threw it in the basket w/o holes then put your straw manure basket in that one. The water can drip out the bottom, and it still gets air flow. The first basket will catch any drip - plus you dont have to put it on the floor, thats the main reason i did it.
also when making my baskets, instead of turning 3 of them each at a different angle, take one basket put one of those leaf bags in it, then put the basket your gonna use inside that one. contains all of the mess, instead of most. This one i had to do, because when i went wally worldin they had slightly dif baskets, w/ larger openings. I suppose you could bleach pasteurize like this also, just let it soak-tie the bag off. |
psycho naut (Xochipilli2012)
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 11:36 pm: |
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Quick questions.does the poo smell?(I would be sleeping in the same room as my baskets,I could learn to love the smell if I have to.)Or better,can I use coco coir in place?any nutritional difference?thanks for everything, I 've learned a lot in the last couple of months thanks to a lot of people on this site. |
Hippie3 (Admin)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 07:49 pm: |
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nope, the poo by this time just has an earthy dirt smell, luckily.
coir could be used, as a strict casing, but it has zero nutes so yields would be reduced. |
psycho naut (Xochipilli2012)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 10:31 pm: |
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cool,thanks I'll be sticking with the good ol shit! |
? ? ? (Killdannow)
| | Posted on Sunday, December 15, 2002 - 09:21 pm: |
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visions, did you actually water with the jug?
Like dumping water on the basket from the gallon jug? or did you mist? my basket is a few days old- doing very well. I have misted the shit out of it everyday, but absolutely no water ever drips out of this thing. |
Visions (Visions)
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 10:44 am: |
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If your room is dry(very low humidity like mine is)mist heavy a couple times a day if you can...Remember that the mycelia likes it moist not wet...wet will slow it down...that straw holds a lot of water...You could mist up to a Qt of water a day per basket...After about 2weeks you will see the mycelia poking through the casing that's when you can litely cover the basket in clear plastic bag, leaving room on the sides of the basket(in other words don't close it up tight...Fresh Air is the Key)...
Try not to let the casing dry especially when you see the mycelia poking through the casing...Litely cover the casing if you are having problems keeping just the casing moist...
Your doing good grasshopper! |
? ? ? (Killdannow)
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 04:14 pm: |
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so far so good, i have lil spots of greenies, on the top of the basket- but they dont get any bigger and the mycelium is exploding.i used about ten quarts manure to spawn this bad boy- and it shows, its a few days old, and i expect it to be grown though within the week.
thanks vis |
? ? ? (Killdannow)
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 06:02 pm: |
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but somehow, the more i look at those spots....................
somebodys getting a bleach mist soon--- |
pyro (Pyro)
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 06:25 pm: |
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to clear anything up for other people, do you continue to mist after it has started to pin? |
? ? ? (Killdannow)
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 06:36 pm: |
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im not certain if visions does, but I know i read in the archives not to.
I believe he puts up the humidity tent, so that he can minimize his misting? or eliminate it. well have to wait for the man to come down and answer us. |
? ? ? (Killdannow)
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 09:06 pm: |
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actually ijust reread the whole thing, and he said he mists the hell out of it -like it or not. |
Hippie3 (Admin)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 01:58 am: |
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just try to avoid directly spraying the pins,
leaving them wet can cause them to abort. |
Visions (Visions)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 04:18 am: |
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I am very surprised to here that you see green mold...Spray with the mild bleach water...Remember Fresh Moving Air is the Key!...You can mist with that mild bleach water everytime...
2weeks after I spawn I cover the baskets with the plastic to keep the casing humid...At this time the mycelia is poking through and you don't want the casing to dry or the mycelia that's colonizing the casing to dry out which might damage your pin set...Even if for some reason it does dry out and ruin a pin set,,,it will just make more pins...
Yes, I mist the Hell out of it!...I am not saying that's the optimal way...But I personally don't care about optimal...Optimal is just more BS to worry about...Nature isn't Optimal...You're better off letting go of trying to control a perfect enviroment and just let life happen and enjoy it!
After you do a few of these baskets you will know what I mean...
But since it's your first time...if you want optimal...Mist heavy until you see knotting...then just try to keep it humid...After most pins take on some good size 1" or more then you can go back to misting the hell out of it...It's dry where I am so I mist close to a Qt per basket per day...Excess will drain...
You can make this as complicated as you want or you can do as I do and Keep it simple... |
? ? ? (Killdannow)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 05:50 am: |
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I actually ended up ripping a layer off, I dont know why but the top 2 inches or so was greenish, the rest is healthy white and chunky. so i ripped that off and continued the bleach misting. i also made two more this time closely following your sterilization-before i just used bleach past. got my fingers crossed. Also before the spawn coulda been questionable, i thought it grew a little slow, but it was more dry and not more wet and didnt stink. So i did it. I think i will see this first basket flush yet. i got two hepas blowing on it now.
like i said if all fails i just made two more baskets. I know in an enclosed space that greenie woulda took over long ago. I dont have proper lighting in that grow chamber. thanks for the blessing |
? ? ? (Killdannow)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 02:06 am: |
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okay scratch that, i am ripping the whole thing otu. musta been a spawn prob since the entire basket was gotten. well here i go to innoc two more. this time i used the lime- hope it makes a diff. |
Hippie3 (Admin)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 03:20 am: |
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bummer, but everyone loses a few, no biggie. |
? ? ? (Killdannow)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 03:48 am: |
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yeah even tho i have a casualty, i now know how to spawn worm castings to the perfect moisture content. live and learn. |
Visions (Visions)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 04:11 am: |
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Sorry to hear that... Yea check your spawn carefully before you use it...What exactly did you use for a casing?...I use "Roaring Brooks Organics"--Dehydrated Manure---Got it at Franks Nursury...Did you add anything to the casing?
Glad you're trying again!...You'll get it, I can feel it in my bones!
Pasturize Straw 160*---Add aprox 1/5cup bleach and 5 large heaping tbs Hydrated Lime(I use Hoffmans) to aprox 1/5th bale straw(one basket worth)...Mix it in little by little as you add the hot water---Make sure all the straw is submerged then cover it and let soak at least 1hr...I have left it for a day before with the same results---Drain well---Layer in the straw & spawn---Soak your casing with the bleach water...you could add some lime...I didn't but it wouldn't hurt...might help you out a little...Squeeze out excess water and put 1 1/2"-2" casing on top...You know the rest...
Nothing needs to be exact here...a little more or a little less bleach or lime won't change a thing...
While your waiting start some more grain jars and get ready for your next wave of baskets!...4weeks from now you're going to have some photos for me I know it! |
? ? ? (Killdannow)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 04:21 am: |
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is the heat pasteurization part necessary? I thought the bleach and lime, were sufficent chemical past. If not i need to know right away vis, cuz i just did these, and did not heat past. |
Hippie3 (Admin)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 02:41 pm: |
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i skipped heat once and went just bleach/lime and failed miserably.
so now i figure it's extra insurance to just do both, heat then bleach. |
? ? ? (Killdannow)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 04:44 pm: |
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argh, I filled my tub up with straw and chemicals, and now i gotta do it again.
well it soaked for twelve hours, and the water was hot 125. so im just gonna do it, its my last spawn for now, and ill just have to start all over again.
(i hope i dont, i havent harvested in a while now) |
Visions (Visions)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 01:35 am: |
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I think you will be alright...the longer soak was good...The hot water also helps the straw to absorb the water...I have done it with temp at 130* and it worked fine... |
cowshitblues (Cowshitblues)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 03:01 pm: |
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well i got sort of a basket going... its pretty much an 11x8x10 inch tupperware bin with 2inches of hydrocorn on the bottom with an air diffuser.. i soaked the hydrorocks but i didn't add water to the bottom, this was my theory for not having holes on the sides, but the air only has one way to go, and thats up the sides.. what do you think?? i just have so many bins i really didn't want to go buy more stuff.. i think the straw was maybe 6inches deep... im hoping the air flow will help keep off the contams.. no lid.. so im just crossing my fingers.. |
Visions (Visions)
| | Posted on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 01:25 am: |
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Just make sure that water isn't collecting on the bottom... |
? ? ? (Killdannow)
| | Posted on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 03:51 am: |
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i have lost too many bins to water collection. If you see water collecting, you gotta move fast on it and do whatever it takes to dry it out, unless you like big wet spots of bacteria. |
cowshitblues (Cowshitblues)
| | Posted on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 01:17 pm: |
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thats why i put the hyrdro rocks on the bottom + the air diffuser to help evaporate the water in the rocks and send airflow around the outside of the straw in the container... |
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