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Toadstooll (Toadstooll)
Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 11:27 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have been Reading, reading and reading some more about Straw, manure, grains ect... I have decided to go with Visions Laundry Basket. I have many questions....
1. Zip lock bags. I read a post on using them to pasteurize straw and manure in with bleach. What about it Hip, Vision? Any good !! If so should I let full colonization take place in the Zip lock bag?
2. Should I shoot the straw in the Zip lock in top and mix well, or poke in sides all over with a karo syringe? Would grain be better or faster? What is the best Grain to use? Where are they found?
3. What should the bag of manure say? Dehydrated? What about that Scott's 3 in 1? Should I pasteurize just like straw in Zip lock?
4. Should the basket be layered ..Straw, Casing, Straw....Straw, rain,Casing,Straw,Grain.......or...Straw, Grain Casing around sides of basket Straw,Grain??
5. Temp. Should be between 72-80. What about humidity? Just whatever weather permits in your area and home? Where should basket be kept, In closet ..Doors opened a few times a day for fresh air? Run a humidifier in closet to keep it up and moist? What about hanging basket on the cloths rod so air can get to it from all sides?
Ok I am done rambling for know. Any other suggestions are welcome or if I am Wrong on anything, or there is an easier way PLEASE Speak Up
Thanks
Toad
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Visions (Visions)
Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 08:48 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Toad,,,so many questions...all you have to do is do a search with my name and read...Here is the short vertion....

Build my pressure box...Make Qt jars of Millet...Inocculate or do grain to grain(thats what the pressure box is fantastic for)...Pasturize straw(It takes 5 baskets to do a whole bale of straw)I add a little bleach and lime to my pasturizing straw..To pasturize your manure,jiffy mix etc..put a 1/4 tsp bleach in a gal water and let soak...squeeze out excess water when you use it...Use at least 3Qt jars of grain spawn per basket...Layer straw & Spawn with a little manure...then case the top with about 1 1/2" manure...

Again read what I have written
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Toadstooll (Toadstooll)
Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 01:22 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have read pretty much everything you have wrote, but wanted to make sure before I started. So what about the Zip Lock bags? I have not seen anything about the Humidity?
Thankz
Toad
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 01:37 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i didn't like the ziplocks, they didn't breathe well enough, better use his pillow cases or real filter-patch bags, or some polyfil-necked bags.
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Visions (Visions)
Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 02:38 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have no idea how you are adding ziplock bags to what I have written...

You don't need ziplock,pillow cases or filter-patch bags

Laundry Baskets---Grain Spawn---Dehydrated Manure---Bleach---Lime---Pressure box to do grain to grain transfers....Box fan with a filter on it(used to keep fresh air moving...the filter isn't needed but why not since it's easy and cheap)...I put 1/4tsp bleach in a gal water and use that to mist(and I don't do that everytime...more like every other time...the point is as long as there is plenty of fresh air MOVING...you won't have contams...That's it!

All done in open air---Put into a heated closet 72*-76*...No humidity added...It's cold here and the humidity is low(I don't know what it is nor do I care)Left uncovered for 2weeks...Misted well everyday...The door is wide open when I am misting etc...some baskets are taken out of the closet to mist because it's easier...No Contams! After 2 weeks I water them really well right out of the gal jug of water...soak them good and they will drain then I place a very loose fitting black plastic garbage bag over the baskets...Mist everyday and check for contams...No contams so far...if you see contams like cobweb...just mist and leave the plastic off...That's it!...My next set of baskets are getting ready...Saturday will be 3weeks...The hyph is reaching for the sky...looks great...I should see knotting real soon....I will water them really well again when I see pins...then just mist...So simple!

This type of confusion happens because what I have written is on different threads....

As soon as I get some time...I will consolidate and simplify everything and make that mini web...

Hope this helps...good luck...Follow what I have written about Pressure boxes and Laundry Baskets and you won't go wrong!
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 01:08 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

also remember, folks, that there are many ways to get the same job done.
it's often not so much the mechanics but the theory behind it that you need to understand.
the only part of the process that needs to be sterile is colonizing the grain itself. everything else can [but doesn't have to] be done in open air as visions demonstrates. but you can use the pillow case method, esp. to pasturize your straw/dung as it'll need something to hold it together. even ziplocks, but you can't leave it in ziplocks to colonize, they just don't breathe well enough.
but once your grain is fully colonized, and your straw/dung pasturized, you can mix them and layer in open air, like visions' in his laundry baskets, or you could lay it out in cardboard boxes like mycofile does in his bulk neglect report, or you could do it in the pillowcases, etc. there are many viable alternatives once you understand the theory behind it all.
but when in doubt, if you are unsure, follow directions exactly.
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Toadstooll (Toadstooll)
Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 08:18 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you both Vision and Hippie. I have the info I need to start a new way of shroomin. So let me get this str8 I CAN pasturize Straw and Manure in zip lock bags just do not let it colonize in them.
1 last question what is thoughts on turning water heater up and pouring the hot tap water and a lil bleach into a zip lock with straw/manure for bout 1 1/2 hours? Sound good that is what I have in mind to do if it gets the ok from HIp and the old timers.
Thankz
Toad
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Visions (Visions)
Posted on Friday, November 29, 2002 - 09:28 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes you can pasturize in the ziplocks...but you can't colonize in them...And the hot tap water and a little bleach will work...1 1/2hr is good...longer wont hurt...in other words...no rush
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Toadstooll (Toadstooll)
Posted on Friday, November 29, 2002 - 09:36 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thnak you Visions and Hippie . I am off to try to find the poop and then away I go. Can not wait I am also going to try to put some straw in a very low cut box cased with POOP.
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Imok (Imok)
Posted on Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 06:03 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

archive material :)

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