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Importance of a drip shield?Snoopyjared53 5 12-16-01  12:28 am
Misting the casing layerAnonyshroomerhippie32 3 12-06-01  05:20 pm

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jared (Jared112)
Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 02:37 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

sprayer

or $$$ Humidifier Tek it's up to you.
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Hudsonismss (Hudsonismss)
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2001 - 01:37 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i was wondering how it is that when using perlite you can spray directly into the terranium- onto the or around the cakes/casings, yet when without perlite you have to have a spray guard them from direct contact to the moisture? should i be more careful spraying even with perlite- like only onto the walls, or is it not a worry?
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relic (Relic)
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2001 - 03:03 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

cakes do not like direct water on them. yes, spry the walls. if you cakes get water droplets on them pat them dry with some toilet paper.
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Lichen (Lichen)
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2001 - 03:15 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you know, I always spray my cakes directly. They flush on average three to five grams every two weeks for three flushes, then most will not go four flushes. What benefit is there to not spraying them? What detriment am I causing my cakes?

I know I sound like a stubborn mule here, and also I remember what pf says at his site about it: that mycelium is a complex of tiny structures and a single water droplet is like a lake to them, drowning them. But I'm lazy, and I haven't got a spray shield (mine broke). And, AND, I can't see the problem. A case in point is the outdoor OGBD outdoortek. It rains. Rains hard, and yet the shrooms seem to grow better in the rain. So what gives? What evidence is there that the cakes should not be sprayed?
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Vitticeps (Admin)
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2001 - 03:37 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I second that question Lichen. I always sprayed my casings and cakes directly (not intentionally but becuase my terrarium was packed and it was unavoidable). I saw no ill effects. I have read the reasoning and it makes perfect sense on paper but my experience (as well as natural occurances) prove otherwise??????????

Still lots to be learned :)
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relic (Relic)
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2001 - 03:45 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

casings you can spray, but cakes do not absorb the water directly. you can damage the mycellia and open the cake up to contamination(green mold). a light, fine misting may not form droplets on the cakes, it's the droplets that you want to avoid and the cakes should not be wet for extended periods of time.
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relic (Relic)
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2001 - 03:51 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the difference between the rain outside and the cakes inside is that outside you have fresh air and no contamination. contamination needs stale air, a damp environment, and a food source. it's not the end all, be all, it'a a precautionary thing.
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Vitticeps (Admin)
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2001 - 04:03 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hear ya relic. You may have explained it perfectly. I got into a habit of fanning my terrariums 3-4 times a day so stale air was never an issue. I did spray my cakes directly but I only sprayed once a day, not every fanning. I generally tried to avoid it but in a cramped rubbermaid its inevitable that the mist will directly hit the cakes without a drip shield. Maybe I was lucky or my fanning routines kept me afloat.

Either way yeilds were not affected.
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relic (Relic)
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2001 - 05:27 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

generally, higher humidity and temps promote vegetative growth and slightly lower humidity and Temps promote pinning, fruiting, etc. the problem you have with cakes is that they want to dry out, i'd recommend keep the Humidity up and increase the Fannings when pinning with cakes.
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jared (Jared112)
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2001 - 07:25 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am going to be misting my shrooms with a plant spray bottle, and I head that spaying the cakes or the shrooms with water will hurt them, so what am I suppose to do? spray the sides of the terranium? how do you do this when you are doing it by hand?
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hippie3 (Hippie)
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2001 - 07:46 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

correct, mist the sides trying to avoid splatter,
although any strays droplets can easily be removed with a clean tissue, etc.
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jared (Jared112)
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2001 - 09:42 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So the shrooms are very sensitive to that kind of shit then? What about when they grow in nature and it rains? Do they die or what?
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Nan (Nanook)
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2001 - 11:06 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not very sensitive, but water droplets on cakes and fruits can cause some damage. Just avoid spraying them directly and you will be fine.

You can (and should) drip water on the casing to keep it moist.
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Lichen (Lichen)
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2001 - 11:44 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

fuzzy mycelium dies in cold rain. This is why it takes up to twice as long for outdoor beds to fruit; they have to build a strong enough network of rhizomorphic mycelium under the surface to withstand the elements.

In a terrerium, cakes are fuzzy and soft--sheltered. If you spray the mycelium directly, it will slow their progress toward fruition.

Shroom Glossary
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relic (Relic)
Posted on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 06:16 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

don't use h2o2 unless you need it. it will only slow things down. as far as the temps go, i'd keep them in the upper 70's for fruiting.

there is some debate about misting pins. don't do it. basically, try to avoid getting any excessive spray directly on the pins and you'll be fine. and it's not a bad idea to dab droplets from the mycellia.
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Brad (Raze)
Posted on Friday, December 14, 2001 - 12:09 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, with one cake in the chamber and 3 on the way (plus 2 more strugglin a bit further behind) I would like to know if the walls of my terranium should be dripping with moisture, with just perlite in it, the walls have the odd droplet on it, and the lid is a bit damp, moist...
Should it be oozing with water or what?
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Mr. B (Argonaut)
Posted on Friday, December 14, 2001 - 12:31 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Define "Dripping" it it running down the sides in streaks? or are there little tiny droplets forming and gently making their way down? Dripping is not good in my mind... It should not be "oozing with water"
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Snoopy (Snoopy)
Posted on Friday, December 14, 2001 - 12:31 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yes it should, thats perfect. Hence the wonderfulness of perlite! make sure water droplets don't land on your cakes tho... www.fanaticus.com explains the dangers of this I believe.
Hence dripshield. check it out in the archives.
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Swilly (Swilly)
Posted on Friday, December 14, 2001 - 01:13 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

it souds like your tank is treating you right just keep what is going inside that bugger and you'll have pin's before you know it!!!!

much love, Swilly
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Brad (Raze)
Posted on Friday, December 14, 2001 - 05:28 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No no, its not dripping. Ok, my incubator is just bleeding with water. Like when I take the lid off, water drips all over, huge droplets, it drips all over the plexiglass stand my jars are on. And the walls are covered with water streaming down the side. (Note: Incubator has a water container with a fishtank heater)
Now with my fruiting chamber when I take the lid off, theres moisture on the lid (no droplets, just like its wet) and the sides have the odd drips on it. Nothing more.
Is this enough? This particular cake hasnt pinned yet. I'm not fanning right now because I know that if it hasnt pinned yet, then it needs more CO2
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plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420)
Posted on Friday, December 14, 2001 - 01:57 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i don't think that it needs more CO2 if it hasn't pinned yet... IMHO you should always fan.... you're terrarium sounds good to me though
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hippie3 (Hippie)
Posted on Friday, December 14, 2001 - 07:09 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

cakes prefer 100% humidity, unlike casings.
you want it just like your incubation chamber.
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Brad (Raze)
Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2001 - 12:38 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How would you recommend doing that? I cant afford another 50 dollar fish tank heater
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hippie3 (Hippie)
Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2001 - 01:18 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

well, you can certainly get a fish tank heater for less than $50, the small cheap ones are about $10.
that aside, you can get a tighter seal on the lid, and you can use more perlite, a thicker layer gives more humidity.
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Brad (Raze)
Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2001 - 01:27 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've got all of my perlite devided between the two chambers, and the lids have weatherstripping on it to help the seal.
As far as fishtank heaters, trust me. There's on pet store around here, and their cheapo model is 30 bucks (and its crap, i bought one, and took it back) and the next step up is 50, which is waht I use in my incubator.
What about an air stone?
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hippie3 (Hippie)
Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2001 - 01:30 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hey, that'll work too.
just make sure it doesn't splatter all over your cakes.
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Brad (Raze)
Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2001 - 02:24 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The air stone? They splatter? I have no idea how they work, I've heard of them but never actually seen them.

And do you have to have a pump or something on them? And if so are they noisy? I dont want any noise, its a stealth operation.

Last thing, what if I took a 2L pop bottle, cut the bottom half off, and set that over the cake, once it gets pins it needs less hummidity anyways right?