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carpo4 (Carpo4)
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Post Number: 161
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Posted on Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 08:40 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

this is my first time brewing the vine and,
since i'm in no hurry,
i've decided to go the crockpot route.

so, i started out with 31.5g of cielo caapi from maya ethnobotanicals
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reduced this to powder with a nutmeg grater,
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hammered the larger pieces before putting them in a coffee mill,
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which left me with 28.6g of powdered vine.
i then poured 500ml of distilled h2o mixed with 25ml of clear malt vinegar into a crockpot
and set the temperature switch to 'low'.
i picked this one up from my local charity shop for 8 ($15).
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the waters' temperature reached a max. 78°c in about an hour.
i added the powdered caapi evenly and replaced the lid on the crockpot.
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not being sure how quickly the brew would evaporate
i checked on it several times and,
24hrs. later, decided to do the first filtering,
using a double layer of cheesecloth.
this brew had reduced by exactly a half, giving me 250ml.
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i returned the vine matter to the crockpot,
stirred in a further 500ml h2o w/ 25ml clear malt vinegar
and replaced the lid.
i will leave the brew for a further 24hrs. before filtering for the second time.
this should leave me with approx. 500ml of brew in total.

now, i have a few questions:

1) are my liquid proportions correct for the crockpot method?
2) should i have pre-heated the h2o/vinegar for the second brewing, before adding the vine matter
or does it not make much difference?
3) how much sediment is desirable in a brew, as the cheesecloth has removed practically all of it
and i'm not sure if this is a good thing or not?
4) should i do a third brew and,
5) which method should i use to reduce down the final mix?

any input greatly appreciated.


it's a growing thing.
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TehutiRoo (Roo)
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Posted on Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 08:55 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Use 70 or 80 grams next time. Always made a double dose. You may have such a good time with one dose you will want to extend the experiance!

Great pictures and great procedure...
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carpo4 (Carpo4)
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Posted on Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 09:10 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thanx roo!
so, with 70 or 80g, should i increase the amount of water i use for each brew from 500ml and,
if so, by how much?
it's a growing thing.
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TehutiRoo (Roo)
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It does not realy matter. A liter or 2 per extraction is ok. Just save the extractions and reduce them down to drinkable amounts. 100 to 200 ml per dose seems to work fine as a final dose.

Caapi by itself is a great medicine. It is not all that visionary, but it does give a sense of well being and calmness. This effect id very profound and can last for a week after the dose wears off.

Caapi itself and the extraction is perficly legal.
It has less side effects than Prozac, and in my opinion is more usefull, but one must observe ones diet when drinking it.

If you wish you can add some chacruna to the mix right at the beginning of the extraction. For a double dose 60 or 70 grams is traditional, and very powerfull. The great part about this is that you have all the calmness of the Caapi plus the visions of DMT. LOL! It beats shrooms in my book.. The only bad part is that once you add chacruna its ilegal. He He, never stoped me, just have to be stealthy about it in the real world.

I sould say that if you add chacruna to Caapi you have the have the mother of all shroom trips. More than just visions and insite, its a medicine for the body and mind as well. You always feel better after the experiance than you did before it. It sticks with you long after the trip also.
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TehutiRoo (Roo)
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Posted on Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 09:42 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The crock pot is the way to go. Its the Hippy3 huasca tek. LOL! He wrote about it a few years ago.
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carpo4 (Carpo4)
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Posted on Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 10:02 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yes, taking just the vine is my intention
as i want to feel it's effects in isolation
and develop a relationship with it.
i have chacruna
but i am in no rush to add this.
i want to get my brewing tek down first
and my diet
before i venture further.

roo, is there a link to hip's tek?
i've searched the archives but i could only find a few details
which i based this preparation on.
it's a growing thing.
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TehutiRoo (Roo)
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Posted on Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 10:21 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

He mentions it from time to time. There is a thread or 2 there with his mention of it. It is by far the best way to go for any extraction.
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David Drainman (Disturbed)
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Posted on Monday, February 07, 2005 - 08:10 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

not to hijack the thread, but i've been thinking about preparing some ayahusca this way and when i was looking for caapi, i came across several different varieties (colors)... I was just wondering if one was much more potent than another, or if they were all pretty much the same?
i'm not, not licking toads
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carpo4 (Carpo4)
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Posted on Monday, February 07, 2005 - 04:07 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

roo,
i just found an archived thread of yours which pretty much answers all my questions.
hope you don't mind me quoting from it.


question: should i have pre-heated the h2o/vinegar for the second brewing, before adding the vine matter
or does it not make much difference?
answer: The DH2O should be mixed with the vinegar before putting it into the water. Once you have it mixed, just pour it over the ground up leaves and vine.

question: how much sediment is desirable in a brew, as the cheesecloth has removed practically all of it
and i'm not sure if this is a good thing or not?
answer: Straining is good for 2 reasons. The first is the fine plant material will irritate your stomach if you drink it. The second is that the extraction will be easier to burn during the reduction phase. Don't worry about losing too much of the good stuff as its in the DH2O and not the plant material.

question: should i do a third brew?
answer: 2 extractions.

question: which method should i use to reduce down the final mix?
answer: For the reduction phase a large porcelain turkey roaster is ideal. Preferably one that is new, if not new than VERY clean. One can do this on the cook top but I prefer the oven. Just preheat the oven to 400 degrees. Place the pan containing the extractions into the oven and bring the heat down to about 200 degrees. The liquid should very lightly boil, but a roaring boil may destroy the brew. We want to get rid of the excess DH2O and the acid. Vinegar will boil off before the water. Once the liquid comes down to about 200 or 300 ml it should be tasted. If it tasts acidic, add more DH2O and reduce it again. Usually after the second reduction the vinegar is gone. 100 to 200 ml per dose is good the first time you do this as its very easy to burn. 75 to 100 ml is actually better. The brew should not be thick, but almost the consistency of water.


it's a growing thing.
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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Posted on Monday, February 07, 2005 - 04:41 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

nice pix
archive material

Namaste


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llama (Llama)
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Posted on Monday, February 07, 2005 - 05:30 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

David: From my knowledge, the black caapi is extremely strong, and most experienced travelers warn against it for beginners. This is followed in strength by red and then yellow (common). I'm not totally sure where white fits in. More info:
http://www.biopark.org/peru/huascaspecies.html
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TehutiRoo (Roo)
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Posted on Monday, February 07, 2005 - 08:28 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmmm..

I have seen the black but never used it. I have alot of red Caapi right now.

I like the red so far. It gives the brew a nice color. The purge seems stronger with the red. The physical healing effects are more pronounced.

Llama, have you had any experiance with the black Caapi?

My brews contain Caapi (right now red), Chacruna and/or Chalaponga. I also sometimes add 2 or 3 leaves from the brugmansia tree. It depends on what I am trying to acomplish with the brew.

I like the effects of Caapi. The best brews go 40 to 60 g per dose in my opinion.

"question: should i do a third brew?
answer: 2 extractions."

I think 2 works but 3 seems like a better number. The key seems to be time. One just has to let the stuff brew. That is the greatest advantage to the crock pot. You just load it up and forget about it. LOL! Not too long though, but you do not have to babysit it.





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TehutiRoo (Roo)
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LOL! Yea I found a wholesale deal on the red!
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I_am_me (I_am_me)
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Posted on Monday, February 07, 2005 - 09:18 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Roo, have you ever tried the method of extracting mimosa and then letting the final extraction evaporate comepletely off at low temperatures, then scraped up and put in capsules?

Maybe for those who happen to have mimosa and rue on hand by coincedence it would be easier than drinking a mimosa brew? A simple water rue extraction wouldn't be nearly as bad as a big glass of mimoshusca.
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TehutiRoo (Roo)
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I have not done this with Mimosa. I should give it a second chance. The extraction is VERY hard to get down.

I have done this with Rue. The "salt" tek is definatly the way to go. I always warn everyone not to eat the seeds or pieces of them. For me at least it realy disagrees with me. I realy like Rue extracted this way. One gets nice crystals. I have smoked them at the peak of a shroom trip and I VERY much think everyone should try this at least once. Rue seems to have the same calming effect Caapi does. With the shrooms its a whole new world to explore, they compliment each other quite nicly.
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I_am_me (I_am_me)
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Interesting.

Is there any liquid you could extract mimosa with that would evaporate easily?

I'll search for the rue salt tek. I want to take some rue alone to see how I react to it.
"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds."

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quote:

I always warn everyone not to eat the seeds or pieces of them. For me at least it realy disagrees with me.



hmm,
i never have had a problem with rue,
i just grind it.


Namaste


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carpo4 (Carpo4)
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phew!
i was just in the process of cleaning-up from filtering the 2nd brew,
when i caught your advice about a 3rd one, roo,
so i've put the caapi in for another round.
i've also halved the amount of vinegar per 500ml,
as per your archived posts procedure,
and checked the acidity with a ph tester.
it comes in at just under 5 which, if i remember correctly,
is about right.
it's a growing thing.
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I_am_me (I_am_me)
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Hehehe nice, hope it works out well.


Sorry to ask another question here, but is DMT soluable in ethyl alcohol, such as everclear? It seems that Phalanax was doing mimosa with vodka or gin.....how about everclear to extract, even with light heat as one would do the mushroom extraction. Then you could strain it and let it evaporate and load into capsules?
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Wesley (Pipes)
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I tried ayahusca this weekend mimosa and rue brew it was very hard to get down very very bitter. I started to fell weightless then it all came back up i could not hold it down. i think next time i will try to extract the mimosa.
BE SAFE AND HAVE FUN!
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PBeester (Pissybee)
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Yes, DMT is alcohol soluble...
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carpo4 (Carpo4)
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i gave 18hrs. for the 3rd brew.
since removal of all sediment is desirable
ive chosen a refined method for the filtering stage.
first, the brew is poured thru' 4 layers of cheesecloth
sitting on top of a dustmask.
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any remaining liquid is squeezed from the cheesecloth thru' the dustmask,
as the dustmask doesn't allow for this degree of squeezability
whilst the cheesecloth doesn't filter as well as the dustmask
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the final filtration is thru' a buchner funnel w/ hand-held vacuum pump.
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here are all three brews together
ready to be reduced.
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it's a growing thing.
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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hey where'd you get your vacume pump ?
looks just like mine...
so, that's just ~30 g of caapi ?
i'd do another batch....
then chacruna.

Namaste


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TehutiRoo (Roo)
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Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 04:23 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Those pumps are great! I use mine all the time for herbal extractions etc.
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carpo4 (Carpo4)
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yeah, got mine from avogadro's laboratory supplies via ebay,
but i see myco supply also do them.
it's a growing thing.
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carpo4 (Carpo4)
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i'm using a glass roaster for the reducing stage.

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the oven was pre-heated to it's max. setting of approx. 260°c,
then turned down to 200°c once the roaster was inside.
it took 2hrs. to reduce the liquid to approx 200ml,
at which stage i tasted it and found it to be very acidic.
400ml of dh2o was added
it only took another 40mins. to reduce the brew to what i was hoping was 70-100ml.

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in fact, it turned out to be 50ml.

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the roaster developed burn stains along the liquid line in the early stages of reducing.

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is this normal or due to a flaw in my method?
will it affect the brew?
is 50ml ok or should i dilute it?
and whilst we're at it, is there life on mars?

the brew will be stored in a glass bottle in the fridge.

it's a growing thing.
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I_am_me and others interested in the mimosa extraction, please check this out:
http://archives.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/15362/190597. html?1108334791
I want to discuss this further without derailing a thread bound for the archives.
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Redmonk (Redmonk)
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Hmmm....I usually do just the opposite : As I reduce , I transfer to consecutively smaller (narrower) kettles to avoid burning (or sudden total evaporation !). I'd say spread it out at first , to aid evaporaton , but then as it reduces....go for a narrower (hence deeper liquid) container .
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You could split the brew into 2 or 3 pots so it will reduce quicker. Or use a frying pan.
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carpo4 (Carpo4)
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thanx for the input
i suspected this would be a tricky area to get right.
i'm wondering myself if using the crockpot w/out the lid is another viable option.


it's a growing thing.
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quote:

As I reduce , I transfer to consecutively smaller (narrower) kettles to avoid burning (or sudden total evaporation !). I'd say spread it out at first , to aid evaporaton , but then as it reduces....go for a narrower (hence deeper liquid) container




makes good sense.

Namaste


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carpo4 (Carpo4)
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i tried a test run of 1000ml dh2o w/ 25ml vinegar
in the crockpot, set on 'high', no lid,
and it took approx. 14hrs. to reduce this down to 100ml.
tasted it and it was none too acidic.
i'll be using this method on my next batch of caapi
as i like the slowness and simplicity of it.

it's a growing thing.

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