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Can I store colonized jars in the fridge for a few weeks?mc haggisCbee3 1 12-11-01  02:07 am

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Some Body (Texasshroomer)
Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2001 - 09:57 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I must leave town for the weekend, but I have some cakes in a humidification chamber that I spray and fan daily. Will the cakes be ok if I just leave them sealed in the chamber for two full days?

TS
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Saluras (Saluras)
Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2001 - 10:50 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

after two days, you'll probably walk in to fully developed shrooms if you have primordia now. things can get contaminated.

when i go out of town, i try to (and this will sound crazy, but it works for me) clean up as many cakes as possible and put them into sterlized jars that then go into the fridge (no water :( ). i can't get all of them, so the cakes in terrariums , when i go it gets a good shot of hydrogenperoxide in the perlite before i go. i usually come home to fully developed shrooms and no visible contams. sometimes the cakes in the jars show signs of primordia when i pull them out of the fridge :) anyway, in general if its only 2days you probably won't be ruined.
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relic (Relic)
Posted on Friday, September 14, 2001 - 08:42 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

it may or may not be ok, you feeling lucky? your best bet, imo, is to crack the lid open slightly. a friend of mine came to see me for the labor day holiday for a few days. he did this, it worked fine. he even had some pop up waiting for him when he returned to be harvested, no green shit. perlite box, btw. in a box without perlite you may get some dry out. a polyfil vent or two may work as well.
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littlebro (Littlebro)
Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2001 - 10:41 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

so all my cakes will be done with their first flush in a few days, fruited in perlite terrariums. when its done, i'm leaving town for a week, with regards to the second flush, should i

1. dunk and put cakes into jars for an invitro second flush

2. dunk cakes and put back into perlite terrariums (with no air exchange)

3. chuck them all out the window

thanks in advance
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Greenweanie (Greenweanie)
Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2001 - 10:50 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i would throw them in the fridge while i was gone...it will slow down any growth and hopefully keep it from any contams
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Nan (Nanook)
Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2001 - 11:25 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, dunk the cakes in jars. Drain the water, and pop the jars back into the fridge.

Another trick. Knock up some jars just before you leave
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Snoopy (Snoopy)
Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 07:33 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well I have a casing of pf hawaiians.. and there are about 15 of them shrooms and they are all 2-2.5 inches tall. Veils showing no signs of breaking. I have to go home for thanksgiving.. Total time away from shrooms 36 -48 hours.... Should I pick them before I leave or should I pick them when I return. I've never let my shrooms get TOO old usually I am all about picking them. What wiill happen if they go past their prime. I know they are still good to eat but HOW long can you let them go?
Again 2.5 inches tall... will be leaving them for 36-48 hours... should I pick or wait until I return?
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Nan (Nanook)
Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 08:05 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you don't pick them... Kill any heat, make sure they get air, and be prepared to Print when you get back.

Shroom Glossary
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Delekhan J. Delekhan (Delekhan)
Posted on Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 10:40 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

After a cake is birthed and cased (simple verm casing), what kind of terrarium could I give it? I know how to make different terrariums, but I'm not sure if a casing needs the same environment as a cake. I've heard of people not even using a terrarium after casing. My only requirement is that I can leave the terrarium unattendend for a couple days without much harm. I'm trying to stay away from humidifiers (I'd rather use perlite or hand-mist, though hand-misting couldn't be performed when I'm not there), as I don't know if electricity will be available in my exact growing area. I'd also need something for some gas exchange on the days that I'm not around, unless they can make it a couple days on their own. Really guys, this is where I'm having the greatest difficulty deciding what to do. I'm trying to make my terrarium as simple as possible given the circumstances (first time growing, can't always be there). Since casing supplies more water to the cake, I would think that I could get away with a little more terrarium neglect with a casing, and may be able to just leave it a couple days with perlite and no gas exchange. Or hand-mist and no humidity and no gas exchange for two days. Like I said, I don't know if electricity will be an option, so humidfiers and bubblers are out for now. If you guys think it's absolutely nessacary that they have humidity and gas exchange on the weekends, I could probably do perlite and bubbler, but I'm not sure how that'll work out, and would rather avoid having to move my setup around if it isn't really that necessary. Thanks guys.

Delekhan
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Nan (Nanook)
Posted on Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 11:45 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Casing Question perhaps?

If you don't warm them, and leave the lids lightly ajar, they do fine for a couple of days... Cool, and pick large shrooms before you leave.
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Bobby (Bobby)
Posted on Sunday, November 04, 2001 - 01:03 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Perlite is awesome it keeps the terranium very humid. Hardely any work invoved.
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hippie3 (Hippie)
Posted on Sunday, November 04, 2001 - 03:00 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i suspect that you'll find that leaving a casing a couple days with no air exchange is a bad idea.
if you must grow with no air pumps, electricity, etc. then you should prolly stick to cakes.
casings do not do well when neglected,
unlike cakes.
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Nan (Nanook)
Posted on Sunday, November 04, 2001 - 03:19 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I dunno Hip. Kill the heat, mist em lightly, and leave the lids ajar; works reliably for a weekend pass here.

Of course it is fall at the North Pole No heat must be like 20 below...
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hippie3 (Hippie)
Posted on Sunday, November 04, 2001 - 03:27 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i suppose it depends on the environment--
contams are far less likely in winter.
but everytime i get lazy and leave a casing unattended a couple days, mold is never far behind.
the key would be how far to crack the lid,
too little, and mold strikes.
too much, and the casings dries out.
i've had moderate success drilling holes in the lid so to regulate the air exchange by the number of holes.
but with no fanning, the co2 will build up near the casing surface, being heavier than normal air.
not saying it can't be done,
just that over time, the mortality rate of neglected casings is far higher than that of neglected cakes.
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Delekhan J. Delekhan (Delekhan)
Posted on Sunday, November 04, 2001 - 05:25 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, if I could rig up a bubbler for the weekends, would that help? I assume you think the perlite is a good idea. Do you think it would be better for me to just stick to cakes? If neglected casings fail more than neglected cakes (i was thinking the opposite, since cakes have extra water and such), then maybe I should stick to cakes. BTW, isn't there an extra sterilization procedure for casings (i was reading the simple casing tek on here, and it didn't mention anything)?


Delekhan
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plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420)
Posted on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 12:09 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

they do make battery powered air pumps for fish tanks ...... i saw them at a local pet shop... this might be exactly what you need friend
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Nan (Nanook)
Posted on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 12:31 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

With the cooler weather here I have not been seeing much of a problem with the _heat off_ and the lids cracked ajar. Dropping into the 60's really puts them in slow motion and there can't be much CO2 production.

What about a couple of quarter sized holes right at the casing level stuffed with Polyfill? The idea being to bleed of the CO2.

Nan
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Delekhan J. Delekhan (Delekhan)
Posted on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 03:46 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

With or without an air pump? I would think there would have to be some more pressure in the tank to force air through the polyfill for there to be any noticible difference. Maybe not though, I guess it would depend on how thick/tight the polyfill. I know it's getting drier but the ambiant humidity in my area is 68% right now. I could probably swing a hole, or a small patch of small holes near the bottom of a perlite terrarium. And instead of fanning, run a fish tank bubbler on the weekends that pumps some filtered air into the tank, forcing stagnant air out the holes. Maybe use a larger hole and filter it with polyfill or something. But most tank lids aren't going to be air tight anyway, so pumping air into it with some sort of filtered exhaust might not even work since the air might just be forced out the top. Maybe I'm off on the wrong track... any ideas? Remember the goal is just to be able to leave them for two consecutive days... either cakes or casings (i'm waiting on more input on that issue too i guess, since that issue may directly effect how i make the terrarium)... Thanks for all the help guys.

Delekhan
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mr. mista (Mistabud)
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 12:13 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi all, this is my first post.

I have 12 jars that are about 3 days away from 100% full colonization, and I have to leave town in 10 days from now, and I'll be gone a week or ten days.

So my question is..Can I leave my cakes in my jars for about 14 day after colonization??

Everything was done straight PF tek, and my jars will be fully colonized in only about 14 days(2 or 3 days from now), so I think that means they're healthy, right?

Did this make sense?? Sorry, I'm really too stoned right now. Thanks for any help!!
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Kaijan (Kaijan)
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 12:17 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Best to throw those jars in the fridge and keep them cool. This will slow down growth, but not harm them.

When you return, pull them out of the fridge and let them finish up.


also, make sure your fridge is relatively clean! :P


kai.
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mr. mista (Mistabud)
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 02:37 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK, thanks kai.

Should I let them colonize 100% before I put them in the fridge? Or put them in now? They are about 95% done, and they will be done in 2 days.
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Kaijan (Kaijan)
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 03:57 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Whatever stage you want to "stop" them at... They will of course grow, but very little. Let them finish colonizing if you have the time, then pop them in the fridge....

You'll need to let them wait another 3-5 days after you get back to make sure the core is colonized completely.


kai.

(Message edited by admin on March 22, 2004)
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mr. mista (Mistabud)
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 04:09 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cool, thanks a lot.
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Imok Urok2 (Imok)
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 02:32 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MrMista, check out What to do when you leave town? in the archives :)
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mr. mista (Mistabud)
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 04:46 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Great, thanks Imok :-)

One more thing....Lets say I put them in the fridge on the day of 100% colonization...How long am I able to keep the cakes in the fridge? I need to leave town for 10-14 days, is that too long??
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hippie3 (Hippie)
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 05:23 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

they'll be fine for that long easily.
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mr. mista (Mistabud)
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 05:33 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK, thanks hippie.
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Kman (Kman)
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 11:49 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok here is the problem I have a nice little setup with 7 pf style cakes and 2 large (7"x11") flat cakes. All except one of the flat cakes are about to have their second flush or just finished. I need to get rid of them or at least store them until march when I move.

Is it possible to refridgerate them and put them into hybernation or is it not worth it?
What I want to is should I jsut turf em and wait till march to start up again or can I save em somehow?

I was thinking just puttin them in ziplocs and put them in the fridge? Any ideas?
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Brettiejams (Brettiejams)
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 11:58 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'd clean up evrything real good so that all you are left with is colonized substrate. Wrap up everything real good... ziplocks are good, and put em in the fridge.

Do whatever you want with the substrate later.

It's worth a shot.
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Kman (Kman)
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 12:12 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thats what I figure, worst case scenario I just start over from spores in march, but I like to try and save em. Its gonna be hard to put em away, they are jsut starting to flush.