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whoever (Livedangerous)
Posted on Friday, September 14, 2001 - 02:11 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ive heard that the smaller shrooms are more potent but i dont want to pic them to early. do you pick them just as the primordia become little shrooms or when they are bigger just before the veil breaks, or right after the veil breaks, or what. help me out with lots of info guys.
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Ashenms (Ashenms)
Posted on Friday, September 14, 2001 - 03:22 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

right befor the veil breaks
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Vitticeps (Admin)
Posted on Friday, September 14, 2001 - 04:40 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You'll see the veil starting to tear. Pick it then.
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saluras (Saluras)
Posted on Friday, September 14, 2001 - 09:10 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

pick the Abhorts before they turn black or rot
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benofnazareth (Benofnazareth)
Posted on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 10:17 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi people. I've read all (I think) of the archives about flushes and fruiting, but I still have a question. Does everyone start picking everything at the same time during a flush? Or should I pick just what should be picked, wait for whatever else still has potential, then pick the rest as it comes? Or maybe I should pick it all when it looks pretty good, then process with my next casing or dunking or whatever?

I've already picked the choicest fruits off of one cake, but placed it back in the terrarium since there were a few smaller that might make me proud. Thanks for help people!
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relic (Relic)
Posted on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 10:27 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

pick the ones that are prime for the picking and leave the others until they are ready. usually they are all with day's apart
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Cosmic Charlie (Cosmiccharlie)
Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2001 - 09:31 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Does anyone have any good pics of shrooms that are ready to be picked? I've read the part about "just before the veil breaks," but a picture is worth a thousand words. How about the shrooms featured under the Golden Treasure conversation? Thanks for the help!
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Hippie (Hippie)
Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2001 - 11:03 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

pickin'time

Shroom Glossary
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venusfly (Venus)
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 07:20 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Hey folks,

Question:Are rotten shrooms bad for you?I have been picking these little aborts of my SOS tek casing/cakes.Some of them were turning from brown to a blueish,blackish color.Not totally black but heading that way.I then put them in a paper bag in the refrigerator.The next day I set up a drying chamber and put them in there.Today I looked at them in the drying chamber and alot of them are crispy,yet they are a dark blue but not at all what I would consider rotten.To eat or not to eat?Thanks
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Hippie (Hippie)
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 08:29 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if the flesh is firm, then you're prolly ok.
but if gets slimy, pitch it.
those little aborts can turn pretty dark, almost black, but still be ok so long as actual rotting has not begun.
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Pierno Fuller (Pierno)
Posted on Friday, November 02, 2001 - 04:02 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK....I have read about infection.

The mushrroms that were picked appear to be very healthy, although what appears to have been the veil has turned black and DOES smear. However, after this is removed-it seems to be perfectly healthy.

Is this expected--or if not what IS the case?

Thank you guys. I apologize for asking so many questions, but I do like to know!
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Marx2k (Marx2k)
Posted on Friday, November 02, 2001 - 04:10 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

These are spores that have dropped on the veil.

And youre not asking so many questions, you asked one.

Eat that mofo!
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Nan (Nanook)
Posted on Friday, November 02, 2001 - 04:11 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The veils get slimy and black. It's normal, not contam.

Shroom Glossary
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Drew Man (Dman)
Posted on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 02:50 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Should I pick as soon as the bottum of the shroom opens up and its almost flat on top? Will it die if i dont pick it right away?
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Trollhunter (Trollhunter)
Posted on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 02:59 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

pick it just as the veil starts to break
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hippie3 (Hippie)
Posted on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 03:21 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

no, it won't die for awhile yet, it still has to drop spores a few days.
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Kevin Smith (Canshroom)
Posted on Wednesday, December 26, 2001 - 05:58 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've read that harvesting should take place when the veil breaks (or just before), but then I've seen pics here of shrooms still on cakes, but the caps are flat. With my cakes anyway, there is a big difference between how the cap looks when the veil starts to rip and how it looks when it's flat. So which is better? When the veil starts to tear or when the cap is flat? Does the mushroom grow much between those two stages? Other strains might be different, but with mine (B+ and Matias) the veil starts to tear when the cap is still convex.
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Cragith Kilbonith (Kilborn)
Posted on Wednesday, December 26, 2001 - 06:45 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you want to make prints then get the cap flat. Picking them before the veil breaks is better if someone is going to eat them. Some people let the cap flatten out because its in a way a trophy. It grows very fast between those two stages.
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Scotsman (Barrowland)
Posted on Wednesday, December 26, 2001 - 08:24 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The picts u see with wide caps are for show,thats what i read anyways , but if u pick before the veil breaks the shrooms are more potent , u dont have to sit waiting for it to break just keep an eye on them.
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Mr. Tambourine Man (Tambourine_Man)
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 09:19 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm a little confused about flushes in general. So, is each shroom supposed to be picked just after its veil breaks and each abort should be picked as soon as its head turns black, until they are all picked and then the next flush begins? I always got the immpression that there was some kind of all-at-once picking going on at some point to signify the beginning of the next flush. What am I missing?
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Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer)
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 11:26 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey.

I need to know the same answers.
I have read a lot on the subject, but still don't quite understand whats going on...

I have been waiting until EVERY medium size cap
opens all the way and then I pick them all.

then I dunk 24 hours then I recase.
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Cragith Kilbonith (Kilborn)
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 11:56 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you want to pick off all the fruit at once if possible, another day wont matter. i removed my aborts off asap. your not missing anything
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Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer)
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2001 - 12:24 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You Rock Craig...

To show my respect, Every time I see someone talking shit about you, I'm going to leave the room ;)
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Mr. Tambourine Man (Tambourine_Man)
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2001 - 01:13 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So, if a couple shrooms get huge right away, and the rest are still little pins, you'd still just wait until they all became veil-breakers before picking any? Thanks!
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Nan (Nanook)
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2001 - 01:26 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok Ok... Remember Juan Valdez and his coffee beans? Fruits & clusters of fruit all mature at different times. Pick fruit right as the veil breaks if possible... If that fruit is a monster shroom in an otherwise immature cluster I let it go just to the edge of sporulating before I take the entire cluster in harvest.
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Mr. Tambourine Man (Tambourine_Man)
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2001 - 02:22 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's interesting. So you think the most important thing is to pick them all at once even if it affects your yield because you are picking some too soon? Is that to ensure a solid next flush? Does picking aborts as soon as they distinguish themselves hinder this process?
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Mr. Tambourine Man (Tambourine_Man)
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2001 - 02:25 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nan-

Rereading your post, it seems like maybe you're saying that it is most important to pick CLUSTERS at the same time, and not necessarily the whole cake. Is that right?
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Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer)
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2001 - 06:37 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"So you think the most important thing is to pick them all at once even if it affects your yield because you are picking some too soon? Is that to ensure a solid next flush?"

Is it???
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AdNauseam (Mystrysabsynth)
Posted on Wednesday, December 26, 2001 - 09:54 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i wanna bump this cuz I need the same info!!!

~K~
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plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420)
Posted on Wednesday, December 26, 2001 - 11:37 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

it seems that it would leave more nutrients for the rest of the booms to get larger...
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Nan (Nanook)
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 06:06 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah I harvest the entire cluster, not necessarily the entire cake.
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Joe Dirt (Mushroombandit)
Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 11:49 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've heard every side of the story, what is the consensus on which is better, closed veil or open veil???

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Jose Cruz (Vato)
Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 06:46 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My personal preference is right before the hymen breaks, again it is my opinion and everyone seems to have alot of those......Vato
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Snoopy (Snoopy)
Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 06:54 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

When the veil starts to tear away.
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hippie3 (Hippie)
Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 07:19 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

right around the time the veil tears,
but a day before or after is no big deal,
even longer if you want a spore print.
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Kman (Kman)
Posted on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 02:16 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just want to say I am no expert but I have grown a few healthy flushes lately and have not been able to notice any difference between closed vail or big open caps. I think the difference is probaly too small to tell for the average person. Someone more experienced might be able to tell the diff., not me though.
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Hatcher (Hatcher)
Posted on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 08:19 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How long those caps stay open Kman? Supposedly the potency doesn't plummet until it sporulates. I still shoot for veil-breakage stage, and, like Nan, harvest a whole cluster when the first one planes.. but wonder 'bout maybe raising the dry weight count if they could be left a little longer w/o quality sufferin'...
I dunno..love ta grow 'em, alotta fun, but I trade mine for cigarettes..
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Kman (Kman)
Posted on Monday, February 04, 2002 - 05:01 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ya I trade mine for butts too, and I find I can get more butts if they weigh a little more. I have even eaten some after making prints with them and have gotten nice and high. I would rather let one open up to a flat plane and get more size out of the rest of the cluster, than pick em just to save one shroom from growing too big. This is how I do it and my friends and I can't tell the difference. I say try it and see if you can tell the difference.
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sleestak (Sleestak)
Posted on Monday, February 04, 2002 - 06:47 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is just the way I understood it. When the veil starts to tear, the mushroom is at it's most potent for it's weight. As the veil opens and spreads out the mushroom gains more weight but the potency remains the same. Since a mushroom probably only gains 20% more wieght after the veil breaks, the end product would only be 20% less potent per gram. It probably wouldn't make enough of a difference for most people. I could be wrong though.
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Timothy Leary (Timothyleary)
Posted on Monday, February 04, 2002 - 08:40 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Plus spores make them taste bitter, get them before sporulation and taste is alot better.
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Hatcher (Hatcher)
Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 02:13 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's the problem Kman, love ta grow 'em, don't care ta eat 'em! Now ten years ago..:)

Still waintin' on that consensus too Joe!!
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Kman (Kman)
Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 04:46 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ya I munch a couple here and there, I don't think they are the kind of drug that should be done all time, at least for me. I just enjoy growing em and hookin up some freinds here and there. Great hobby!