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FARMER LUCKY (Farmerlucky)
Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 01:45 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How hard is it to grow the salvia divornium?
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PissyBee (Pissybee)
Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 03:00 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've heard mixed results, so I guess it depends o your skill, really. It isn't as easy as say MJ but it can be done if you meet the right conditions. The hardest part, I believe is rooting your cutting and getting it started, but, once you have it going successfully, it shouldn't be hard to keep it maintained as long as you take good care of it. I know this is vague but, as I said, I can only go by what I've read, which is mixed results. More info at Entheogen Dot in the salvia forum. Go to forums and join, then look through the salvia forum for much more info. Hope this helps!
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FARMER LUCKY (Farmerlucky)
Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 05:58 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do they sell them as seeds?
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PissyBee (Pissybee)
Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 09:35 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've heard of very few people actually ever getting seeds, they're actually called a cultagen because they almost always are grown from cuttings, making most salvia d. from one of a very few strains(like the more palatable blosser clone, or wasson clone, the original). I have heard of getting seed second hand through Daniel Siebert who has been studying salvia d. for sometime and has made some progress, but I am not sure where else you can find seeds other than him. I think it may be easier from clones in any case, though. Read up around the internet and you can find a lot more info. Cannapee Ethnobotanicals has a neat little library with some good info and pretty cheap prices.
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The Lotus Eater (Newman)
Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 01:27 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

salvia grows like a weed once you get it rooted.
rooting can be a big bitch though. I have about 10 salvias growing in my window right now.
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FARMER LUCKY (Farmerlucky)
Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 09:42 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Where can I get the clippings from?
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doyoueatfungi (Doyoueatfungi)
Posted on Sunday, February 02, 2003 - 03:20 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the other day i was at walmart and i noticed they have salvia seeds. im not sure if they were the divinorium, but they said salvia on the package. and had a picture of the plant flowering. could this be? blue and white during flowering with fuzzy green leaves?
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FARMER LUCKY (Farmerlucky)
Posted on Sunday, February 02, 2003 - 05:31 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If I recall correctly the flowers are all purple or blue. An dby the way don't try to eat the morning glory seeds that they sell its a waste of money and toilet paper.
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lurker (Lurker)
Posted on Sunday, February 02, 2003 - 07:01 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Salvia is the genus of many plants; in fact common sage, the cooking herb, is Salvia too, Salvia officianalis.

My understanding is that Salvia divinorum is extremely difficult to grow from seed.
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doyoueatfungi (Doyoueatfungi)
Posted on Sunday, February 02, 2003 - 09:14 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

already tryed dude, all i gots was a stomach ache
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Sunday, February 02, 2003 - 02:56 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you'll never find viable s.divinorum seeds from what i hear.
salvia includes many species but only the divinorum is pychoactive.
you proly saw a mint of some type.
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PissyBee (Pissybee)
Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 02:37 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Actually, Hippie there are viable seeds of S.D. but very few and far between. I have a good friend who had some and I have been told Daniel Siebert, who has been working with the plant for some time, is able to get viable seed. It would be very hard to track down but it is possible. My buddy is an administrator at a botanical swap forum and sends me many cool items for free. I've gotten a PES haw print, some spawnmate, some good poppy seeds, and some 2CI, to name a few. He had had some viable S.D. seed but I believe they have been distributed. I will keep a lookout for some for experienced gardeners with a greenthumb. Just post here if you're interested and I'll keep you in mind next time I come across some. Oh, and check out the Botanical Swap Project.
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 02:44 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yeah, ok, there are seeds but i can't get any now.
i've heard that before.
lemme know if you ever actually have some in your hand. once you make sure they are actually viable, that is.
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sleestak (Sleestak)
Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 03:26 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Did you know that the seeds you get with a Chia Pet are Salvia...not the good kind though :-)
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PissyBee (Pissybee)
Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 04:20 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Will do! I trust my friend, who is actually is credited for the Jalisco strain of psilocybe mexicana, and if he says they're viable I'll send you some, but I don't have a setup right now for growing anything green, other than cacti that I am wintering. That should change after a while, but not for several months.
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Lucky Growerson (Lucky)
Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 07:08 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Siebert had viable seeds on his website last year, but I haven't seen them in a while. Salvia rarely produces seeds, and when it does, viability is an issue. Growing from cuttings is the way to go, but they can get expensive too.

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PissyBee (Pissybee)
Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 06:01 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've read an even worse one where a kid actually stabs someone in this state. I think I read it at erowid and it probably has helped to get Salvia D. on the "to schedule" list. So please, be careful and listen to the suggestions.
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Lucky Growerson (Lucky)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 04:35 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've said it once, I'll say it again - some substances were not meant to be extracted or enhanced - look at coca vs. cocaine, beer vs. grain alcohol, salvia leaf vs. 5 or 10x - it's not natural & you're asking for trouble.

Salvia has it's uses, but the xtracts are what will be the downfall (scheduling) of this little -understood plant.

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Mark Harpole (Biochemist)
Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 09:35 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For what it is worth, STL-Missouri is the first county/state in the country to regulate Salvia D. If you want more info, then contact me at:

[email protected]

I have already forwarded this info to reseacher Daniel Siebert.
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David Burton (Eloquence)
Posted on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 04:01 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Back to the original topic, Salvia isn't very hard to grow. I got four rooted cuttings from someone I know, and promptly left them for a few days while heading off to a wedding (my flatmate didn't get round to potting them for me).
By the time I got back one was dead, and one was definitely on its way out.
So I potted the three that were still vaguely alive, and put a little baby-bio in there for good measure, and sure enough the one that looked near-dead faded away, but the other 2 did OK.
Initially I watered it plenty every day, and then the leaves started to go black - turns out I was over-watering them... but other than that I just sprinkle a little water on them each day (or every other day), and they otherwise just sit on the window-sill.

Pretty easy to grow, really, I'd say - no growing experience, and I did just fine. If you can get an already-potted plant then you should be pretty much guaranteed success.

They're right about the seeds, though, pretty few and far between - the Salvia seeds you can buy locally will be non-psychoactive ones...

Good luck getting some - even if they do regulate it you're not gonna get busted for growing your own - the plants just not distinctive enough...
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Searcher (Novice)
Posted on Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 01:50 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Doug Fraser, the Founder of The SALVIA_SF group will be in the city this weekend. Some of us are planning a get together over there that afternoon.
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Pissybee (Pissybee)
Posted on Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 04:17 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Still wishin' I could visit! I'll be there in spirit!
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I am more reliably rooting my salvia cuttings lately. I noticed that some rooted rather slowly whereas others rooted more quickly. Certainly size has something to do with it, as larger cuttings hold up better without dropping their leaves. Too often I was using short cuttings or thin cuttings. Larger stems do no even need their leaves plucked. Leave all the leaves on so that the rooting when planted can have an easier time with more photsynthetic power available. Even the leaves that go below the water surface are fine.

But the what seems to have improved root formation for me recently is placing the containers of water with the cuttings on a heating mat normally used for starting seeds. It seems so obvious, but I do not recall seeing this in rooting teks. Three cuttings that had been in their water for 2 weeks without doing much are now on the heating mat their roots are emerging. Three other cuttings that had rooted despite being off the heating mater are now on the mat and are branching their roots. A 57-65 deg F basement isn't warm enough for getting roots, particularly since evaporation of the water chills the container some.

My plants are also doing better now that I elevated them off the cool floor.

A test will be run two similar cuttings taken at the same time, one on the mat and one off the mat.

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It has been my experience in the past that using a heating pad does aid in root formation.
One does have to change the water more frequently due to evaporation and the water turning rancid. I just pour this water on some plant setting next to it and refill with fresh bottled.
I have tried using Root-tone in the water without much luck. I think it just washes off.
I make my cuttings at least 6" long, leaving the top 2 leaves, if they are large I cut the tips off with shears down to the size of a quarter. I mist my cuttings 2 to 3 times daily. On one clone it causes it to have roots all the way up the stem. Different clones will root at different speeds. The age of the cutting; new growth as opposed to old growth makes a difference as to rooting speed.
If I am able to get a cutting from a tip of a branch the size of a pencil, I usually go straight to potting soil after being dipped in Root-tone and trimmed. For cuttings further down the branch or skinnier, I use water.

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Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 01:37 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Salvia Divinorum Cultivation: The Easy Way
- by Dan McDonley

Salvia divinorum is the queen of magical mysterious plants. She requires patience, understanding, and acceptance of her often terrifying lessons. She wonít tolerate being just a curiosity, or used for thrill seeking behavior. She desires that you create a relationship with her. Even if you have never seen a live Salvia divinorum plant and have only used the dried leaves, that relationship must still be cultivated. Those who choose to not do this are usually scared shitless when they finally do force a breakthrough. But by growing this magical teacher she learns about you and what your intentions are.

Growing her in itself is a magical experience. Yet there is probably no other plant that instills such an utter fear in beginner cultivators. When I went to bring her home from the greenhouse I bought her at, I almost expected to see her in some specially controlled atmospheric chamber with tubes and misting nozzles everywhere, and the dull whine of compressors and life support systems. Instead I was handed this tough looking little plant with a thick stem and yellowish green leaves that was sitting on the table by the door of the greenhouse. In awe of this little plant I brought her home and started to grow her.

One thing to this day has always amazed me about this plant though, its amazing characteristic for adaptability. With the right setup it can not only survive any climate, but you can even go on vacation for two weeks and still see her alive when you come back. Yet not just alive but thriving! In this article I hope to dispel the myths about this wonderful plant and give you some tips on making Salvia divinorum wonderfully easy to grow and care for.

So to start off, Iím going to give you my secret setup that will keep your plant healthy even if you forget to water, mist, or even if you go on vacation for 2 weeks.

First thing you will need is a very large clay pot. At least one foot in diameter for one plant and the larger pots for 2 or more plants. Remember that salvia like lots of room to spread her roots and doesnít take well to transplanting too often. Take your rooted cutting or small plant and get it ready for transplanting. Take ľ" polyester rope (must be polyester, nylon or anything else probably wonít work) and put it in a pan of water for 10 minutes. Then feed it through the hole in the bottom of the pot so you only have 1-2 feet of rope hanging out the bottom. Then start spiraling it through the soil in the clay pot.

The easiest way to do this is to put a couple of inches of soil down and circle the rope around a couple inches from the sides and each time it nears itself put another layer of soil in. Remember itís very important to leave about 1-2 feet of rope hanging out the bottom of the pot when you begin. As you approach the top with layers of soil and circling rope its time to put your rooted cutting or small plant in now. Once its in, keep spiraling the rope up to the top of the soil. Once the soil is level with the soil you transplanted in with the plant take the rope and circle it around the stem of the plant so it is flat with the top of the soil. If you look from the top it should look like a spiral. It should not look like you wrapped your plant in rope.

Then cover with soil till you cannot see the rope anymore. Next find yourself a milk crate or other platform with a hole in it to let the rope go through. Find an empty container around the house and put it under the platform and let the rope hang into it. The closer the water level is to the bottom of the pot the more efficient the wicking will work. Water your plant thoroughly to start the system. There you have it, you have just created a wicking system that will water your plants continuously at a rate they choose. A soil mix that works well with this system is Ĺ rich dark potting soil, (without vermiculite or perlite added) ľ vermiculite, and ľ or a bit more perlite. The richer the potting soil the better, which is much like the soil in Salviaís native region. The vermiculite holds moisture and the perlite promotes aeration of the soil and along with the clay pot will make sure enough air gets to the roots.

With the wicking system outlined above you should never have to water the plant ever again, kind of. You do have to fill up the container of water when it gets low. And if the top of the soil dries out you should mist it until it moistens again. But depending on the size of your container you may not have to add water for weeks at a time. But do keep in mind as the water level gets lower, more rope is exposed to the air, and the less efficient the system becomes. But it can easily sustain a plant for weeks. You can even add your fertilizer right to the water container.

Now that you have watering under control the last thing to do is build a humidity tent. This is important especially if you just received your plant from a greenhouse or made a cutting. At this stage the plant is very used to high humidity and if you donít keep it in a humidity tent at this point it will die. What I do, is get a bunch of 3 foot plastic rods/dowels (wood will work but be careful of mold and rot). I put about 5 in the pot along the sides at the very edge. This will hold up the plastic. Now the best size plastic I have found is the plastic window insulation kits. They are kind of expensive and substituting plastic drop cloths work just as well. The thing I like is that really good double stick tape comes with it. Put a layer of double stick tape to the outside of the clay pot a couple inches from the top. Stick the plastic to the tape and wrap it around the dowels. Take the extra plastic sticking up above the dowels and twist it into a knot.

There you go, you now have a very large pot, a large humidity tent and a teeny weenie little plant. Donít worry, thatís exactly how it should be. If the humidity tent is too small mold will grow too quickly and not enough carbon dioxide will get to the plant. Once the plant starts growing at a good steady rate you can untie the tent and just leave it draped closed. Let that sit for about 2 weeks. Then start leaving it draped more and more open over the space of another 2 weeks. Finally let the top be completely open and let it grow like that for another 2 weeks. After that take out the dowels and roll the plastic down. You can either take the plastic off completely or leave it attached for when you go on vacation. When the plant no longer has a humidity tent on it make sure you mist it 1-2 times a day for a week. Then you can start to not mist quite as often. Once a day is still the best but even if its only once every 3 days it will be O.K., you may just have slight browning of the tips of the leaves. Nothing major though. Depending on where you live and your relative humidity you may need to go slower adapting it or mist more often.

So there it is, the no-brainer Salvia divinorum setup. If you need to go on vacation just put the humidity tent back up, seal it and fill up your container of water that feeds the wicking system. When you get back adapt her back to regular humidity. It wonít take as long as that first time but it still may take a bit of time. You also may want to give it a good watering at least once a month to refresh the system and wash out any accumulating salts.

The next part of this article will deal with common problems and solutions for growing Salvia divinorum, and a bit of extra info on growing it efficiently. Most of these are my approaches to problems I have experienced and have worked for me. They arenít guaranteed to work for everyone but they should, very well in fact.


One thing about Salvia divinorum is that it is readily adaptable to many different growing conditions. Everyone seems to think this plant will just keel over if the humidity is any lower then 50%. This is just not true. Salvia divinorum does like humidity, Iíll admit that, but she doesnít NEED it. She will adapt to very low humidity situations if given time to adapt. The amazing part is that she makes a magical transformation in the way she looks when grown without high humidity. The picture of one of my plants below is a good example of this.

Notice the difference in the upper and lower leaves. The lower ones have a silvery haze around the main vein and are much darker green. They also seem to droop a bit more. Then there are the upper leaves that stand out flat and have a distinct shape and visible texture. Also they tend to be a bit lighter shade of green. These are not leaves from two different plant. They show the difference in leaves when grown in high and low humidity. The upper leaves were grown with low humidity and the lower leaves were grown with very high humidity. Itís absolutely amazing to me that a plant can completely change appearance with different growing conditions.

One interesting thing is that once a leaf has changed its appearance to a high humidity leaf like in the picture It doesnít go back very easily. When adapting your plant to a new humidity or growing condition it actually needs to grow a whole new set of leaves. Thatís why we adapted it in our system above so slowly. Those high humidity leaves will ALWAYS brown at the edges and tips, some more then others. Thereís nothing you can do about it. Pick them off once you get a set of adapted leaves about medium size. These new leaves will be much more resilient to lower humidity conditions. Yet if you want them to go back to being high humidity leaves put them back in a humidity tent and they will slowly become much like the high humidity leaves. They just donít go backÖ Iíve always wondered if the potency is different between the two types of leaves. Maybe Iíll find out in a future experiment.

So if your leaves are browning at the edges and tips you are either adapting it too quickly or you are looking at high humidity leaves. Are your newer low humidity leaves doing the same? If they are then you need to think about re-adjusting it slower or misting more often. Remember with each new leaf grown it will adapt better and better to the current growing conditions.

Another problem I have encountered and still donít quite know why, is that in the evening my plants inside of the humidity tent will wilt. I just cut it back and made a cutting of it and it stopped. I think harvesting a few large leaves would also help. I think the reason this happens is that a high rate of water uptake by the roots is happening when the sun is beating on the leaves. When the light levels go down there isnít as much transpiration going on pulling up water so the cells lose some of their turgidity and it wilts a bit. It always seems to perk back up in the morning though..


This is assuming you did not opt to go with the system I outlined above. If you are watering too much you may be starving the roots for air. A clay pot and perlite in the soil will help avoid this VERY common mistake with Salvia. A sure indication that you are over watering is the appearance of thin fuzzy roots criss-crossing the top of the soil. Salvia likes moist soil but needs a lot of air in the soil also. If you are watering too much, or have your pot sitting in a saucer that collects the draining water you will suffocate the roots and will soon have a problem with rot also. Never keep your plant in a saucer to catch draining water. It will wick up through the soil and not let air get to the roots. If youíve caught the situation before rot sets in just let the soil start drying out.. Donít water until the soil starts drying at the very top. Then water until its moist. This is always a bit tricky to know how much and when to water. Thatís why the wicking system works so well. The plant and soil decides when it needs to bring up more water. The dryer the soil gets the more water will be wicked up, to a point. If the soil is saturated no more water will be brought up.

If youíve watered too much for too long or let it sit in a pan of water, rot will eventually occur. There is no saving your original plant now.. It starts at the very bottom of the stem turning it brown and eventually mushy. The only way to save it now is to make as many cuttings as possible. Put them in little containers with moist soil in a plastic bag out of direct sunlight. Let them root and try again. You can root cuttings in various ways so I wonít go over that, especially since I havenít found a perfect method myself.


Your Salvia divinorum needs light, but not a huge amount. If you adapt her slowly you can get her used to 4-5 hours of direct sunlight a day. But beware of sunburn. Sunburn at least on my plants appears as though a brown dye is injected from the stem into the leaves and moves toward the tip. It is a deep brown and is a bit mushy similar to what rotted leaves or stems look like. You will have to cut the sunburned portion off if it is too bad or it wonít regain its usual growth rate. Currently I have my plants next to a window that gets a ton of indirect sunlight but no direct sun. I think she is doing better now then when she got 2 hours of direct sun a day and shade the rest. Iíll have to wait and see if she actually is growing faster and better. But what I still recommend is at least 1-2 hours of direct morning or afternoon sun, and as much indirect sun as she can soak up. You can adjust her to more if you do it slowly though.

Growth and Development

Keep in mind that salvia will start off growing very slowly. Also every time you transplant it will take her a while to adjust and it will take time before she starts growing quickly again. I have found the larger she grows the faster she grows until she reaches her optimum growth rate. So just be patient and if youíve already waited a month or two and she hasnít sped up try a little fertilizer. Miracid or Miracle Grow work pretty good. The last thing that will inhibit Salvia growth is too small a pot. When I want to grow another plant for myself I usually root the cutting and then put that cutting directly into the pot it will have for a very long time. I may only have a 2 inch tall plant in a foot and a half diameter pot. This will ensure plenty of room for the roots to grow and also so I wonít have to transplant it. If the pot is too small it will become root bound or just slow down growth. Then when you re-pot it will take it time to get back to its regular growth rate.

Lastly when I first got my plant the leaves seemed to be yellow and thick and I prefer greener, more succulent leaves. So I started with a bit more fertilizer and gave it less light. I find the more shaded and humid it is the darker the leaves are.

Maximizing Leaf Output

Christmas tree growers do it. Shrubbery growers do it. Even YOU do it every time you cut your hedges. Its called pinching by some, but what is it and how does it work? Its very simple. At the very tip of a branch, stem, etc., there is a region called the apical meristem at the apical bud. This region is where all the cell division happens and new growth occurs. It also makes a chemical called Indole acetic acid (IAA). This chemical inhibits all the buds at the leaf nodes (where the leaf attaches to the stem) from growing. If the apical meristem creates a lot of IAA it has a high apical dominance and it usually only has one stem and no branches. Sunflowers are like this. If it has medium apical dominance and creates lower levels of IAA it has fewer branches at the top where the concentration of IAA is high and at the bottom it has many more branches where IAA concentration is lower. Christmas trees are like this. And finally plants with low apical dominance are very bushy and branch often. So how does all this botanical crap help you? Well very simply, if you remove the apical meristem you cut off the production of IAA from that bud. It then branches from that point and depending on how much IAA the lateral buds (lower buds at each node) make, your plant may branch at each node. So every time you take a cutting off Salvia divinorum it will branch at the highest intact node.

Even if you donít want to take a cutting you can pinch that bud off and it will branch there. So instead of having a tall straight plant with only 4-8 large leaves near the top, it becomes more bushy and creates many more leaves. Just remember though that if you start too high it will get too heavy and break off. So start when it is only 6-8 inches or smaller so the stem can support the bushy growth. This is the very thing you do when you cut your hedges. Your cutting off the apical meristems and causing it to branch and fill out. By doing this to a Salvia divinorum plant you will also get a fuller leafier plant.

Salvia divinorum is a powerful regal plant that requires a special relationship from the people who grow her. It seems so weak and fragile yet so powerful. Although evolutionarily speaking it seems Salvia has not done as well as other plants, in fact the very substance that makes her so powerful may be her key to survival. Did she in fact create Salvinorin to attract humans to care for her? I would guess so, but either way we are now one being with separate realities. She joins mine when I care for and grow her and I join hers when I partake of her flesh. To truly know what Salvia divinorum is all about one must cultivate her. There are as many lessons in growing her as there are in the visions she uses to communicate to us. Hopefully by sharing information about her more people can enjoy having this wonderful plant ally in their homes.


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