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cherry garcia (Cherry_Garcia)
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 04:44 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is a picture of my latest project (thanks to Visions)
This is a new name, but I have been here for awhilethe nude basketclusters
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cherry garcia (Cherry_Garcia)
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 04:47 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

some morebasket casesbasket cases
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kingforlife (Kingforlife)
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 05:18 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

oh man thats one beautiful piece of work! Congrats! yea i love cherry garcia too. Phish foods another pretty bad ass flavor
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rodger rabbit (Skyypilot)
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 04:05 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Very nice.
I had the same 'problem' on some of my baskets. I see you got all your fruits on the uncased portion of the straw. Either you and I made the same mistake with our casing, or straw simply does better without being cased. I hope more folks will try straw both cased and uncased to find out for sure. I know visions and hip have had good luck casing baskets. I haven't. Nice pics and congrats on a successful grow!
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Dunno Yet (Dunnoyet)
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 04:40 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nice pics, cg! Quite inspiring!!
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 01:15 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

sweet, you did visions proud.
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cym6 (Cym6)
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 06:12 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

simply fucking awesome
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 01:38 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

archive to visions' tek.
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myco domesticus (Mycophil)
Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2003 - 09:51 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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falsenose (Falsenose)
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 09:47 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Holy bajesus you gotta be kiddin me,

That's a purty solid bed of shroomies..

Nice,
Thanks for sharing!
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cherry garcia (Cherry_Garcia)
Posted on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 04:09 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is a beautiful set of pics if I do say so myself! However I would have to say that it was not at its full potential as the most current basket is looking much better! In the pictured basket there was too much manure IMO (I don't suggest more than a quart or two of manure per basket, perhaps less) and it was spawned with pf cakes which may work fine but don't colonize as fast and cleanly as birdseed or popcorn. What I did want to depict though is that since many clusters formed on the sides (it didn't come up through teh casing at all) that the removal of the basket itself helped allow all the clusters to form. The basket itself was flipped which would not have been good had the casing colonzed but it was an experiment and worked out fine in this case but not suggested unless necessary. SO if you try this at home, don't flip unless you need to but DO cut the basket away (make sure that you wait till it is pinning). Also be careful about too much moisture under the plastic bag as this will encourage molds. Some say don't lay plastic at all, but what seems to work is to cut holes in the plastic and be sure it is well aired out.
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 04:40 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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What I did want to depict though is that since many clusters formed on the sides (it didn't come up through teh casing at all) that the removal of the basket itself helped allow all the clusters to form. The basket itself was flipped which would not have been good had the casing colonzed but it was an experiment and worked out fine in this case but not suggested unless necessary. SO if you try this at home, don't flip unless you need to but DO cut the basket away (make sure that you wait till it is pinning).



interesting.
i see two things to comment on.
the idea of flipping out the colonized straw block is intriging, i'm wondering if it might work to leave the casing off while the straw colonizes, then flip it out/over and then apply a casing in place.
that would save the basket for re-use [i'm frugal] yet still seems feasible.
on the other, not to be critical but when you say nothing came up thru the casing itself, that was not my experience, i had more come up thru the casing than on the sides, by quite a large margin.
of course i left mine in the basket [didn't know any better but now i do, thx to you].
but i'm just wondering if it's possible that something might have been off in your casing that might have prevented fruiting. i have seen that before, where everything grew around but not thru and generally there was a problem in the casing. just a thought.
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cherry garcia (Cherry_Garcia)
Posted on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 05:56 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have no doubt that the casing mix may have been off, either in content (it was coir/verm/commercial manure compost) or in moisture content (possibly too wet). It does seem to me though that the casing layer can protect the moisture balance and I don't want to spray the straw directly. Your idea is intruiging though about flipping and casing the bottom though I would advise against trying to slide off the basket because I wouldn't remove it till the straw is already pinning and therefore one would disturb the pins. those baskets cost $1.99 so I don't mourn the loss. Now without the basket holding everything together it is much more stable upside down but will hold together upright as long as it is very fully colonized first and reday to fruit. Another thing is to be sure to allow drainage. I had hoped to reflip and try for a second flush but had to toss it because I had put the thing on a piece of plastic and the bottom casing smelled bad and was too wet.
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rodger rabbit (Skyypilot)
Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 04:29 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I flipped this one over to try that, and the darn thing was busted out with 'invitro' pins everywhere! Left it alone, with no casing or nuttin. I found a use for those old terrariums too!!
basket
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 12:52 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

that looks great.,

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Your idea is intruiging though about flipping and casing the bottom though I would advise against trying to slide off the basket because I wouldn't remove it till the straw is already pinning and therefore one would disturb the pins.



why would you wait until pinning begins ?
i think i'd do it as soon as the straw was run thru, before pinning.
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cherry garcia (Cherry_Garcia)
Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 03:56 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You could be right. I just like to wait because the basket holds everything together so I wait till the last moment so that the myc is as solid as possible and the time that the basket is without support is minimized.
Roger, that flipped basket looks great! Maybe we are onto something with the flipping
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JojoBaFruiT (Jojobafruit)
Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 05:47 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So are you using the compost out of the bag and straw "soaked" and not sterilized or such..? i saw a promising tek on Growing mushrooms from compost straight out the bag in a flower pot with a plastic bag.. never sealed.. Spores spread on potters clay while pliable and then with clean hands gloves etc,Roll the lil clay\spore pellets and place them on a clean sheet..When they are dry, they can be stored indefinitely. They won't germinate, and are sealed in the clay balls. inocc the compost with it.. water it and the balls will dissolve and colonize.Case when it is fully colonized.. .The person says it can be done in Unsterile conditions.. I havent done this, The information came from a well trusted person...
jojoba
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 02:25 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i'd have to see that to believe it, it sounds too good to be true.
it's recommended by the pros that both the compost and the straw be pasturized before using.
we had another discussion of this very issue last year [thread] and both visions and i ran tests with straight compost right out of the bag. his never grew and mine contam'd so you do take a risk.
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 02:30 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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I just like to wait because the basket holds everything together so I wait till the last moment so that the myc is as solid as possible and the time that the basket is without support is minimized.



well, i'd bet that once the straw was run thru with mycellia, as the straw's been in the basket shape several days minimum, the straw would hold its' shape quite well, inertia and all that, you know.
moving it might be harder but i think that could be avoided/minimized.
also, since the slope of the basket is now reversed, it seems possible to apply a casing both on the bottom itself and the sides as well.
unfortunately i'm not in a position to test my theory right now.
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JojoBaFruiT (Jojobafruit)
Posted on Monday, May 12, 2003 - 01:26 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a few bags of scott's 3 n 1.. Earthling said it worked for him.. The other guy also said if you can , sterilize the compost first.. but has had no probs with it.. At the nook there is a nice grow OF a shroom that weighed 6 something odd ounces.. 1 shroom! it was done this way.. no sterile enviroment bag just layed over ... jojoba
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rodger rabbit (Skyypilot)
Posted on Monday, May 12, 2003 - 01:27 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was going to do that, because there were no pins on the sides or top of that basket above. When I tipped it upside down, it had about 100 pins on what was the bottom of the basket. I couldn't even see them until I flipped it out. I think that extra humidity on the bottom, coupled with some light due to the shelving arraingment, made it pin there first.
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Monday, May 12, 2003 - 01:00 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

plus the much of the water settles to the bottom...
see, jojoba, that's the problem with not pasturizing, sometimes it works ok but sometimes it does not. so it's better to do so and minimize the risk.

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