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wongbater (Wongbater)
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 06:41 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I mixed up 4 baskets 15 days ago and covered only the tops with clear plastic. I used a staple gun to suspend the plastic tightly less than 1 inch above the casing on two and just draped the plastic over the top on the other two. I've misted a grand total of 0 times and all are pinning nicely (except at the edges). I was gone on vacation for the first week and a half. I did lift the plastic a couple times after I returned to let condensation run down to the side, and I run a hepa in a small room. Hope this saves some folks some work.
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wongbater (Wongbater)
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 06:47 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

oh yeah, I did poke a few small holes in the plastic
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rodger rabbit (Skyypilot)
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 11:18 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good idea. The plastic holds not only moisture, but also the CO2 in, which speeds up colonization. Be sure and open them up now that pinning has started. They need the air exchange.
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wongbater (Wongbater)
Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 01:52 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Think I should give 'em a good soak like visions describes? I don't know about "opening them up"... they already get a good bit of air around the sides and through the few holes. Do you mean take the plastic off totally?
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myco domesticus (Mycophil)
Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 09:59 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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By cherry garcia (Cherry_Garcia) on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 04:44 am: Edit

Here is a picture of my latest project (thanks to Visions) This is a new name, but I have been here for awhile
the nude basket
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By cherry garcia (Cherry_Garcia) on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 04:47 am: Edit


some more
 basket cases
 basket cases 2
By kingforlife (Kingforlife) on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 05:18 am: Edit


oh man thats one beautiful piece of work! Congrats! yea i love cherry garcia too. Phish foods another pretty bad ass flavor

By rodger rabbit (Skyypilot) on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 04:05 pm: Edit


Very nice.
I had the same 'problem' on some of my baskets. I see you got all your fruits on the uncased portion of the straw. Either you and I made the same mistake with our casing, or straw simply does better without being cased. I hope more folks will try straw both cased and uncased to find out for sure. I know visions and hip have had good luck casing baskets. I haven't. Nice pics and congrats on a successful grow!

By Dunno Yet (Dunnoyet) on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 04:40 pm: Edit


Nice pics, cg! Quite inspiring!!

By Hippie3 (Admin) on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 01:15 am: Edit


sweet, you did visions proud.

By cym6 (Cym6) on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 06:12 pm: Edit


simply fucking awesome

By Hippie3 (Admin) on Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 01:38 am: Edit


archive to visions' tek.

By myco domesticus (Mycophil) on Sunday, May 04, 2003 - 09:51 pm: Edit




By falsenose (Falsenose) on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 09:47 pm: Edit


Holy bajesus you gotta be kiddin me,

That's a purty solid bed of shroomies..

Nice,
Thanks for sharing!

By cherry garcia (Cherry_Garcia) on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 04:09 am: Edit


It is a beautiful set of pics if I do say so myself! However I would have to say that it was not at its full potential as the most current basket is looking much better! In the pictured basket there was too much manure IMO (I don't suggest more than a quart or two of manure per basket, perhaps less) and it was spawned with pf cakes which may work fine but don't colonize as fast and cleanly as birdseed or popcorn. What I did want to depict though is that since many clusters formed on the sides (it didn't come up through teh casing at all) that the removal of the basket itself helped allow all the clusters to form. The basket itself was flipped which would not have been good had the casing colonzed but it was an experiment and worked out fine in this case but not suggested unless necessary. SO if you try this at home, don't flip unless you need to but DO cut the basket away (make sure that you wait till it is pinning). Also be careful about too much moisture under the plastic bag as this will encourage molds. Some say don't lay plastic at all, but what seems to work is to cut holes in the plastic and be sure it is well aired out.

By Hippie3 (Admin) on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 04:40 pm: Edit


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What I did want to depict though is that since many clusters formed on the sides (it didn't come up through teh casing at all) that the removal of the basket itself helped allow all the clusters to form. The basket itself was flipped which would not have been good had the casing colonzed but it was an experiment and worked out fine in this case but not suggested unless necessary. SO if you try this at home, don't flip unless you need to but DO cut the basket away (make sure that you wait till it is pinning).


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interesting.
i see two things to comment on.
the idea of flipping out the colonized straw block is intriging, i'm wondering if it might work to leave the casing off while the straw colonizes, then flip it out/over and then apply a casing in place.
that would save the basket for re-use [i'm frugal] yet still seems feasible.
on the other, not to be critical but when you say nothing came up thru the casing itself, that was not my experience, i had more come up thru the casing than on the sides, by quite a large margin.
of course i left mine in the basket [didn't know any better but now i do, thx to you].
but i'm just wondering if it's possible that something might have been off in your casing that might have prevented fruiting. i have seen that before, where everything grew around but not thru and generally there was a problem in the casing. just a thought.
By cherry garcia (Cherry_Garcia) on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 05:56 pm: Edit


I have no doubt that the casing mix may have been off, either in content (it was coir/verm/commercial manure compost) or in moisture content (possibly too wet). It does seem to me though that the casing layer can protect the moisture balance and I don't want to spray the straw directly. Your idea is intruiging though about flipping and casing the bottom though I would advise against trying to slide off the basket because I wouldn't remove it till the straw is already pinning and therefore one would disturb the pins. those baskets cost $1.99 so I don't mourn the loss. Now without the basket holding everything together it is much more stable upside down but will hold together upright as long as it is very fully colonized first and reday to fruit. Another thing is to be sure to allow drainage. I had hoped to reflip and try for a second flush but had to toss it because I had put the thing on a piece of plastic and the bottom casing smelled bad and was too wet.

By rodger rabbit (Skyypilot) on Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 04:29 am: Edit


I flipped this one over to try that, and the darn thing was busted out with 'invitro' pins everywhere! Left it alone, with no casing or nuttin. I found a use for those old terrariums too!!

 basket
By Hippie3 (Admin) on Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 12:52 pm: Edit


that looks great.,


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Your idea is intruiging though about flipping and casing the bottom though I would advise against trying to slide off the basket because I wouldn't remove it till the straw is already pinning and therefore one would disturb the pins.


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why would you wait until pinning begins ?
i think i'd do it as soon as the straw was run thru, before pinning.
By cherry garcia (Cherry_Garcia) on Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 03:56 pm: Edit


You could be right. I just like to wait because the basket holds everything together so I wait till the last moment so that the myc is as solid as possible and the time that the basket is without support is minimized.
Roger, that flipped basket looks great! Maybe we are onto something with the flipping

By JojoBaFruiT (Jojobafruit) on Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 05:47 am: Edit


So are you using the compost out of the bag and straw "soaked" and not sterilized or such..? i saw a promising tek on Growing mushrooms from compost straight out the bag in a flower pot with a plastic bag.. never sealed.. Spores spread on potters clay while pliable and then with clean hands gloves etc,Roll the lil clay\spore pellets and place them on a clean sheet..When they are dry, they can be stored indefinitely. They won't germinate, and are sealed in the clay balls. inocc the compost with it.. water it and the balls will dissolve and colonize.Case when it is fully colonized.. .The person says it can be done in Unsterile conditions.. I havent done this, The information came from a well trusted person...
jojoba

By Hippie3 (Admin) on Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 02:25 pm: Edit


i'd have to see that to believe it, it sounds too good to be true.
it's recommended by the pros that both the compost and the straw be pasturized before using.
we had another discussion of this very issue last year [thread] and both visions and i ran tests with straight compost right out of the bag. his never grew and mine contam'd so you do take a risk.

By Hippie3 (Admin) on Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 02:30 pm: Edit


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I just like to wait because the basket holds everything together so I wait till the last moment so that the myc is as solid as possible and the time that the basket is without support is minimized.


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well, i'd bet that once the straw was run thru with mycellia, as the straw's been in the basket shape several days minimum, the straw would hold its' shape quite well, inertia and all that, you know.
moving it might be harder but i think that could be avoided/minimized.
also, since the slope of the basket is now reversed, it seems possible to apply a casing both on the bottom itself and the sides as well.
unfortunately i'm not in a position to test my theory right now.



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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 02:06 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

lol
put it in wrong place, oh well.
yeah, wong, you gotta really pour the water on these baskets, visions wasn't kidding about a qt a day.
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wongbater (Wongbater)
Posted on Monday, May 26, 2003 - 03:59 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah Hip
This post/idea ought to be scratched. Based on the pinning I thought they were going to do well, but now I can see it is going to be an unimpressive yield. Do you think that quart a day could be injected in a lot of spots with a clean syringe. It sure makes a mess trying to pour it on.
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 01:02 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i found it better to dig a few small depressions in the casing here and there, where the water could pool until it soaked in instead of running off onto the floor.
injecting would be a real pain, we switched to a garden-type sprayer.
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rodger rabbit (Skyypilot)
Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 04:59 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I tried several ways to make a PVC inner res. with lots of holes drilled into it. The first one I did worked great, but all after that ended up with trich growing down in the 'well'. I like that idea of digging holes to fill up hip. I'm gonna try that one on a few logs.
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funguloidman (Mynarsean)
Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 05:10 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

is that the basket tek without the basket?

very impressive, btw.

FM
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 01:24 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

correct, seems to help fruit a bit if, once fully colonized, you flip it over out of the laundry basket, it'll hold together fine if you are careful.
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Visions (Visions)
Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 01:17 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Congratulations...Absolutely wonderful.....One little thought about your casing......From what I understand you added manure to your straw as you layered the straw and spawn.....Well if you did that then on the sides of your baskets you made a casing...Most likely that's why it fruited all over...And when you flipped and dumped your basket it exposed more casing....Anyway...Worked great...
Now do me one favor and I ask this of everyone that uses my tek....Use your brain and don't get yourself in trouble with the amount you are able to easily grow...You know what I mean...It simply isn't worth it!

Have fun everyone!...Thought I would stop by and see how everyone is...

Visions
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Visions (Visions)
Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 01:33 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you read my posts you will find how I proved that they prefer to be cased...Then I went on to case the sides....What I found is that Only being cased on the top "OR" Casing the entire sides of the basket produced Exactly the same...BUT...Casing Only the top was so much Cleaner & Simple and much less chance for contams!...If you case the sides you will have a mess and you will have more area to mist or more area that will dry out quicker...

Keep it Simple!...If you don't want a mess only case the top! The basket will produce Exactly the same...A full basket or 1/5 bale will give you around 6lbs wet...

Visions

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