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Mushroom Zen (Sno)
Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 02:02 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

K, I started 4 36in logs 10days ago, May 26. So far they're looking pretty damn good... mostly covered in myc.

If I understand it right... by day 15 I should have some pins starting right? I take it a little bit of grass is normal? I seem to get that in all my straw experiments I've done...

So day 15 I cut the bags at the top and leave them where they lay and drape another piece over them?

Just trying to make sure I don't fuck this up... This is my 4th attempt at straw... Followed the instructions to a T. And how much can I expect on avg for 36in logs? I read somewhere about Rabbit gettin like 17lbs but that can't be right...

I'm itching.. can anyone tell? Did I mention excited?
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 02:20 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

no experience with logs per se, but i'd guess 15 days from spawning to pinning is a bit optimistic. not impossible, certainly, but i wouldn't fret either if it took a bit longer.
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rodger rabbit (Skyypilot)
Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 04:39 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So far, 16 days from spawning to first pin is the record longest. One had pins on day 10. As long as holes were punched in the plastic, it should make a few pins by 2 weeks. They usually show up near the ends. The 17 lbs was still the best, and it was a 5' log, not 3'. Note, that was wet weight.
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Mushroom Zen (Sno)
Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 10:16 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Still wet or dry... it rocks ass. but yes, I'm on little 3 footers...

If day 15 comes and goes should I still open th bags or let them sit until I have a little pinning?
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Mushroom Zen (Sno)
Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 10:17 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

BTW, I just did some more popcorn jars... 8 days from spore to full 110% colonization. How's that for good shit.
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 01:32 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

pretty impressive, i've not seen anything faster,
even with liquid inoculant instead of spores.
popcorn rocks! i saw anno's pic of some popcorn on it's 10th flush, had a cap on this shroom almost as big as a cd.
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Mushroom Zen (Sno)
Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 04:25 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

10th flush? He just keep dunking it or what? That's crazy!

POPCORN ROCKS!

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Mushroom Zen (Sno)
Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 12:50 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So if tomorrow is day 15 and I dont have the whole log colonized then what?

It still has the ends left a little... all looks healthy as shit... (not literally )

Do I need to wait till it pins or do I just open em now?
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 02:03 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

it's better to wait.
the bag helps trap co2 and maintain humidity,
it'd be harder without it.
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rodger rabbit (Skyypilot)
Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 02:20 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yep. Wait.
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Mushroom Zen (Sno)
Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 10:27 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

kk, thanks.
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not *really* a Jedi (Mycofile)
Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 06:33 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm a little curious about the grass you mention. I never saw grass in any straw substrate I did. I ded however see grass pop up where I used to cut up the straw outside. I assumed that the pasteurization just killed the seeds in the straw. My first guess would be that maybe your pasteurization was incomplete, but that doesn't make since if you followed roger's tek, because he has one of the most stringent pasteurization methods out there (a little overkill IMO actually).

So, is it common for people to see grass in their straw substrates? Maybe it's source dependent?
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Mushroom Zen (Sno)
Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 08:55 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

maybe. I have just plain straw. Don't even know wha tit was grown from... Tried to find wheatstraw but ended up getting a straders special.
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 09:47 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i see a few blades of grass every now and then, no doubt but a few seeds survive pasturization.
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rodger rabbit (Skyypilot)
Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 11:20 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Grass is good. Watch for more on this, but somebody doing casings would be advised to place some grass seed in the casing material, so it can sprout just before the mushies are expected to pin. The grass provides a path for air to migrate deep into the casing where primordia form. I think within a few months it will become standard practice to plant grass seed in all casings. You heard it here first folks. Good luck!
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 12:35 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

interesting, i can see some advantages but perhaps a few drawbacks as well. i'll be keenly awaiting your further comments on this.
what kind of grass, anyway ? there are many...
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Soliver (Soliver)
Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 01:49 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I can see how the grass would help maintain humidity around the casing . .. very interesting indeed - a nifty idea for "open air" experiments, but what about dunking? When that grass dies it'll rot all the way down through your casing - seems like a wicked vector for contams after first flush.

Wouldn't the grass also use nutrients that would otherwise go towards fruitbodies?

Just a few thoughts,

Sol
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rodger rabbit (Skyypilot)
Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 02:07 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Casing is what contams right? Scrape that shit off after each flush, dunk and recase. Anyway, try it. What's to lose? Do one small casing w/grass seed. Research is the name of the game. I heard this from a 'reliable source', trust me. That's all I can say at the moment.
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Soliver (Soliver)
Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 02:11 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lol - You don't have to convince me of your "sources" Sky - I think your experience speaks for itself...

Good point about the casing layer. I'll give that a shot - your unusual methods haven't steered me wrong yet!

Sol
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Goose (Fathergoose)
Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 04:10 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

we use rye grass, seed from your local nusery.

yes, rabbit is right about grass on top of the casing. provides the perfect enviroment for the mushies

Goose
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 01:13 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

so we're not talking a blade here and there,
we're talking a lawn.
very interesting.
'perfect environments' aside,
what's the bottom line ?
increased yield ? faster pinning ?
what is the real benefit to the grower ?
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rodger rabbit (Skyypilot)
Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 01:23 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A better, more even pinset. Also, when was the last time you saw trich in your lawn?
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rodger rabbit (Skyypilot)
Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 01:25 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And of course, to stimulate pinning, you increase oxygen, and decrease CO2. Mushies take in oxygen and 'exhale' CO2, while plants take in CO2, and 'exhale' oxygen. It's a marriage made in heaven.
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not *really* a Jedi (Mycofile)
Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 05:42 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This has actually been discussed, and done, many times over the years. It's never really caught on, and personally I only really saw a benefit when not having a proper terrerium. Bulk neglect style stuff, indoor/outdoor pots, that type of thing. I wouldn't necessarily say you want a lawn, I think that could crowd the mushies, but I've seen pretty dense plantings do very well.

My personal thoughts were that it simply created a favorable micro-climate when then cultivator didn't provide a favorable macro-climate. If you are a skilled cultivator, it's not necessary because you already get perfect pin sets anyway, and probably have an extensive and automated set-up to maintain the perfect environments. But, if you don' want to bother with control, grass in a casing provides a nice climate. Visions laundry baskets would be ideal candidates since they are very prone to drying.

And a tip, bags of grass seed are always busting open and spilling all over the floor of your local nursery X-mart etc. A few handfuls are all you need for lots of casings, and nobody would say anything about you wiping a few handfuls of spilled seed off the shelf.....

I just never saw grass coming from a straw substrate itself once it had been pasteurized. Perhaps it was simply my source, or the way I chopped the straw that seperated the seed, cuz I did see it growing all over the outdoor area I used to prep straw. Interesting, you learn something new everyday...
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Dung LOver Mush (Poopey666)
Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 08:49 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I always thought people would put colonized straw in the bottom of a large house plant pot. Case with pasteurized composted potting soil and verm plus a pinch of lime. Sprinkle on grass seeds and cover top with a white grocery store bag and leave out in a room for light. IF you get little fly's just put some onions dipped in garlic powder on a peace of paper and rest on top of the grass for a few hours. Never did here much in the way of contams
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rodger rabbit (Skyypilot)
Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 08:52 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yea, not quite a lawn, about half that amount. And even if you did have a 'perfect environment', it's still cool to see the grass growing, and it certainly doesn't hurt.
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Goose (Fathergoose)
Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 10:59 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Plant seed 2 or 3 days before end of spawn run. Day 4 to 5 it will sprout and grow. Requires some light. We cut the grass to 1" as required.

When you mist, the moisture will run down the blades into the casing.

The roots of the grass will airerate the casing and the same time strengthen it with a interlocking mat of fine roots.

For casing change after flush, it comes up like a piece of truff. Or dunk it all. with the roots interlocking, the casing will not come apart.

My friend has only used this with verm, verm/coir casings.


Goose
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 02:19 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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