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jeff (Conor)
Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 04:15 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i trasfered everything to a little 10 gallon aquarium. the perlite lines the bottom, probably 4-5 inches thick. the temp is perfect for colonization, 84-86, though the humidity won't rise above 85. i've got it sealed, there's no moisture from the water heater inside coming out. i don't understand. what else should i do? i'm inoculating the cakes tonight, then putting them in this terrarium. i guess the humidity doesn't need to be that high for colonization, but i need to get it up. any help or ideas?
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Imok Urok2 (Imok)
Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 05:56 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

First, you don't need to put your colonizing jars in the fruiting chamber
(which the aquarium will be used as).
As long as your ambient temp is 80 - 85f you are ok to put
the jars back in the box they came in.
Some folks put their box/jars on top of their fridge to
take advantage of the heat exchange from its coils.
When you transfer your colonized cakes to the fruiting chamber
then you will start misting the chamber and that will help
increase the humidity closer to 100%.
But you will want to lower the fruiting chamber temp between 70 - 75f.
The amount of perlite is good but you want it moist when
you put your cakes on it, on some sort of base.
If you put the cakes directly on the perlite the cakes will water-log.
You don't want standing water in the chamber though.
The moist perlite, combined with the misting and temps should
get the humidity up there, since there will be moisture in the cakes.
The most important thing to address, and what I believe causes
the most problems, is too much space for the amount of substrate.
The key factor is to balance the chamber size and the number
of cakes/space taken up by fruiting medium IMO.
You want to establish a ratio as close as you can of 1:1 or 1:2
of substrate to chamber space available.
This may mean using a smaller chamber when you start with
just a few cakes and then moving up to larger as you increase production.
Hip has an example chamber in the archives that barely gives any space
between the cakes and uses moist paper towels on the floor.
Great success was reported using it and the bins were easily
available at department stores and cheap as well.
The key to their success was that the height of the chamber
was just a few inches above the cakes, not a foot or more.
Contrary to most of the mico-porn you see here and on
other sites, when you first start out you shouldn't expect
giant shrooms, unless you are very lucky, on cakes.
But even if the shrooms do grow large, they will still have
just as much magic in them if they have to curl a little when
they hit the top of a shorter chamber.
And of course, as always I recommend all newbies get their
toes wet by first either using the Hippie invitro/neglect tek
and just leave the cakes in the jars for their first flush.
Or use a fruiting chamber but at least leave some of them in
the jars so if your fruiting tek doesn't work then you will
still get to see some magic and get some growing success under your "belt".
That way you can develop a "feel" for what the normal
cycle of the shroom is, and gain a hands-on education that is invaluable.
Hope this helps :)
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jeff (Conor)
Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 08:29 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hey thx. yea im going to use the invitro tek. i fruited the cakes in a chamber last time, got about 30 grams wet, which is hardly anything. i'll have 20 jars this time, and the aquarium is real small. it is about a 1:2, like you said. i'll put aluminum foil down on the perlite before placing the jars down. i have a big glass jar in the aquarium, with a water heater in it. so it's like a constant misting. should i still mist manually though? im going to just put the jars in the aquarium for colinization, bcause i already have a light set up and the temp is where it should be. then i'll move the aquarium back in the basment where it remains a constant 72-74 degrees. i guess i'll just try and mist a lot more, see if that raises the humidity any. i can't get it to break 90.
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faht (Fahtphish)
Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 09:12 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

perlite thats nice and moist with a good seal should really do the trick. if you spray the sides of your terrarium after fanning that should keep the humidity optimal.

faht
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faht (Fahtphish)
Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 09:14 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

bump, 4:20 a.m. yo!
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Jorneyer (Jorneyer)
Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 02:50 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What kind of humidity meter are you using? It may be higher than your meter says.
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jeff (Conor)
Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 04:23 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

well i hope it's not any higher, cause i can't get it high enough. it's some cheap plastic thermomente/hydrometee in one piece i got from walmart.

I don't need to fan when i'm doing invitro, do I?
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Jorneyer (Jorneyer)
Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 05:28 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If it's white plastic with red dials, I have the same one. It only goes up to 80, even when the walls are dripping. I don't know about the fanning invitro personally but I really don't think so.
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Velvet C. (Applesauce)
Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 10:16 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm confused, if you are doing your cakes invitro/hip tek, then you're not birthing them in an aquarium. The invitro tek works fine just leaving the jars somewhere around the house w/ some light. However if you do birth them some perlite and misting once a day is really all you need. I don't even have a gauge to measure humidity,I dunk, throw em in the aquarium and mist when i'm around. No perlite or anything.
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 10:41 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

he's just practicing, trying to get the humidity where he wants it for later when he needs it.
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Imok Urok2 (Imok)
Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 02:41 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Er, I'm confused
If you are doing invitro, like Velvet said you just leave
the cakes in the jars and let them fruit there.
Start with light from day one.
You can take them out and dunk them when they are 100% colonized
but you don't have to the first time.
You do need to flip the jars when approx 1/2 colonized
so there will be air exchange and any excess moisture will
drip down into the verm contam barrier.
If you are going to take them out of the jars and put the
fully colonized cakes in a fruiting chamber then you want to
start light when the cakes are 75% colonized.
You don't need the perlite in the chamber if you are going
to use it as an incubation chamber unless you live where
it is a very dry climate and the jars would dry out otherwise.
All the humidity that the cakes will need for pinning and
fruiting will already be in the jar when doing the invitro tek.
Hope this helps :)
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jeff (Conor)
Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 02:59 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i've got the jars turned on thier tops already. i just inoculated today. should i put them right side up until 1/2 colonized like u said imok?

oh and is fanning necessary when doing invitro. i've got all them in a little 10 gallon aquaruim. perlite lining the bottom. i dont know what im doing to tell u the truth. just takin it as it comes.
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Imok Urok2 (Imok)
Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 03:25 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Invitro = inside of jars.
You don't need to fan.
Air exchange will occur when you turn the jars on their lids.
The jars need to start right side up.
You don't have to "takin it as it comes"
You can get all the info you need right here.
Just follow:
Archives: Invitro Teks: Basic Invitro: Hippie3's Invitro/Neglect Tek .
If you are interested in additional information about the
general PF tek just look at the following teks, teks link, from the front page.
The simple cubensis growing guide or
the simple pf tek.
Hope this helps :-)

(Message edited by admin on March 16, 2004)
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jeff (Conor)
Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 05:00 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

how come they need to start right side up? is it alright if i stack them/>?
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faht (Fahtphish)
Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 06:05 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

sorry for tha late sarcasm but...Can't get it up eh? LOL i'm a dork... faht

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