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Leprachaun (Leprachaun)
Posted on Friday, September 05, 2003 - 01:24 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have had a few dreams in which smoked tobacco has had a very powerful influence.

The usual sequence of events is that I drink the caapi, then one hour later drink viridis/dc/mimosa, 1.5hrs later eat some well buttered toast, and have a nice peak. When coming down, I spark up a regular cigarette and start writing my post-mortem on the dream. About 10 minutes later I am tripping again quite strongly but in a DIFFERENT way. It is less visual but more insightful and thoughtful in a VERY profound and spiritual way. I would almost go so far as to say it is more profound than the pure DMT peak. It seems that tobacco has so far taught me more than dmt.

It gave me(temporarily) an understanding of all religions, time travel and amazing new technologies, supernatural powers and how to acquire them, how to cure, the meaning of suffering, everything apparently. I saw how to shapeshift, levitate, teleport, perform telekinesis and basically every other supernatural power you can think of. On one occasion it was ferociously intense and I had to stop smoking and go to bed because I couldn't cope with the power of it anymore. At first I didn't realise what was the cause of these new powerful waves of intoxication, but I gradually realised it was the cigarettes!!! I might have a 30-40 min dmt peak, come down, and then be swept away on a cloud of tobacco smoke for another 2 or 3 hours. The more cigarettes I smoke, the longer and more intensely I keep dreaming.

Shulgin says that tobacco smoke contains harmine, harmaline, and other beta carbolines and weird compounds. It seems to me that the tobacco smoke protects residual dmt and synergises with it in a strange and very powerful way. It only seems to work AFTER the peak after eating toast. I tried drinking just caapi and smoking lots of cigarettes but it didn't work at all.

Has anyone else noticed this effect?
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Hippie3 (Admin)
Posted on Friday, September 05, 2003 - 03:46 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

there are many in the jungles who use tobacco alongside their brews to kick in a different flavor.
but i gotta try this buttered toast thing you keep mentioning.
grow some tobacco yourself for extra kick.
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lurker (Lurker)
Posted on Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 12:18 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, Lep, fill me in on the buttered toast thing. What's the theory behind that?
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Leprachaun (Leprachaun)
Posted on Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 01:55 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's in the Ayahuasca.com FAQ. When you drink the dmt brew, some goes into the bloodstream and some goes into the liver. The dmt in the liver can't be destroyed because the maoi protects it. So it drains through the liver into the bile in the gall bladder. When you eat something fatty, like buttered toast, the bile is released into the intestines to digest it. All the dmt it contains gets re-absorbed into the bloodstream, giving a nice hit of dmt.

If you drink the dmt brew very fast, in a few mins, a large proportion of the dmt gets into the bloodstream and gets you tripping. But if you drink it slowly, over 40 - 60 mins, most of it gets absorbed by the liver and you only trip very weakly. Then if you wait another 30 mins or so to make sure as much dmt as possible has drained into the bile, and then eat some fatty food, you will be tripping your balls off within another 30-40 mins. I find that the peak from toast is always superior to the peak when drinking the brew quickly. Maybe it is because such a concentrated dose is absorbed so quickly right into the bloodstream from the intestines. The peak all depends on how much dmt hits you how quickly.
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lurker (Lurker)
Posted on Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 02:50 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, that's a great explanation.
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Natura (Natura)
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Posted on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 10:31 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

tabaco ? U mean mapacho ??

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Hippie3 (Admin)
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Posted on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 01:12 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mapacho by A.L. Jussieu (Nicotonia tobaccum)

Analysis, preparation, and use of Nicotonia tobaccum from "Historical, Ethno & Economic Botany Series Volume 2"

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A. L. Jussieu

Nightshade Family, Potato Family

The approximately 66 species and many subspecies, strains or cultivars of herbaceous or rarely shrubby or arborescent plants of Nicotiana are native in North and South America, especially in the Andes (45 species) and in Polynesia and Australia (21 species).

The two commercially important species are Nicotiana tabacum, cultivated in warm areas for smoking tobacco, and N. rustica, cultivated mainly for insecticidal use. Both species are believed to be of hybrid origin.

The alkaloids responsible for the pharmacological actions of much of the genus are well known: nicotine, nornicotine and anabasine are the major alkaloids of the genus, the proportion of each in the total alkaloidal extract depending on the species under investigation; strains of the two commercial species likewise show chemical variation. They are accompanied by some eight other pyridine alkaloids in minor amounts; several other common types of plant constituents have been identified in the genus which are listed in the extensive general references (e.g., Hegnauer).

Nicotiana tabacum Linnaeus, Sp. Pl. 1 (1753) 180.

lukux-ri (Yukuna); ye'-ma (Tariana); a'-li (Bare); e'-li (Baniwa); mu-lu', pagári-mulé (Desano); kherm'-ba (Kofán); dé-oo-wé (Witoto) Tobacco is one of the most important plants in the lives of all tribes of the northwest Amazon (Wilbert, 1987). It plays a part in curative rituals, in important tribal ceremonies and it is occasionally used as a recreational drug. In its various forms it is also employed in the ordinary medical practices of some tribes.

The Tukanoan peoples of the Vaupés often rub a decoction of the leaves briskly over sprains and bruises. Among the Witotos and Boras, fresh leaves are crushed and poulticed over boils and infected wounds. Tikuna men mix the crushed leaves with the oil from palms to rub into the hair to prevent balding. The Jivaros take tobacco juice therapeutically for indisposition, chills and snake bites.

In many tribes tobacco snuff may be employed medicinally for a variety of ills, particularly to treat pulmonary ailments.

Tobacco is smoked on rare occasions, except in ceremonies and curative rituals of the medicine men who blow smoke or spit tobacco juice over the patient or inhale the smoke, all with appropriate incantations and ritual. Recreational smoking among the Indians of the northwest Amazon is not common, and cigarettes are rarely smoked except in areas where tribal customs are breaking down due to acculturation and the availability of commercial cigarettes.

The Witotos sometimes smoke cigars, but this custom may be recently acquired. During ceremonies in which Banisteriopsis is taken, enormous cigars--some as long as 36 inches--are smoked, especially among the many tribes of the Vaupés. The Sionas of the Mocoa region, like the western Tukanoan tribes, also employ the gigantic ceremonial cigar, but occasionally make smaller cigars and smoke them for non-ritual use; they have probably learned this use from colonists who have come from the Andes. The Jivaros and Aguaruna of Ecuador smoke large cigars in a tobacco-smoking festival to celebrate the initiation of a youth into manhood.

The recreational use of tobacco is usually in the form of snuffing. Preparation of the snuff appears to be similar from tribe to tribe; the leaves are hung up to dry, sometimes over a low fire, then pulverized, finely sifted and mixed with about an equal amount of the ash of sundry plants. The product is a greyish green powder. The preferred source of ash for this admixture is the bark of a wild cacao tree--Theobroma subincanum. The snuff may be taken at any time during the day, but it is most frequently used towards evening when the men are taking coca. Usually it is sniffed alone, but on occasion Capsicum pepper may be added; it is said to make the snuff more "effective" The Witotos and Yukunas may; on rare occasions and in special festivals, mix powdered coca with the tobacco snuff. During festivals and dances, tobacco snuff is consumed in enormous amounts, often with Banisteriopsis amongst the Tukanoan tribes of the Colombian Vaupés. It is usually administered in snuffing tubes made of hollow bird bones o r, occasionally; in long tubes made of marantaceous plants. Almost all tribes in the northwest Amazon take tobacco as snuff: Kubeos, Barasanas, Makunas, Tanimukas, Sionas, Koffins, Witotos, Boras, Muinanes, Mirarias, and others.

Chewing tobacco leaves is common practice in numerous tribes, e.g., Cocamas, Omaguas, Zaparos, Omuranas, Sionas, Inganos; Waika men keep a quid of tobacco leaves in the lower lip all day. The Nonoyu mix tobacco with coca powder for chewing.

Tobacco juice is taken by the Jivaros alternately with Ayahuasca (Banisteriopsis) or maikoa (Brugmansia). Amongst the Coto Indians of the Rio Napo of Peru, only the shaman is allowed to take tobacco juice through the nostrils; the general male population drink it. The mestizo ayahuasqueros of Peru mix tobacco juice with Ayahuasca, crushing the leaves and softening them with saliva, leaving the juice overnight in a hole cut into the trunk of the lupuna tree (Trichilia tocachcana), the presumably toxic sap of which drips into the tobacco juice. Amongst the western Tukanos of Colombia and Brazil, master medicine men make their students drink a gourdful of the juice to cause vomiting and eventual narcosis. The Jivaros of Ecuador drink the juice in initiations, visionary quests, war preparations, victory feasts and witchcraft; even women partake of the juice in wedding feasts and initiations.

Tobacco licking is also widespread in the northwest Amazon, although it is apparently not common in the rest of Amazonia. Its concentration appears to be in the Putumayo-Caquetá region of Colombia and Peru. The tobacco preparation is a thick syrup generally called ambil. The civilized llaneros of Colombia and Venezuela customarily take tobacco in this form which they call chimb.

It is not clear whether they adopted it from the Indians or vice-versa; at least it has an ancient record of use amongst an extinct tribe once living on Lake Maracaibo, Venezuela. With Witotos, Boras and several other tribes of the northwest Amazonas, the common use of ambil, usually with coca, takes place during the early evenings before fresh coca is made and chewed. The thick syrup is applied to the gums with a finger or a stick and is swallowed very slowly with saliva and coca powder. The residue, formed by the slow evaporation of aqueous extracts of tobacco leaves, is also mixed with the "salts" obtained by the leaching of ashes of various plants. Amongst the Witotos, any male may make ambil, and there is no special hour or ceremony connected with its preparation (Schultes, 1945).

The application of tobacco in any other form, such as rectally by enema, is almost unknown in South America except amongst the Aguarunas, a Jivaroan tribe of Ecuador who apply it by clyster alone or mixed with ayahuasca. Ayahuasca is repeatedly drunk alternating with swallows of tobacco juice to cause vomiting before use of the tobacco-ayahuasca enema.

Details of the preparation of the various forms of tobacco and their use--ritual, medical and otherwise--by the Indians of South America may be found in an outstanding recent treatise with extensive bibliographic references to earlier works (Wilbert, 1987).

Nicotiana sp.

tsina (Kulina)

Rivier and Lindgren (1972)

The Kulina customarily smoke all night when taking ayahuasca; some shamans drink the juice of tobacco leaves.

Taken from:

"The healing forest, medicinal and toxic plants of the northwest Amazonia", by Richard Evans Schultes and Robert F. Raffauf.

Discordia Press. Historical, Ethno- & Ecoonomic Botany Series Volume 2.

ISBN 0-931146-14-3

This document Copyright Discordia Press

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Leprachaun (Leprachaun)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 11:37 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Strangely, it didn't mention harmine and harmaline as alkaloids. Shulgin seems to be the only source, but he didn't give a reference.

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