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plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420)
Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 10:03 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

While i was perusing (sp) the selection of organic grains and such at my local grocer, i stumbled accross a product from lundbeg farms called sweet dreams organic brown rice syrup... well, i picked up a bottle of it.. it seems to have a honey-like consistency... anyways, i figured i would try some out in a "honey-tek" style innoculation... i was just wondering if anyone has ever tried using this stuff before, and, if so, whether or not it worked out well for them... i also picked up some whole ground flaxseed meal made by bob's red mill.. maybe try this out in some substrate...
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Marx2k (Marx2k)
Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 10:10 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I saw some of this brown rice syrup at the store once in the organic section. I didnt buy it but I thought it might be a good substrate additive.
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Nan (Nanook)
Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 10:17 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have not used it personally, but I have read reports of rice syrup being used for liquid cultures with good results.
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Fishy1 (Fishy1)
Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 10:36 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What are the "fungal enzymes" in it?
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plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420)
Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 11:42 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

dunno... kinda worried me... hope it isn't what it sounds like.. i will give it a try though in a liquid culture to see how it works.. just in case i'll mix some up with good old honey too
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Nuecrew (Nuecrew)
Posted on Monday, October 29, 2001 - 01:48 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just got done throwing out my two XPMTL 1/2 pints with "Lundberg Sweet Dreams" organic brown rice syrup and shroom spores. It went from cloudy to a coagulated, crystalized, sandy, clumpy mess. I couldn't tell if mycelia was growing in it or not(after 3 weeks). It sure seems like the stuff to grow with though. What brown rice syrup is is a purified, filtered, evaporated down result of making "Ame". You start with glutinous brown rice, add koji rice(with its famous Japanese fungal starter on it)and let them ferment. After something like two weeks you get "Ame", after about 4 months you get "Amesake" with its alcohol. You can also make miso paste with koji rice. Perhaps they used the word enzyme to describe the koji with its fungus on it. I've made ame, amesake and miso. All are great fun to make! And healthy too.
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plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420)
Posted on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 02:01 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

well... i did a little of an "experiment" with honey and the brown rice syrup side by side.... both in 1/2 pint jars filled within about an inch from the top with water and mixed with a teaspoon of each into each jar... i did one of each with pf classics and hawaiians (i can never seem to remember how to spell that word)... well the honey created alot of sediment in the sterilization process and still has yet to show signs of growth in both races after three days since spore innoculation... but with the brown rice syrup (lundberg style) i have some nice growth... out of the two races, the pf race seems to be doing the best with about a quarter of an inch of mycellial tissue "evenly" accross the bottom... the hawaiians are not far behind... probably only an eighth to a sixteenth of an inch difference... in agreement with nuecrew, the mixture is very cloudy and hard to tell what's going on in there... so yeah... probably tomorrow i will do a test run in a couple of pf style jars to make sure there are no contaminants, as with the clouding i can't be too sure... looks good though
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plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420)
Posted on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 02:04 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

also... i don't know if this means anything, but the very next day i noticed growth with the brown rice syrup jars... good germination
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Nuecrew (Nuecrew)
Posted on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 04:56 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'd be very interested in your report of growth in the PF Tek jars after being innoculated with the syrup mycelia.
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plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420)
Posted on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 05:03 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i was also thinking after reading Marx2k's post awhile back about adding some of the brs to my cooking rice as an additive... seems like it would work good...
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plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420)
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 02:36 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

well... it has been seven days since i innoculated two jars with my pf brs water and two jars with my hawaiian brs water..... both of the pf's are clean and almost 80% done! very rigorous growth... the hawaiians, however, i think i screwed up.. i spilled some alcohol and i think some of it may have gotten into the jars because they are growing very thin, weak, and transperent looking.... but other than that this brown rice syrup seems to be killer.... except for the fact that you can't see what the hell is going on inside the jars
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plinkerdink420 (Plinkerdink420)
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 02:38 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

oh, btw... i ended up using whole grain rice with about a teaspoon of brs added per two pints of substrate.... i didn't have enough vermiculite to make the pf style jars and didn't have any money to buy any
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Hippie (Hippie)
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 02:40 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i'll have to look at my local organic grocer..
sounds interesting for further experiments.
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jim brown (Shrhobbyist)
Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2001 - 07:18 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nuecrew, I am interested in learning more about ame, sake and miso production. Can you tell me where I could find some good instructions for making it.