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Redmonk (Redmonk)
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Post Number: 178
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Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 01:25 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This second attempt turned out slightly better than before . I made a double batch (30 g each)using shredded caapi and viridis , both from Bouncing Bear . I used a small coffee grinder to further chop both ingredients , but not to the point of powder . Went through three extractions using lemon juice . For awhile , I kept the temp at no more than 80c , but increased during second extraction when I noticed that noticable "simmering action" ( some swirling movement on surface , a few small bubbles rising occasionally ) began to occur in the upper 80's . I also recall seeing quite a few photos of indigenous shamans standing over large , full-on boiling pots , so I thought this might be acceptable .
I don't know if this was accurate , but I monitored the ph of the brew with my ph soil tester (the kind with a probe) . Just before the third extraction , I read Leprachaun's post stating that he didn't think his original lemon juice quantity was sufficient ....so I upped it to 3 tbls. of lemon juice plus 100ml of vinegar per litre of distilled water ! Even at this level , the ph meter (if accurate) was at 6.7 .
For the final straining of each extraction , I followed Leprachaun's lead by using a permanent coffee filter . The super-fine mesh allowed just the right amount of sediment to pass through . When transferring from container to container , besides using a swirling motion to keep the finer particles suspended , I used a spray bottle to wash the remaining sediment off the sides and into the recieving container . This kept the addition of too much unwanted water from being added in , especially during the reduction phase .
I wound up with about a half cup of each ingredient (times two) .
Around midnight I began consuming the caapi . Very nasty and bitter , but a small sip of OJ and a water rinse after each gulp made it doable .Got that down in 15 min. , then waited a half hour . It took about 50 min. to get the virdis down....almost starting to gag with each foul gulp .
About 45 min. later I began to feel some minor effects and slight nausea . About 30 min. later nothing had changed , so I gave up and fell asleep . I would've tried eating some toast or drinking more viridis , but I knew that that would make me puke immediately .
About one and a half hours later , I woke up slightly and began to turn over.........then suddenly WHAM !! Swirling mosaics and multi-layered moving rope-like things weaving through everything . It's working ! What a way to wake up ! It was fairly intense for an hour but then the nausea returned and reeled me in somewhat . I managed to fall back to sleep . Woke up at 6:00 am and finally vomitted . Felt sick the rest of the morning . I wonder if a good old dose of Pepto-Bismal might coat the stomach and help prevent this ? Now that I've had a taste , I want to go in deeper...............
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Leprachaun (Leprachaun)
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Post Number: 253
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Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 10:59 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm glad you finally got a decent trip. Using a spray bottle to rinse out containers is a good idea.


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It took about 50 min. to get the virdis down....almost starting to gag with each foul gulp .
About 45 min. later I began to feel some minor effects and slight nausea . About 30 min. later nothing had changed , so I gave up and fell asleep . I would've tried eating some toast or drinking more viridis , but I knew that that would make me puke immediately .




If you had eaten toast at the time you fell asleep, you may have puked but the dmt would have probably been all absorbed from your stomach by then, so there may have been no loss. Then you could have eaten more toast when you felt better after puking. Worth trying next time just to see.

Lemon juice is very irritating to the stomach and digestive tract. Maybe if you had used only vinegar, the sickness may not have been so bad or persisted so long. I don't know if Pepto-Bismal would help. Try it next time and let us all know if it works. The thought of drinking a brew with both lemon juice and vinegar and washing it down with orange juice turns my stomach.

Good luck with your future attempts.




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Blodwen_1 (Blodwen_1)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 02:42 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was just thinking drinking OJ, Vinegar, and lemon juice, are three completely different chemical compounds giving you more odds of upset you're stomach; maybe Pepto-bismal on top of that huh? You should name that drink, and patent it. Perhaps try keeping it simple for future attempts.

Leprachaun- can you break down you're bread digestion theory?
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Leprachaun (Leprachaun)
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Post Number: 257
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Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 09:58 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I explained it all in another thread but I can't find it now. DMT builds up in the liver and bile, and when you eat fatty food, the bile is released and the DMT is absorbed into the bloodstream.

(Message edited by leprachaun on September 30, 2003)
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lurker (Lurker)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 10:14 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I read that in the ayahuasca home page too. I have some dispute with it, though. While it makes sense that some of the DMT would end up in the bile (everything that you absorb through the digestive tract goes through the liver for detox before it goes anywhere else; some of the DMT gets through and some gets put into the bile), when the bile is released from the gall bladder into the intestines some of is then absorbed into the bloodstream and some goes out with the feces. That portion that is reabsorbed then goes back to the liver. Again, some will get through and some will be put into bile. This is called enterohepatic circulation. So, while causing a bile release would put some more DMT into circulation, I don't think that there would be a major rush of it.

On the other hand, Leprachaun has actual experience with this, while I'm just theorizing based on my knowledge of anatomy and physiology. Frankly, when I try my brew (soon!soon!) I'll probably have something with fat in it on hand to promote bile release. I mean, why not?!
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Redmonk (Redmonk)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 12:09 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why not ? Well , because you may soon be heaving it up all over the place ! (just kidding , except in my case ).
I only added the extra lemon juice and vinegar into the third extraction , so I think that probably contributed more to the heartburn/reflux while the tannins brought about the nausea .
I have another batch left (30 g each) . I think I'll prepare an additional 20g of viridis to add to it and try it out this weekend . With Pepto Bismal !
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Blodwen_1 (Blodwen_1)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 12:25 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would think Pepto might be MAOI safe however I'd do a litle research just incase.

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Redmonk (Redmonk)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 12:27 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Will do....thanks . I wonder if some honey before hand would coat the stomach ?
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Leprachaun (Leprachaun)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 11:33 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm not sure of the physiology behind the "toast rush". There is a big difference between drinking viridis slowly and fast. It seems that the liver can only cope with a certain amount of dmt, and the excess goes into the general circulation and to the brain. If viridis is drunk fast, or a large amount of dmt is released all at once by toast, the liver is overloaded and the dmt hits hard. If it is drunk slowly, the liver can cope and absorb it, and there is only a minimal buzz until toast is eaten. However Hippie3 says he doesn't need toast at all. Redmonk, it is strange that you only started tripping about 3.5hrs(?) after starting to drink the viridis, without eating anything. Maybe you were dreaming of food?
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 11:53 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i get off gangbusters and never eat anything,
so your experiences will vary.
if it's starting to look like the brew was a dud,
then sure, eat some toast well-buttered,
nothing to lose at that point.
but i get sick quick if i try to eat after dosing on a brew.
i stick to water and fruit juices only.
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