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Regular Expression (Xeger)
Posted on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 02:01 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A friend (really, a friend!) suggested something to me the other day that I thought made a lot of sense. He pointed out that I could put a reservoir in the cake before sterilization, by inserting a soda straw into the verm+BRF mixture, and clearing out the inside.

Can anyone see any potential pitfalls in this technique?
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drylander (Romelur)
Posted on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 03:59 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

um, isn't that the way everyone does it? stick the handle of the stiring spoon in the middle, fill with vermiculite as you put the contam. barrier on?
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Nan (Nanook)
Posted on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 03:43 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

PF recommends a "Sharpie" as the right size for IR Tek holes in cakes.
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Fanaticus (Fanaticus)
Posted on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 07:08 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I need to remind you all, that after a few
experiments, I have found that the PF race
shroom is inclined to rot with this tek.

I don't like it anymore. The standard
PF double ended cake casing tek works all the
time.

One can get cobweb mold. I think I have made a
interesting discovery. Cob web mold smells like
good dirt (earthy smell). When it attacks
PF cakes, the cob web only attacks the verm layer and it doesn't seem to get "virulent". IN other words, it seems to not kill the shrooms but still, One doesn't need mold along with the shrooms.

The Inner reservoir tek can be plagued with cob
web mold because I think the inner reservour has
no air available, which might stimulate the
mold.

PF
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Mike Damarius (Catcher84)
Posted on Saturday, November 17, 2001 - 09:15 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the info PF.
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Nugdumper (Nugdumper)
Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2001 - 02:28 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I disagree, I have never seen results from a double ended casing that i have seen from the IR.
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UnkyHerb (Notapplicable)
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 01:48 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Use more verm for the casing layer
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Snoopy (Snoopy)
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 02:03 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yah I have about 10 jars to birth soon. THe double ended just consists of the cake sitting on wet verm in the cap, and a pile of verm that you keep damp on top right? And the cakes keep taking water from the verm right? Does it at all inhibit shroom growth on the top of the cake? Sure seems like it would. And is the difference noticeable / is the life of the cake prolonged between flushes..... = )
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Nan (Nanook)
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 02:16 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes
Yes
No
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jim brown (Shrhobbyist)
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 08:43 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

On the contrary Snoopy, the casing layer seems to be where most of the shrooms grow from on cakes.
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Hippie (Hippie)
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 04:42 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yup, something about the vermiculite/mycellial interface triggers pin formation.
definitly improves both cake yield and lifespan.
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Liberty_Caps (Liberty_Caps)
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 07:16 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

about the inner reserver I have 9 pf jars colinizing right now 4 hawwian and 5 PF
I dident make the inner reserve when I made the jars,, so I was wondering if I can make it when I birth them????? what would I use to make the hole???
but If I'm going to make the hole after birth will it up the chance for contamanation alot???

because last time I made the IR I had a great first flush but then my cake turned green

and another quiestion if I may.
I have a medium sized terrium and was planing packing it kinda tight with cakes,,
If I get contam on 1 cake will it spread to all of my 12 cakes really fast????
or say one cake does turn green while in my terrium while its packed..
should I take ALL my cakes out and sterlize my terrium then put them back in thier??
well any response would be GREAT!!! thanx everyone for all the help!!!
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Hippie (Hippie)
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 08:00 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you can use a drill to bore the hole for the reservoir. i'd wait about a week after total visible colonization b4 drilling, to allow the mycellia to colonize the core.

definitly, molds will spred fast from one cake to another, so quickly isolate any
suspect/bad cakes well away from your good ones, and sterilize the terrarium.
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Fishy1 (Fishy1)
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 08:07 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I used a piece of aluminum tube to make the hole.
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Cragith Kilbonith (Kilborn)
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 08:11 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you can use a bic pen and just break off the black end and punch it all the way threw the cake, i placed mine on alot of crappy magazines and just punched right threw then filled with verm and used a clean empty syringe to water it all down and did the dbl ending tek ontop. results were great but i still like dunking better. yep contamination spreads fast inside of the 'maids so try to catch them before its to late. did i ever post my mexi cubes pics doing this tek?
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ShrooMaster (Shroomaster)
Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 02:03 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if this hasnt been done before i dont know why. the pentek from a while ago where you stuck a pen a lil way into say a pf cake fuill it with verm and water it directly like that. ive twisted that a lil. take a fat pencil like from the kndergarten days and drive it all the way in to the cake. this produces a donut like effect. its important to remember to tamp the verm when your putting it in. i have yet for one to grow over. you could easily inject 5cc in the hole. you could take one and split it and see how it does. i would suggest waiting about 3-5 days after complete visable colonization to avoid undesirable effects.

there would be alot more area to ingest soy milk or whatever to in a dunkng situation.
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hippie3 (Hippie)
Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 03:01 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

why even fill the hole with verm. ?
why not just drill a hole and fill it with water ?
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ShrooMaster (Shroomaster)
Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 01:47 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

as i understand it borrowing a hole in a cake gives contams a open door. it also stalls the cake. this way the myco seals it natrally and you dont have to worry. when the jar is colonizing you need the verm barrier and you cant have that with a hole all the way throgh the center. the verm holds water and allows the cake to ingest at its own pace. so what do you think?
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Kaijan (Kaijan)
Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 01:56 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think its a waste of time when there are more productive efficient methods available.

But that's just me. I wouldn't want to take the time to drill holes in the cakes and stuff them with verm, then water them... especially since its easier to dunk/case.

kai.
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saluras (Saluras)
Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 07:46 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i know this has been said before, but i want to tell everybody of my experience. if you make your jars with a hole in the middle to hold water, you can increase your yields dramatically. if your growing PF classic they almost stop to abort, i'm talking about 7g's dry per cake per flush. i've done this with B+, PF and Hawaiins. I noticed the biggest difference with PF, hardly any abhorts. if you keep the cakes well hydrated there are fewer aborts, and mean a bid difference. just try it, when you make the cake in the jar, use a tube or half a syringe to create a chamber in the middle, then fill with verm and PC like normal. after colinazation you can inject water into the middle. big fruits, less abhorts. its great!
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Imok Urok2 (Imok)
Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 10:34 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Saluras, check out Hip's Voodoo Tek
where he talks about putting holes in the cake
for better fruiting thru better hydration.
He suggests three holes, and they can be put in
after the cake is ready to be birthed.