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jared (Jared112)
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 04:57 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just wanted to know from somebody who has tried this TEK before, how often should I be watering the verm on the top and bottom layers of the cake? Is it possible to over water the verm? I noticed that I had some water run down the side of my cake when I was watering it. Is that really bad? Thanks all.
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Cbee (Cbee)
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 06:59 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

what are you using to water? use a mister and mist the verm a few squirts every so often, dont over do it... i dont think the mycelium likes being soaked, there is such a thing as over hydrating a cake, it goes all mushy! but ive never done this tek, just from other experiences
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Nan (Nanook)
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 07:06 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I use a syringe and I wet down the casing when it is dry. I tell it is dry by pressing a clean fingertip into the verm.

You can soak the casing down until it is dripping, but you can't keep tyhe casing in that state. Do not reapply water until the cake has absorbed the mositure that has already been provided.
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jared (Jared112)
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 02:25 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It does not see that the cake is absorbing any of the water from the verm. It feels like rubber, I think that they got really dry inside my incubator. I would really rather not dunk the cakes, because I spent so much time getting it set up inside my terraruim.
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Is the mycelium suppose to be hard and rubbery like that? I always thought that it was suppose to be really soft and fragile. My cakes haven't even turned blue yet, from when I picked them up and I even dropped one, no blue. Maybe they are too dry from my incubator.
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hippie3 (Hippie)
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 03:17 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

it's very hard to get cakes to absorb water,
that's why we invented dunking, to get the job done quickly.
you're always in a hurry, so dunk.
otherwise, you'll need to be patient as the cake slowly absorbs water from the verm. over several days.
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jared (Jared112)
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 03:37 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok you convinced me, I'm going to dunk today! I can't wait I need to see some mushies growing to keep me entertained. Did you know that by the way when I had pins invitro I spent over an hour looking at them. Soooo cool
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jared (Jared112)
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 04:19 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I got 5 of the 11 cakes dunking so that I can compare the results of dunking at birth and not dunking. I have the cakes in the jars full of water in the fridge for a cold shock. How long do I want to cold shock them, the whole 12 hour dunk?
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hippie3 (Hippie)
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 04:58 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

that will be fine.
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Kaijan (Kaijan)
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 09:21 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i find 6-8 hours does just as well.


kai.
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Dr. Cubesis III (Newbieshroomer)
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 10:26 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL!

Jared,

Watching the invitros grow!!

A FOAF of mine fed his girlfriend about an eighth so she could see what they feel like on the outside, my friend ate a quarter... She fell asleep!!! So he sat beside his 20 gallon tank and watched his mushrooms grow for about an hour!!

It was an interesting experience, he could SWEAR that he saw them growing before his very eyes!!
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jared (Jared112)
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 11:12 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

sounds fun, once I have enough of those little guys to play around with I think that I might try that... I can see it now, tripping balls in my room staring at my open fruiting chamber watching the mushrooms sway side to side and move and melt. I'd be like, "I can see them grow!".
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Nan (Nanook)
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 11:56 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In my experience they do not grow right before your eyes. You can stare at them for hours and they won't grow. Then turn your back for a few minutes and... You guessed it... Hours of growth while you fixed a sandwich

I am only half teasing
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Cbee (Cbee)
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 12:04 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

nan, do you just boil the syringes to use em? or does it matter if they are sterilized? one of the cakes is blueing so i plopped some damp verm ontop to give it some moisture, think this is what it needs? once this flush is over, into the dunkin it goes, Im thinkin about using skim milk next time, this cake looks pooched already and its only on 2nd flush! any suggestions?
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I feel so weird (Phishgrower)
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 12:46 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jared, from my experiences your cakes seem ok. I'm not saying a flush is a bad idea, it's just that mine have not been soft like you are expecting. Indeed, they are somewhat strong and rubbery on the outside--the mycelium is very strong. I'm not sure exactly what you were expecting, but my cakes have not been soft and fragile. But they will discolor from over-handling.
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jared (Jared112)
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 01:32 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I noticed that my cakes are starting to get a few blue spots on them, Thats good I guess, at least I know my mycelium is alive, haha. Anyway, I just always thought it would feel like a soggy sponge or something because that's just what it looks like in the pictures.
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Cbee (Cbee)
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 02:10 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

blueing is a sign of dehydration.. watch those cakes...
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Patrick (Valence)
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 02:18 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Blueing is also bruising. And since Jared just birthed his cakes I think that the spots he is talking about are from his fingers. Blue Shrooms Check out the archives
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Nan (Nanook)
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 03:51 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Squirt water for verm casings a-la "Double-end Casing" (or any other Casing Tek with a clean syringe shooting clean water. It does not have to be sterile, just clean and well rinsed with clean water. You can also use a polyethylene lab wash bottle to squirt cakes.

If you have lots and lots of cakes and beds the purchase of a cheap plastic pressure sprayer is well worth the money, and saves lots of wear & tear on the finger joints. Keep the side walls of your fruiting chambers well misted.

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