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TooMushTrippin (Toomushtrippin)
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 10:20 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ive heard mixed opinions about perlite, can anyone give me some advice on whether or not i should use it? i'm using a rubbermaid container for a terranium (i have no room for a glass one) could i just use a water spritzer for humidity and not use perlite? any alternate way to get good/decent humidity in a plastic container? also, do i need a drip shield for this, and is there some sort of humidity gauge i could buy to monitor humidity? thanks for any help, i will be birthing cakes for my first time this weekend
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Doc Thirst (Doc_Thirst)
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 10:39 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a buddie who is using perlite for the first time. In the past he has used an ultrasonic but after reading all the raves about perlite and it's ease of use, he decided to give it a whirl. He is a little disapointed, whether it's do to the not so warm temp in his basement or poor sealing of his container (also rubbermaid) he does not seem to be getting high enough humidity. In fact he is gonna try to clean up that mess and reinstall the ultrasonic tonight. Just my 2 cents worth, there are MANY others that seem to be having great luck.
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Dr. Cubensis (Shroomzilla)
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 11:06 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yea,


My friends have tried both, check out the perlite faq... IMHO if you only have a small container to work with, perlite is perfect. If you have good seals humidity will come. The only real downsides to perlite in my experience is:

The smell of bad perlite.
Contams can travel very fast thru perlite.
messy as hell if you are not careful.

CHeck it out to mush.
You really don't wanna bother with th sonic humidifier. For a small terrarium they are over-rated. Don't worry about the drip shield either.
It IS better for your mushies if you have one, but if you don't they will still live and fruit fine.

Don't worry about monitoring humidity. if you open your container, there is water beaded everywhere, humidity is already perfect.

Here is what you do. It's so simple it's hard.

Soak the perlite real good, drain, add an inch or so to the bottom of your chamber. on top of the perlite bend some chicken wire or some mesh to sit inside keeping your cakes OFF the perlite.

Truth be told, using perlite you will rarely even need to handspray, perlite is an amazing humidity
provider, provided it is used right.

for your first time.... I would dunk the cakes overnight, close to 24 hours but not over, then pf double case tek. Set the cakes in your terrarium,
and then go to the kitchen and make more cakes with the jars you just freed up. That will keep your mind off of foolong with the set up.

You will need light as well, and running a fish tank air pump in would be a bonus as well.

Fan twice a day until you eventually get sick of it and it becomes more work than fun, then fan once a day. Within a week, or two, you will have mushies.

Good luck, and don't let the details drag ya down.
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Dr. Cubensis (Shroomzilla)
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 11:09 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

oh, to solve yer problem doc, go get a reptile heater and slip it under the terrarium.

The heater under perlite will solve the cold/humidity trouble. You were almost there :)
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Jesseb (Jesseb)
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 11:23 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

When I first tried perlite I was not to impressed. Never could get the humidity up. So I finally got an old water bed heater and put that under the terrarium. Now I have to wipe the top of the lid off once a day to keep water from dropping onto the cakes. The really good thing about the perlite is that you can go away from home and not worry about spraying the sides of the terrarium. So I guess that perlite is all right as long as you have some sort of heat under the terr. Just my 2 cents.

jesseb
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Dr. Cubensis (Shroomzilla)
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 11:44 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

he wouldn't hafta wipe if he had a drip shield...

Dude, back the heat off a little and the humidity
will decrease. Not enough to affect your shrooms, but to keep it that wet, without a drip shield, is asking for trouble...

Added my two cents, now we have four, lets get some candy.....
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Kman (Kman)
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 11:46 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I use perlite with a cool-mist and it is producing nicely. I do need to seal my chamber a little tighter though, but that way I get constant air exchange with out fanning.
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Jesseb (Jesseb)
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 12:09 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All right "Dr.Candy Man" The only prob with this water bed heater is you can't get it down below 70 degress. i am planning on puting a drip shield in or maybe just cracking the lid a little, don't know which. i just have to get out of town to get and plexi glass, so it will have to wait for awhile. I am soaking up the water droplets with a paper towel when they get on the cakes. But that is only every other day.

jesseb
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Nugdumper (Nugdumper)
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 12:31 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Drip Sheilds are in no way necessary. Just thought I would throw that in.
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Mr. Tambourine Man (Tambourine_Man)
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 12:54 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Have you guys ever tried vaseline to keep water from condensing and dripping?
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Dr. Cubensis (Shroomzilla)
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 12:59 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

not necessary, but they DO have thier uses if you have room in the chamber to add one :) In the large glass 20 gallon my friend has the drip shield is a NEEDED thing. He gets that terrarium so tropical that it is difficult to even see in...
The thing litterally drips down the sides and from the top every time I look at it. Only fan once every two or three days, and besides adding and subtracting cakes do nothing to it. On that note also have a fish tank heater looped thru the tank to circulate at least a lil fresh air :)

As for the heat problem, maybe try and raise the
terrarium an inch or so above the pad...

Not sure... A waterbed heater is a pretty big, tough customer....

Reptile pads are perfect in the sense they are designed to keep animals warm, but without burning them. Waterbed heaters are made to keep a HUGE amount of water warm.... What is the size on that heater?

A reptile pad would cost under 20 bucks....
But if the bed heater is working :)

Anyway, just in here again in an effort to stop minding my own business :)
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Jesseb (Jesseb)
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 02:36 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The water bed heater is about two and a half foot long. temp settings anywhere from 70 to about 100 degress. I use it cause the room that I have my project in is damned cooled at night, mid 50's. Also it was on hand and I didn't have to go buy any more stuff for this project of mine. The girl gets a little testy when we go shopping cause all I want to buy is shroom related.

Dr cubines how does that work out not fanning three times a day? Any bad side effects on the shrooms that you have noticed? I guess that is kind of a stupid question or you wouldn't do it. Just thought that fanning was important.

jesseb
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TooMushTrippin (Toomushtrippin)
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 02:44 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thanks for all the feedback guys, i already have a reptile heater so that shouldn't be a problem; ill give the perlite a shot. a few questions: how exactly do i fan? is dunking before birth a good idea? or just after flushes? how crucial is light cause this thing is under my bed and the lid isn't clear...
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Jesseb (Jesseb)
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 02:58 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

just take the lid off and fan it with that. just a few passes over you terrarium is good. you can dunk at birth. take the top layer of verm off and fill the jar with water. dunk after a flush. you need light to get pins going. a few hours of light should be enough. sorry no capital letters. i am typing with my three month old son in my hands do you know how hard that is?
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TooMushTrippin (Toomushtrippin)
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 03:42 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i appreciate the trouble you're going to to type to benifit my shrooms! i can live w/out capital letters thanks for the help