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Spun Yun Gi (Spunion_Elf)
Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 11:03 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I spent all of this morning and most of this afternoon shopping for supplies, since my spores are due any day now. Here's what I got:

1 bag polyfill

1 roll of heavy-duty banding tape

1 reasonably tight plastic container. that'll hold 8 pints comfortably. There's no room for a drip sheild, so I might just use coke bottles and jars as terrariums, and use the tub for supplies.

4#'s of organic brown rice flour

1 doz. 1 pint wide mouth Mason jars, with a dozen wide mouth 1/2 pint Kerrs on order at the hardware store

2 35cc syringes, and a pack of 1 1/2" 16ga. needles

1 spray bottle

1 tub of dessicant

1 themometer with built in (probably worthless) humidity gauge

1 pack of dust masks

1 small oil candle and a pint of Bacardi 151 rum for flame sterilization (although in hindsight I could've gotten a fifth of generic 151 vodka for a buck or two more)

1 2-gallon jug of reverse osmosis filtered water with a handy dandy tap

1 bottle of light corn syrup

1 22 ounce Heineken to celebrate getting my butt in gear before the last minute.

I already had pearlite, vermiculite, a container and screen for drying in the garage, so I think I'm in good shape. I just have a coupla questions:

How necessary is a drip sheild?

Since I could only find light corn syrup, do I double the ammount for liquid culture?

Can any body else think of anything that I'll need to get started?

Thanks for reading this far, and for answering any questions.

Spunion
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Nan (Nanook)
Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 11:17 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have never used a drip sheild, lots of people here don't. They are a good idea with some setups. If you use Perlite and mist the sidewalls only of the fruiting chamber, you will get by just fine.
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ion ewe (Ion)
Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 11:49 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No on the corn syrup. That's the recommended kind.

A pressure canner?

Paper towels, another spray bottle, 91% iso, bleach, masking and electrical tape, makeshift glove box...

one more beer.

-ion
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Spun Yun Gi (Spunion_Elf)
Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 05:34 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks guys. The pressure canner is on my list, but out of my range at the moment. I figured I should have gotten another spray bottle while I was there, but I have to go back and pick up my half pints next week anyway. The other things you mentioned, ion, are already around the house, except my iso is only 70% I think. And of course I don't have a glove-box, but have all the materials and will make one after my first flush to try my hand at cloning. I gotta clean my entire house before I get started (what a pain in the ass), it's a mess and sure to be harboring strange life forms. But thanks for the input. It's good to know that I still have the brainpower to get this organized. I only missed a coupla things, but all the major stuff is in order.

And ion, I'm way ahead of you on that beer. ;)

peace, kids

Spunion
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Snoopy (Snoopy)
Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 07:01 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bacardi 151 rules.. my favorite alkymahol.
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Ron (Clubbenguy)
Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 03:08 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sheesh, I would drink the bacardi and go buy some rubbing alcohol for $1.50
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Spun Yun Gi (Spunion_Elf)
Posted on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 02:54 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've never seen rubbing alcohol around here that's strong enough to burn.
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dan k. (Cheerio)
Posted on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 03:56 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i agree with ron. waste good rum to burn, you outta be a shamed of yourself =)
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Ron (Clubbenguy)
Posted on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 04:58 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

really, not at like a local grocery store, or a walgreens or any pharmacy???? Usually comes in like 91% or 97% pure rubbing alcohol. Burns like a charm.
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Primitive Experience (Primitiveexp)
Posted on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 05:16 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would recommend distilling your own alcohol. No, it's not necessary by any means, but once you get set up it probably costs between one and two dollars per liter to make. Were talking 70 percent ethanol here. And since you can't drink the heads (the first 50 ml or so of distillate) because it contains methanol, you could burn that!

Oh, operating your own still is illegal... but that's probably a drop in the bucket compared to growing shrooms anyway. So why not! If you do it, I could give you lots of personal experiences and a word of caution. Be careful drinking this stuff! I drank about 2/3 of a pint the first time I sampled and got so tanked I couldn't function.
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Swampdog (Swampdog)
Posted on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 06:13 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

even better than that brewing of acid out of Foster's Ale?? :) :) s.d.
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Hatcher (Hatcher)
Posted on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 07:28 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm taping four-hole lids to the bands now..might want to pick up some masking tape, painter's grade, and forego the polyfil..keep it simple, least til ya get some harvests under your belt. There's a thread goin' now debating even the need for tape. Covering 36 holes takes time, let alone polyfil. Save that for liquid culture teks and such. Using plenty of tape gives ya something to write on...

Dissicant already..I like the confidence! But I know you've done your research, will be successful your first go-'round, and will eventually be shoppin' for a dehydrator!..:)
Good luck!
Hatcher
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ion ewe (Ion)
Posted on Saturday, February 02, 2002 - 08:01 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Where are you finding 97% iso OTC, Ron? 91% will burn, but I've never seen higher in "rubbing alcohol" bottles.

-ion
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Brettiejams (Brettiejams)
Posted on Saturday, February 02, 2002 - 08:13 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think they have 97% alcohol behind the counter in the drug section at Costco.... if they have one where you live.

Only 99 cents for a normal sized bottle.
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jim brown (Shrhobbyist)
Posted on Saturday, February 02, 2002 - 08:50 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In Michigan, you can get 99% Iso rubbing alcohol (Meijer (a Walmart type) caries it). I use it to soak my bowl parts and get the resin out. Pour on a flat plate and wait a few hours for the alcohol to evaporate leaving only resin and clean bowl parts. Can't use 91% or the 9% water messes the stuff up.

I also use it to soak my hand and light on fire for 2 seconds. Ever try that? It's a pretty cool party trick, doesn't hurt at all. Just shake your hand real quick as soon as you start to feel it. Doesn't even burn your arm hairs (too badly).
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Brettiejams (Brettiejams)
Posted on Saturday, February 02, 2002 - 09:40 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Light your hand on fire, huh?

No thanks.


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Vitti (Vitticeps)
Posted on Saturday, February 02, 2002 - 11:12 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'll stick with using a zippo to light my smokes. :)
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Spun Yun Gi (Spunion_Elf)
Posted on Saturday, February 02, 2002 - 03:35 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I got zippo fluid all over my hand once, and didn't realise it. Lit the lighter, and WHOOSH! my whole hand was burning. I just stared at it for a few seconds in disbeleif (stoned as I usually was in those days). Once it dawned on my that, yes, my hand really IS on fire, I shook it out. Never actually got burnt, or felt any heat, but it was definately a very surreal moment of my life.

Any way, If I can't find 91% iso, I'll just use denatured alcohol for sterilisation. That stuff is like a buck a gallon I think.
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Fishy1 (Fishy1)
Posted on Saturday, February 02, 2002 - 04:02 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I love to go shopping. My local hardware has all sizes of jars, plastic lids, vermic, perlite, worm castings, polyfil, straw, pressure cookers, rubbermaids, fans, filters.....
The only thing I cant get at the 1 store is rice flour, which I rarely use anymore!
LOL on the alcohol! I was just checking a plastic tray w/ a lighter to see if it was dry(of alcohol). Well, up went my arm and the tray- and the tray shriveled up to nothing by the time I got my arm out!! MAN!!!---we dont listen, do we?!?!?!
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ion ewe (Ion)
Posted on Sunday, February 03, 2002 - 02:57 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Um... don't use denatured for sterilizing. It can leave really nasty residues. OK for burning, though. Oh wait... that's what you meant, isn't it? Burning for sterilizing. Hmm...
I would be afraid of excessive carbon buildup from the "denaturing" agents. That's why one uses a pure alcohol flame... May work, though. Experiment before doing the real thing.

-ion
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jim brown (Shrhobbyist)
Posted on Sunday, February 03, 2002 - 04:40 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Brettie, that it seems so dangerous is what makes it so cool. In fact it is not dangerous at all. Did you ever see the movie FX? A similar trick is done, but with a man's whole body. It is basically the same as filling your fist with fumes and lighting it. Surely you've seen or done that.

Vitti, lighting your hand is a harmless party trick. Smoking cigarettes on the other hand...
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Brettiejams (Brettiejams)
Posted on Sunday, February 03, 2002 - 05:12 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Quote:

In fact it is not dangerous at all



You're kidding right?

Would you want your 8 year old doing it?

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jim brown (Shrhobbyist)
Posted on Sunday, February 03, 2002 - 05:50 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I get your point Bret. Let me rephrase; it can be done safely if done properly by an able minded adult. Kids and simple-folk; do not try it at home (or anywhere else).

Keep in mind also that the definition of dangerous is not based around eight year olds. Should an eight year old drive a car? Should an eight year old use the stove? Should an eight year old build a bonfire? Should an eight year old reshingle your roof? Should an eight year old...

You get my point? Perspective. Peace.
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Brettiejams (Brettiejams)
Posted on Sunday, February 03, 2002 - 06:14 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All those things you mention are dangerous, to 8 year olds and 30 year olds.

Dangerous is dangerous, period.

My statement was based on the fact that you said it wasn't dangerous at all.

I know you weren't advocating letting an 8 year old do it... I was just trying to make my point.

And by the way, It would probably be safer to let my 9 year try that trick rather than some of the drunks I know.

I'm not trying to rub you the wrong way here.... just a little friendly debate.

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jim brown (Shrhobbyist)
Posted on Sunday, February 03, 2002 - 06:19 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

One more thing; The flaming hand is a good trick like any trick (sword swallower, fire-breather, magic acts) because it plays on what you believe and what you expect. You think "A hand on fire, that must burn like the dickens." But in reality the flame burns all the alcohol off in one quick burst. So quick that the flame does not have time significantly raise the temperature of your hand before it has run out of fuel and is gone. Have you ever seen a chef put his hand in ice water for a few seconds and then reach into a pot of boiling liquid?

And yes, I was going overboard saying "harmless" and "totally safe" because with any fire trick there is a risk present. But it is because risk seems so much greater than it truly is that makes it such a great trick.
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Brettiejams (Brettiejams)
Posted on Sunday, February 03, 2002 - 06:27 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybee next time we hook up you can do it for me?



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jim brown (Shrhobbyist)
Posted on Sunday, February 03, 2002 - 06:29 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey, you posted when I was typing. Brettie, I would expect nothing but friendly debate from you. No need to worry about that. In case it turns out I am underestimating any risks (ala the frat house in Revenge of the Nerds), I'm having a spare Tombstone made up that reads "Brettie was right."
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Spun Yun Gi (Spunion_Elf)
Posted on Sunday, February 03, 2002 - 02:40 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I thought denatured alcohol was just good old ethanol with some added methanol to make it unfit for human consumption.

Oh, and here's a cool party trick, one of my friends in high school used to INHALE the flame from a bic lighter! he used to do another fire trick, but I can't remember it now.
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ion ewe (Ion)
Posted on Sunday, February 03, 2002 - 04:48 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, but that is in a chem shop. What you'll find in a hardware place is methanol mixed with acetone, toluol, ethanol, and something else (can't remember). Just look at the labels. Remember, if it doesn't say what's in it... you don't want it.

I can "breathe fire". That's a fun trick as long as you do it right... had to burn off a few good eyebrows practicing.

-ion
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Fishy1 (Fishy1)
Posted on Sunday, February 03, 2002 - 05:07 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The alcohol I use is some kind of "industrial grade" used at my job.
It smells like rocket fuel as compared to the storebought that you can get (denatured).
I think it is clean...I will check the label tomorrow....
I like good ol bleach and elbow grease best!!