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Soliver (Soliver)
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Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 11:37 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know I've been talking about this for months, but
that's just the nature of this particular beast...
These jars sat for ? how many months? I forget -
I won the spores here at the summer Mycotopia Madness,
so that should give you some idea of the time
commitment involved. These jars have traveled with
me to three different domiciles in the past several months,
to be birthed here, in the state of bliss :-)

Hope you all enjoy:

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Soliver (Soliver)
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Soliver (Soliver)
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The pics with the pencil are the final crop from
the one big ball jar -
the others are the stuff dumped out onto the plate.
Cropping is a real pain in the ass with popcorn -
I have to go through each nodule to see what is
corn and what is nugget. The stones grow around
the corn kernels in an odd fashion. The smell is
heavenly - like bitter nuts of some sort, yet still
shroomy in a . . . masculine (?) way.. I dunno.
I think I may have a contact buzz from having my
hands in this stuff - the smell is potent as hell.

Thanks for the spores mycotopia,
let me know if you have any questions!

:-)

Soliver
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Soliver (Soliver)
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Post Number: 510
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Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 11:51 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

BTW-

In the background you see the big mason jar with
the popcorn kernels soaking in water.
The last time I cropped a jar with bare hands,
picked out the stones, dunked the leftover corn
and returned it to a cleanish jar after draining.
The top 1 inch of the jar dried out quickly and
seemed to sort of "seal in" the rest of the corn,
and now there are new nodules popping up,
it is the bottom right jar in the 2nd picture.

In some of the jars, mycelial threads formed and
reached out towards the open air. When they met
resistance with the bottom of the jar (or the lid,
depending on the orientation of the substrate)
a stone formed, out in the open air, fed by the tiny
corpsucule-like mycelial threads. One jar has a
stone about 2cm across floating there with mycelial
threads fractions of a mm thick feeding it....
like some sort of fungal fetus.
fascinating stuff,
but I'm still gonna eat it :-)

Sol
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Roc (Rochester)
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Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 12:26 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Congrats and thankz for sharing... can't wait for a buzz report!

Roc
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myco domesticus (Mycophil)
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great looking ,curious on the finer differences in effects between these and shrooms
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Imok Urok2 (Imok)
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Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 01:09 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

archive material
Great Pics
Hope this helps :-)
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Soliver (Soliver)
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Post Number: 511
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Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 01:40 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Woof! Finally made it to the Archives!!

Thanks -

My first bio-assay was some months ago. I was dissapointed
until I got hold of a gram scale. I had only eaten 1/4 gram on my first try, so I went again
(keep in mind these fruits were younger) with a gram
with great effects. Not sure yet how to word the
differences, that'll take some practice :-)
but they don't seem like normal shrooms to me.

The stones are dense as hell and when they are dry
it's very difficult to crunch them up. But the
taste is FAR superior to shrooms, somewhat bitter and
nutty - like an unripe walnut, and with no ill-effets whatsoever.

I'll post when I have further info.

sol
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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great posts and great pix too.
thx for sharing.
i think i'd just eat ANYTHING even resembling sclerotia just to be sure,
a little popcorn isn't gonna hurt ya.
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Joe Millionaire (Rotterdam_y2k)
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GORGEOUS!

Here is the question of the millenium...

How much initial corn weight compared with finished sclerotia weight?

Example: 200 grams of corn are loaded into a quart jar
100 grams wet sclerotia harvested per quart jar


"Ekam Sat Vipras Bahudda Vidante"
The One Truth is named by the wise in many ways.
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Sharkie Jones (Rainbowfungus)
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Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 04:44 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What type of Mexicana is this? Very nice Soliver been waiting a long time for those pics.
God bless the Post Office, and tyvek.
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Smerd (Smerd)
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Always wondered what these guys look like. Thanks for sharing the pictures.
Initiative comes to those who wait.
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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it was mexicana A strain, i do believe...
we gave away some in our "Mycotopia Midsummer Madness" contest last year.
incidently,
that's the same strain we're giving out in our 2nd Bare Nekkid Ladies contest to the top 5 entrants so i'd say the odds look pretty good that you'll soon have some headed your way, sharkie.

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Sharkie Jones (Rainbowfungus)
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Looking forward to it Hip. I didn't know that strain would work on popcorn, thought it only liked rye grass. Hey Soliver did you inject with tissue or straight spores?
God bless the Post Office, and tyvek.
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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I didn't know that strain would work on popcorn, thought it only liked rye grass.
first time i've seen it, too.
btw-spores were from www.sporeworks.com



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Soliver (Soliver)
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Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 09:31 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mexicana A strain, according to the printed tag
on the syringe...

They're grown from straight spores. After innoculation, they
took 2-3 WEEKS to colonize the popcorn in my
incubator... I didn't see any growth at all until
after a week at least. Very slow growers.

I'd never seen them grown on corn either, but at the
time I had never used other grains so I figured I'd
give it a shot. I still have about 1/3 of the
syringe left in cold storage - I'm going to try some
dextrose jars with the remaining spores, as I had
no success fruiting these out.

In the past, I've been able to fruit ANY strain in
a jar (not sure of the tek but I call it "rabbit style")
but these wouldn't take. My setup is a super lo-tek,
pack-n-go deal, so I probably just couldn't give the
mycelium what it needed in an atmosphere...

I don't have a big enough scale to give you a weight
to fruit ratio, but I can tell you that I'll probably
get about an ounce of stones from that one big jar.
When you hear "philosophers STONES," they aren't
kidding... those fuckers are dense and lose a mere
50% (give or take) weight by volume after drying.

For anyone that plans on growing these in the
future: I'd probably stick to grass seed. The
popcorn worked, but the stones grew mainly on the
outside of the jar, up against the glass. From
what I've read / seen of rye jars, the stones grow
throughout, and I imagine the harvest is also easier
due to the size of the grain.

I'm glad I used corn, as to my knowledge it's a first :-)
but next time it will:

1) Start w/ dextrose water (save spores - no fruits to print)
2) knock up a dozen jars
3) try a G2G with at least 2 jars - this is something
of a concern for me due to the slow growth rate
of the mycelium, but nothing ventured, nothing gained.
4) use rye seed in lieu of popcorn
5) use lids with polyfill holes instead of tyvek / tape
- I think growth was stunted in some jars due to lack
of moisture
6) water the crop just like any other mushroom.

I used a syringe to inject distilled water into two of the
jars over a month ago. The mycelium perked up nicely,
the stones grew a good bit, then they crapped out.
I think the stone formation saps the nutrients like
mad and even with extra water, they can only do so
much...

Perhaps a nutrient solution??? Who knows. I have
a lifetime to perfect this.
I'd suggest this to anyone who, like me, sometimes has
to "set it and forget it."

I'd love to get one of these things to fruit sometime,
but unfortunately I just don't have the setup or
the time (or the gumption for that matter :-) )

As always, thanks to Mycotopia - without all you
guys and gals I'd be floating about with no one
to share these little triumphs with but my wife
and she doesn't really appreciate the process, just the end result.



Soliver
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kev d (Sydlexic)
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"But the
taste is FAR superior to shrooms, somewhat bitter and
nutty - like an unripe walnut, and with no ill-effets whatsoever".


taste good AND no stomach discomfort!?
i gotta get some from my local head shop, do you think its worth payin 1/3 more for them (fresh of course, dry would be illegal! god bless the uk)than normal cubies (HAW, EQ, or Thai)

how visual are they? or is it more like a euphoric high/buzz?

Peace, Syd
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simianschoice (Mayakujoshroom)
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Syd, go out and buy a bag full, they're totally worth it. different in a way thats a bit tricky to describe, best experienced.

Bare in mind that the loophole could get closed if ANY bad stuff happens to someone while theyre baked. Like that dude who dived/base-jumped at college in the US, anyone gets hurt here and it will all be gone. No new strains to try on a whim, no big blue monsters to clone, no stones you dont grow yourself.

Even if you dont think theyre worth it afterwards, its a wonderful litle thing we've got that you might not get to enjoy for too long.
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kev d (Sydlexic)
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thats why i plan on making the most of it
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The
popcorn worked, but the stones grew mainly on the
outside of the jar, up against the glass.

then perhaps one would be better off using smaller jars, like pints or even half pints.
that would increase the surface area : volume ratio and so should give a higher % yield in stones. bags perhaps even more so as one could lay it out in flatcake fashion to maximize surface area for forming sclerotia even using popcorn.
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kev d (Sydlexic)
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i have yet to try those little beauties, but a friend tried them last week, dont think he got any visuals, maybe just longer after images, he said every thing was fascinating beyond belief, especialy natural thing, he did about about a gram, only his second time doin mushies, first time he did 1/2g psilocybe cubensis
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Soliver (Soliver)
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BioAssay tonight - I'll report in when it all falls down..

sol

:-)
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Frank (Eib)
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I think I found out more in this whole post then in Amsterdam about these lil babies.....Almost got some there but didnt know what to do with them( first time seeing em ) But they sound damn good...will have to give this one a shot...damn problem is..ive only grown once...and got only 2 flushes...but hey....One can do what he puts his mind to, right
Nice pics
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see http://archives.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/2/96304.h tml?1074306619
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food for thought
Jungle
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Re: mexicana A strain on popcorn [Re: Hippie3]
#2248000 - 01/17/04 08:53 AM Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply



I have grown the SW strain on many different typs of grain. These include millit, poping corn, rye grass seed, millit, wheat, mixed bird seed and various combinations. the popcorn did well in terms of yeild but the percentage of tiny stones was huge. Each grain of corn was encrusted in sclerotia which had formed in the gaps between grains. there were some biguns to but none were huge.
this happened to a lesser extent with the other grains used.
All in all rye grass seed was the winner only large stones with an average weight of aprox. 10-15g and the biggest being over 60g.
The rye grass seed yeilded 175g per 2litre jar with 1.5 litres of pre cooked RGS per jar in 8-10 weeks.
I also find that the RGS. is easyer to sepparate from the stones with very few seeds in the stone.
I would not use popcorn again after using rye grass seed.
Hope this helps. ;-)
Ignor my spelling!

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Each grain of corn was encrusted in sclerotia which had formed in the gaps between grains.
seems to me that there should be a way to make this phenomenon work to our advantage.
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Pskovinsky (Pskov)
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Seems like you ought to be able to take a couple chunks of wet sclerotia and use them to innoc new jars.. isn't that pretty much why that strain forms them? to outlast bad conditions till the sclerotia can grow out into more myc. and fruit? I thought i read that somewhere... might be something to try at least.
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Soliver (Soliver)
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I bio assayed 1.75g last night...
Overall I'd have to say that the effect is
very much unlike normal cubie shrooms.
I'd also like to debunk the super-potency myth
surrounding these stones. Potent, but no more so
than normal (even low grade) shrooms.

Not to say that the experience wasn't phenomonal...
not many visuals, but the mental distortion is severe,
intense, mind-blowing. I was very coherent, able to answer the phone, talk to the neighbor, etc., without
any paranoia or discomfort, but the entire time it felt..
as if I was walking through some kind of spirit world - a bizarro version of my home - a dark room
seemed enshrouded in black mist.. hard to explain,
but a very different quality.

Again, no weirdnessand no nausea,
but the trip lasted 6-8 hours as opposed to the standard
4 hours I'm used to w/ shrooms.
I attribute this somewhat to the density of the
sclerotal particles, that no doubt take longer to
digest than normal shroom particles..

more as it comes,

Soliver
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kev d (Sydlexic)
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a friend of mine did them this weekend, 1g, but he very inexperienced, said the only way to describe it was that everything was fascinating, and he felt like he was on 'a quest'?
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Soliver (Soliver)
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I'd go along with that - although the "quest" sensation
is no stranger to me & my trips, I felt it more strongly
with the stones.... strange.

sol

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