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#21 Alder Logs

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 01:08 PM

I think this will be where you will stand your watches:

 

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 01:18 PM

And remember, when on watch we use our eyes, not our hands.

So..... NO TOUCHING THE CONTROLLS!!!

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 01:53 PM

What makes it great? A good ol' fashioned battle of good and evil...

 

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 Lana Del Rey has joined a nationwide occult effort that seeks to remove President Donald Trump from office through the power of witchcraft.On Thursday, Del Rey mysteriously tweeted, "At the stroke of midnight Feb 24, March 26, April 24, May 23. Ingredients can b found online." While early speculation wondered whether the tweet had something to do with her upcoming LP, those four dates aligned with the lunar calendar's "waning crescent moon ritual dates."

 

Occultists noted that, on those four dates, practitioners of witchcraft would congregate for a mass ritual that would with the hope that their efforts resulted in Donald Trump's removal from the Oval Office.

 

A representative for Del Rey confirmed to Pitchfork that the singer's tweet was in support of those efforts, with the necessary ingredients including "an unflattering photograph of Donald Trump," a small bowl of water, a small nail, a "tiny stub of an orange candle" and a Tower tarot card.

 

The participants will then hex the president and "Bind [Trump] so that he shall not […] fill our minds with hate, confusion, fear, or despair."

 

The gatherings on the waning crescent moon, which symbolizes weakening, will continue until Trump "and all who abet him" have vacated positions of power.


At the stroke of midnight 

Feb 24, March 26, April 24, May 23

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Ingredients can b found online

 

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 09:03 PM

You'll like the symmetry of my irony... My answer is 3 things.

1.
(US Constitution) Article 7 - Refers to a Lord and a Time with reference to The Lord.

Means to me that our Country's Foundational structure was inspired by none other than the Lord Jesus Christ or Yahshua as I've read that men have been compelled to iterate. 0000 - Must have been an exciting year!

2.
Article 4 Section 2 Clause 1 - The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens of the several states(paraphrased from memory).

Means anything legal anywhere is legal everywhere.

3.
This free speech in this post which took multiple days of normal life time to type that has taken a decade or more of on and off study in normal life free time situations was largely ignored (except for some "likes" - Thanks Guys!) in the thread "Who's in charge of the USA"

I'd love a lawyers response to this argument!

There's a few overlapping answers here, some you'll like and some maybe not.
Simple Answer : Money / Business is in charge in the USA. Business (by design) benefits from the status quo (tax scam) by remaining silent about its creators' sin. Each "credible" business is created by the Secretary of State of the same state in which it "resides". Kinda weird that the PR department of government is involved with business creation, remember that. We're all familiar that the definition of "person" has been stretched in law to also mean corporation, and congress has taken the liberty to stretch that meaning around your SS#. It's also weird that since the federales jurisdiction is primarily foreign relations that they use the term non-resident alien in their tax code and that the state's leach off of this system (as is evident in the state in which I reside) as the basis of their own taxation system. My state income tax states "as the federal 1040, line 5" or some such thing...
Spiritual Answer : God has always been in charge. Evil is allowed to exist with authority for it's time, personally I think to further define the Goodness that is God by allowing the antithesis of His thesis to exist. Definition by contrast - If there was only ever goodness since the beginning of creation, how would we even know the depths of Goodness without having witnessed the wickedness of evil? Is the best warning flare ever, not the Bowls of Wrath that are poured out where He still allows people to make their own eternal decision of Christendom - To be or not to be?
Legal Answer : A united People. Only a united People may be in charge of and in the care of the decisions that effect other people like You and I. Anything else will result in Disorganized Chaos (DC).
1776 - Our founders Created this country as and with documents of self defense and they limit the choices of governance and quite often specifically forbid things as can be read in The Declaration of Independence.
1777 - The first constitution known as The Articles of Confederation was adopted by the continental congress and later ratified by all 13 colonies in 1781. The Articles has one very grievous flaw - it couldn't fund itself, federally. Our founding fathers were so prejudiced against taxes that they created an entire system of government that couldn't even fund itself and after eight years in operation, DECIDED ON A NEW FORM OF GOVERNMENT & created the constitution with Article 5 and the 1808 timeline to fix the situation of equal taxation among the people. They gave themselves close to 20 years to think about and solve the problem of a juggernaut runaway all taxing government, and they did it in the first 12 amendments (before 1808)!
1789 - The current constitution is created, amending the previous form of government the Articles of Confederation, through the right of amending or abolishing a form of government from the Declaration of Independence. One of the forbidden items specifically mentioned in Article 5 (the rules of amendment creation) is that, provided that no amendment which shall be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight (1808) shall in any manner effect the first and fourth clauses of the ninth section of the first article(Article 1 Section 9, Clauses 1 & 4). Article 1 Section 9 Clause 4 (I'll refer to it as clause 4 or the 4th clause) has the direct opposite verbiage of the sixteenth amendment.
1791 - The Bill of Rights and first 10 amendments are created. The 10th amendment is the coup de gras for congress, past, present, and future because of WHEN it was ratified (prior 1808) AND because of it timeless verbiage of granting future powers not delegated/enumerated in the constitution. It's a sealed loop, since it was created before 1808 AND since everything not written down in the constitution at the time of the 10th's passing, must pass through the 10th which may not effect the 4th clause pursuant Article 5.
1795 - The 11th amendment is passed. It is a limiting judicial power amendment and as long as it isn't used to effect the 4th clause, is constitutional. If it is used and the 4th clause is in question, it would be an unconstitutional application of it.
1804 - The 12th amendment is passed, which is how presidents are elected still to this day and their executive power to enforce anything that effects the 4th clause is plainly unconstitutional because the amendment of how they are elected was created before 1808.
1808 - The first year an amendment may be created that may legally effect the 4th clause, except anything enumerated after the 10th means nothing if it effects the 4th clause. There are only 12 amendments that are ratified prior 1808, so we must only examine the first 12 to ensure that they do not effect the 4th clause.
1913 - Since we as a united People created an outsourced representation, it was only a matter of time until the abominable love of money found a way to represent we the good people of the united States of America the fiftieth. The love of money has seeded itself in the halls of congress from the beginning of 1913 with the 'cough', "passing" of the 16th Amendment to the Constitution, aka, the income tax amendment, unconstitutionally I will add with over emphasis. Later in the year around the celebrations of Christiandom, when family congressmen would have been long on their way home to be there in time for the religious holiday, the federal reserve was born.
1935 - Congress, still an awesome platform of power, added a new department to compliment it's authority of taxation , the SSA with rules, laws, (that it regularly reformats, to cover its tracks, I mean for clarity), to facilitate the fraud and robbery of property in the form of money. In the congressional head, they got the authority in 1913 to tax us at different tax brackets and every violation of the 4th clause you can think of and just needed the mechanism to cash-in on that "authority". Now-a-daze people quickly know how to hand over everybody's rights and their own SS# without even batting an eye. People that know the 104 year old truth have had to seek it out and unearth it with the light of reason. Why does the back of "my" social security card, clearly state, "This card belongs to the SSA and if we request it back you must return it."? They gave me something that isn't even mine to share with anyone under penalty of fine, imprisonment or both, yet all business's created under the Secretary of State require employment submission of the same number I'm technically not allowed to share, that the SSA kindly provided the tools of confusion.
2017 - In closing, Business allows the system of corruption, because: 1.) It makes money from it, 2.) They write the laws that congress passes without reading (I wonder why), 3.) The system has a color of law, (legality) 4.) Because most people's tax law knowledge comes from history lessons from mom and dad...that just paid the damn tax.
That's the truth as I've learned it...please correct me where you know I'm wrong!
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Posted 03 August 2017 - 10:31 PM

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 06:09 AM

 

I'd love a lawyers response to this argument!

 

I'm not licensed yet but I'll bite.  First I need some clarification though. 

 

First I am interested in your proposition that any amendment subsequent to the 10th must "pass through" the 10th.  Any amendment that is passed effectively becomes part of the Constitution, and may modify it in any way.  If the 10th prospectively limited further amendments, then there would be almost no further power to amend because the plain language of the 10th purports to "divvy up" all powers.  It would be an absurd result.


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Posted 04 August 2017 - 06:54 AM

Each and every one of you that are citizens here, and even if you are not, makes America great on a moment by moment basis.................

 

Riding down the road to my home from the midnight shift the other morning I went to cross the bridge up from my house........It is dedicated to a soldier that was killed in action.......a memorial bridge........

 

Looking to my right I see stars and bars in the weeds and as I passed I could see it was our flag someone tore down and threw away in the weeds.....It's missing from one of the lamp posts just up the road from the bridge....I could immediately hear the anthem and remember my military training intensely.......I could not let it go....Down shifting I wheeled into the car wash and parked my scoot and I got off. My eyes filled with tears as I walked back across the memorial bridge to the other side and about three quarters of the way back a co-worker, also riding American Iron and a Marine (friggin Jar Heads), spied out the flag in weeds and then saw me. He knew where I was going and saluted me.....I returned the salute. And when I got to the flag I picked it up, shook it out, and in stead of burning it or wiping my ass with it, as much as I bitch and complain, I folded it up correctly and solemnly, and I took it back to the sign that dedicated this bridge to a fallen brother and placed it there. I'm thinking about posting a guard duty on that bridge..............dude died so some shithead could tear down the flag, OUR FLAG, and shit on it without being shot at.............makes me wonder why I served...........

 

Every color, every creed, every sexual orientation, every individual and by extension each neighborhood and community that loves freedom and liberty makes this place great.....each and every day......WE are in charge of America......and the opposite is also true..........WHAT WILL YOU DO TODAY? You don't have to buy the junk being sold to you.......you don't have to support anything you don't want to......but you'll need balls and brains to do it..............IMHO

 


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Posted 04 August 2017 - 09:54 AM

Symbols are nothing.   All symbols.   There is no truth in them.   They don't mean the same thing to any two minds.    They might mean something similar, but never the same.    All that comes into the senses is available to personal interpretation.  It is our personal interpretations, learned or conceived, that we are willing to fight each other over, go to a police action here, a world war there.   We are convinced enough through symbols, the logic of the mind, that there is an 'us' who believe some unique association of symbols in some unique way, to further believe that there is some 'other' over there, across the street, or around the other side of the planet, who must be forced, under an armed threat of death, the reality of their bodily deaths, to submit to some idea that really wasn't ours to begin with.   Insanity.    Symbols are not real.   They are conventions that we allow to control us, not trusting we have always had no need for such controls.  It's someone else's game, and we have been playing it so long as our own that we can no longer see it.   The person who tore down the flag has an idea that is no worse that any other.


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Posted 04 August 2017 - 06:26 PM

Isn't the whole point that it's not great? We're waiting for it to happen again...correct? Any timeline on that? I've got some things I've been putting off 'til it's great again.


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Posted 04 August 2017 - 08:18 PM

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 10:58 PM

. I'm thinking about posting a guard duty on that bridge..............dude died so some shithead could tear down the flag, OUR FLAG, and shit on it without being shot at.............makes me wonder why I served...........

Emphasis is mine, but please consider...

 

Perhaps the dude died because some recruiter sold him a bag of bullshit, or some judge gave him a choice of prison or military service, or was drafted and threatened with incarceration, or wanted to go to college and could not afford it without some help from the GI Bill. 

 

It is all well and good to put a smiley face on a death, but it is seldom that simple.  Arathu I appreciate your passion and commitment, but think that you may still bear some scars from your indoctrination.  I appreciate your sacrifice to your fellow citizens but now you have lived more and we can see from your posts that you have a broader view of life and your place in it.  Wonder if your current view of our government would allow you to kill on command because some old man in Washington told you it was your Duty to Your Country?  I trust your own judgement more that I trust your ability to be easily manipulated.  I am honored to consider you a friend with a different background and perspective,  but with a good heart and mind.


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Posted 04 August 2017 - 11:55 PM

I know my recruiter lied his ass off.   I was already in the navy before they faked the Tonkin Gulf Incident.   I got close enough to get my medal and some tax free pay, but I was never "in country."  My actual mission was breaking international law and violating the territorial waters of certain countries to electronically spy on them.   Anything to keep more of the proverbial dominoes from falling.   Killing Commies for God and country so Raytheon and pals could stay on the gravy train was easy the way my part went.   No one was shooting at me if we stayed quiet and didn't get spotted. 


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Posted 05 August 2017 - 12:22 AM

  I got close enough to get my medal and some tax free pay, but I was never "in country."  My actual mission was breaking international law and violating the territorial waters of certain countries to electronically spy on them.  

Perhaps you were never "In Country" in the colloquial sense but, You may well have been "in country" in the legal sense.  Perhaps the only reason no one shot at you was because they never knew where you were.  Being unseen has kept me out of jail most of my life.  :ph34r: 


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Posted 05 August 2017 - 08:53 AM

The fact that human beings are "symbol" manipulators does not negate that certain sets of symbols, if that is how we want to designate "ideas", are more preferable than others.

I will gladly take the "ideal" of true freedom (regardless of its current reality) over say North Korea's idea of hive mentality.

One can be free in their mind anywhere... But it sure works better in some places rather than others. America, for all it's faults (and they are many and in some cases greavius) nonetheless is one of those better places. Founded in the principles of freedom, it's symbols preferable.
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Posted 05 August 2017 - 09:06 AM

So long as we don't get led by our noses.    Flags are nothing to me, most certainly, nothing sacred.   And to separate the universe, world, country, neighborhood, by notions of categories, pure invention and supposition, hasn't served human beings realizing their best potentials.   This is no more than one opinion, once rendered into the symbols of language.   The vision of oneness arises in my consciousness, and something wants it expressed.   The experience of division is known at some level to be illusion.   Its tool kit is full of symbolisms, evoking Pavlovian responses.    In the quiet of being, there remains only one.  



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Posted 05 August 2017 - 09:20 AM

I can say that I know that I've been brainwashed and formulated from the society around me........I can say that my responses to such things are conditioned................I can also say that, today, I would not kill a person for tearing the flag down but I would definitely ask for an explanation................

 

Today I doubt the existence of "right" and "wrong"........I question everything...........still I will pick the Stars and Bars up off the ground when I see it thrown there. Especially when I find them deliberately laying underneath a soldiers memorial sign.......obviously done on purpose in disrespect (yes that's my own opinion of it).........FOR CERTAIN I can assure you that if you spit in my face I will kick your ass................regardless of some right or wrong.................  :biggrin:

 

I didn't say I was correct, I didn't say I know anything at all, but I think I know this.................without freedom, without actual liberty, NOT that we know these things yet, there is no hope of anything getting any better...........just IMHO............

 

Tyranny fucking blows..............I've been there and seen it, smelled it, and I'm glad I have what I have now.............you're fucking right recruiters lie, and so do all of your politicians and corporate assholes as well....then again so does everyone else in this paradoxical twisted Disneyland we call consensus reality.............

 

What makes America great....in my own views of it.........is my interpretation of the essence of it..............Personally today...I am an anarchist........I don't want to be ruled by anything other than the perceptive "laws" of physics in this "three dimensional" aquarium we are swimming around in.............I wish everyone else shared that................

 

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Posted 05 August 2017 - 09:31 AM

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I suppose anarchists are free to engage in nationalism, or anything else.   They would not be free to organize around it, one would think, and still be considered an anarchist.   Self rule, anarchy, would be a much safer application of government than any form subscribed to by any organization or gang.  But, the chain yankers among us will always realize a personal advantage and make their personal psychopathy pay off by way of us accepting the other end of their chains.


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Posted 05 August 2017 - 09:47 AM

Dang it, Arathu, I have to get outside and hit my projects.  Got some Topiates coming today to lend a hand and I have to be ready.


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Posted 05 August 2017 - 09:54 AM

I will never be compelled by any organization again.......the very entity (I use that term lightly as I seriously doubt any continuity is actual) to which I was loyal KILLED a large number of my own comrades, some of which I considered friends, along with some untold numbers of "the enemy".......... Indeed I still suffer....I'm scarred...probably have PTSD (could also be hemorrhoids or both), my ears ring all the time from shit blowing up (and rock concerts), my back hurts, my feet stink, and I don't love Jesus...........or any other religious characters.................. :tongue:    

 

There's no enemy! There's no "other side"! There's no right and no left.............we don't even know if the color RED  or BLUE means the same thing to each other.........let alone what freedom is............

 

But if you come to the place I currently call home and start harming the people I love and the place I've built with my own labor then my response will not be a friendly one................

 

Conversely if you come here and be cool, friendly, and loving I assure you the response from me will be the same in return........... :hug:

 

The best thing I've seen to date is the Non-Aggression Principal....................

 

I know that I don't know and the only place I've actually experientially found peace is in silent meditation in nature......alone............even then the skeeters are dickheads............hahahahahahaha

 

My days of rallying to some war drums are way gone...............WAY GONE.................

 

NAP https://en.wikipedia...ssion_principle

 

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Posted 05 August 2017 - 11:00 AM

https://en.wikipedia...E2.80.931863.29

 

I suppose anarchists are free to engage in nationalism, or anything else.   They would not be free to organize around it, one would think, and still be considered an anarchist.   Self rule, anarchy, would be a much safer application of government than any form subscribed to by any organization or gang.  But, the chain yankers among us will always realize a personal advantage and make their personal psychopathy pay off by way of us accepting the other end of their chains.

 

Never forget that a leash is a rope with a noose at BOTH ends.


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