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[Mrs.Hippie3]

I haven't read it cover to cover yet only skimmed the first few chapters. It's an old book and falling apart

[Wimzers]

Here's an interesting little mash-up for those who don't like to reach beyond the nuts-and-bolts side of the question:

 

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So when Blumenthal says 'They know we know what they are doing, but the American people don't'. That seems like enough information to gather a few hundred people and go to that dudes house and ask whats up. I mean if that is true, they know, then makes no sense for the American people not to know. I don't even understand why we shouldn't know? I also don't know why I find this so compelling. Seems kind irrelevant. What he says really blows me away.

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

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I found this picture when I was waiting for a 6 gram dose to kick in. At one point I started to wonder, if I kept thinking about these aliens, maybe they might try to abduct me. The fear seemed very real in the moment. Tripped me the fuck out.

 

On another note a guy wonders about when all these alien sightings started to become more common place. Would it happen to coincide with man's invention of nuclear weapons, perhaps there is a way to detect the explosions thousands of light years away, sort of like earth turning on its lights at night so they can find their way here. Perhaps they become more interested when they realized we have the ability to wipe ourselves out and maybe they are here to caution or monitor our use of technology

 

 

For anyone who finds themselves skeptical of Aliens I thought this was a good introduction, you know If you have three hours to kill, I usually listen at work

 

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Yes sir, that one, I will take the sombrero sized tinfoil hat please....

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[rockyfungus]

I'm a believer, the only thing that makes it difficult. The universe is a huge place. The odds are pretty shitty that two civilizations that made it past the nuclear age without killing themselves are able to coexist in the same time and space.

If they don't exist in relatively the same time and place how can you make contact with each other. If space is the only concern, then maybe one has advanced to FTL tech. Still the universe is huge and maybe by the time they come to check out Humanity, we already fucked ourselves to oblivion.

Gonna listen to bro rogan as I clean all my glassware today.

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

The caveat to that being our imagination is limited by our understanding of the universe, add something like the fourth dimension and everything changes. Heck they could be us from the future, or just popped over from another dimension for all we know.

 

I think I like the idea that greys are basically drones for alien exploration, or avatars if you will. It makes sense when you look at our space exploration technology of mars rovers and satellites shooting across the solar system. I mean think of how we would be perceived as aliens showing up in our big bulky space suits

[rockyfungus]

I always leave out alternate dimensions, or a different cellular composition then our technology can detect.

Cool idea with the avatars, or even showing themselves in a form that is easier for us to comprehend.

[ElPirana]

On another note a guy wonders about when all these alien sightings started to become more common place. Would it happen to coincide with man's invention of nuclear weapons, perhaps there is a way to detect the explosions thousands of light years away, sort of like earth turning on its lights at night so they can find their way here. Perhaps they become more interested when they realized we have the ability to wipe ourselves out and maybe they are here to caution or monitor our use of technology

I’m of the opinion that it’s more of a function of our planet’s population and our increased communication abilities. Through most of human history, maybe there just was not enough people to get those glimpses of UFOs, and those few people who did may not have had the ability to communicate it to the rest of the world effectively as we can now.

Edited by ElPirana, 10 December 2020 - 12:18 PM.

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

 

On another note a guy wonders about when all these alien sightings started to become more common place. Would it happen to coincide with man's invention of nuclear weapons, perhaps there is a way to detect the explosions thousands of light years away, sort of like earth turning on its lights at night so they can find their way here. Perhaps they become more interested when they realized we have the ability to wipe ourselves out and maybe they are here to caution or monitor our use of technology

I’m of the opinion that it’s more of a function of our planet’s population and our increased communication abilities. Through most of human history, maybe there just was not enough people to get those glimpses of UFOs, and those few people who did may not have had the ability to communicate it to the rest of the world effectively as we can now.
 

 

Ya I suppose my idea is more of a fun thought than one based in science. It could just as easily be the radio signals we started sending out in same century, on a cosmic time scale that tiny time difference is almost non existent. There are a many directions to take when theorizing I suppose, one thing to consider is the evolution of the alien technology as well. Just like space X has made space flight more efficient for us, could advancement in alien technologies afford more visits to earth as time goes on
 

 

I would have to agree, our ability to record and measure increase with our population size every year. They could just as easily have been visiting for thousands of years the only difference is now we are taking more notice. Likely anyone visiting this thread has watched an episode or two of ancient aliens haha

Edited by FLASHINGROOSTER, 10 December 2020 - 01:38 PM.

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

I watched that Netflix documentary about Bob Lazar last night, it may be a little pretentious with the Mickey Rourke voice over parts but it was still a good glimpse into where Bob fits into all this.

 

I came out after watching that thinking its one of two thing's, either Bob is a master of deceit and somehow managed to fool everyone in his life from discovering him to be a dishonest person, or there are fucking alien spaceships hidden out in the Nevada Desert

 

Granted I am basing this off of my personal experiences with people that do make up outrageous lies for whatever sociological reasons. Usually people who would make up that big of a lie tend to do it in all aspects of their life. I had a guy I grew up with and we always knew he told some tall tales, and often acted strange when confronted about such. Anyway years after high school another one of my friends happened to be on the same construction site with a crew that worked with the liar. They started asking about his football career in the us? (which never happened btw) and a bunch of other bs, he said it was unbelievable the picture of his life he had painted for these coworkers. We always knew he was a fibber but it was shocking to find out someone you knew could be so full of shit when nobody was around to correct the story.

 

The only other person I knew who I would call a compulsive lair, well you only had to talk to him for longer than ten minutes and you knew he was full of shit. What was embarrassing was my one friends that worked with this fraud really had no clue, he believed damn near every story he told. Stuff like he knew the guy that killed bin laden, he was in the US military and when he got out he spent a month in a hotel doing hookers and blow. Showing us cockpit flight videos and trying to pretend he was the one flying. All it took was asking a few simple questions and the stories started to unravel. Strange that he didn't know the answer to fairly basic questions like what the standard issue service rifle was. To nobodies surprise the mans house of cards eventually collapsed and he literally disappeared after his horseshit was exposed. 

 

Does this prove Bob Lazar is telling the truth, well heck no, but it does make me want to believe him, he seems credible to me

Edited by FLASHINGROOSTER, 11 December 2020 - 06:40 PM.

[TVCasualty]

In my estimation, Bob is a self-serving Narcissist and is completely full of shit.

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

Your response has me interested in digging some more on it

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

I watched a few more videos about Lazar and checked out a debunking website. I am going to have to file this one as undecided. The biggest thing holding me back is how unlikely it all is. The debunking website did address many of Bob's claims and their counter evidence was convincing but not enough to make anything really concrete either (The chemistry bit was over my head). There are definitely some holes in his past that could only be explained by someone actively trying to erase it, or Bob is just a straight up liar.

here is the debunk page

http://boblazardebunked.com/

I have avoided going down the alien rabbit hole for a long time so it is a little exciting to just play around with it. Like the experts say ninety five percent of all the claims are bs but what about that other fiver percent that remain unexplained?

Edited by FLASHINGROOSTER, 14 December 2020 - 01:56 PM.

[TVCasualty]

This does a decent job of WEAPONIZING YOUR CURIOSITY!

 

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[TVCasualty]

I ended up watching most of that video again since it had been a while since I saw it and I'd forgotten how entertaining it is all by itself (it's pretty funny).

 

But then it reminded me that Lazar is the guy who founded United Nuclear.

 

For anyone unfamiliar, it's a site selling a fascinating array of gray-area, probably-legal-but-I-can't-see-how kind of stuff. Turns out that not all of it was legal after all. When I stumbled across it years ago I immediately thought that it looked too good to be true (a honeypot, in other words). And to be clear, I mean that the offerings looked to good to be true. The actual site design is utter crap (it's still up!) and doesn't look like it's been updated since 1998.

Edited by TVCasualty, 15 December 2020 - 11:48 AM.

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

hahaha I was literally thinking this morning that I don't like the fact that JEREMY KENYON LOCKYER CORBELL a guy with four names is one of the believers. The dude is a legit tool and listening to him takes much of the credibility away, that's where the pretentious part of the documentary comes from that I was talking about. He gets blasted in the comment sections quite often, George Knapp seems to have more credibility in the situation

 

The Rogan interview with Lazar was more straight to the point without as much Cobrell. Mostly the same content though just a few more intricacies to it all

 

Seems like the most likely explanation is that Bob did work out in the groom lake area, just not on ufo's at a secret underground military base located southwest of area 51. One theory explained the lights that him and his friends filmed above the the supposed hangar location were actually the discharges from the particle accelerator. The idea was that since Bob worked there in some capacity he knew when the discharges were going to occur and so planned it as a trick to convince the people around him that he wasn't crazy.

 

There are some convenient logic traps as well, like the idea that he has proof to back up his claims, but in revealing such evidence would land him in either a pine box or a prison cell. So the piece of element 115 was buried out in the desert or some other secret location. An action like that certainly lends credence to the narcissist theory, its his way of holding the trump card on the narrative

 

The most fascinating parts of stories are often the people, trying to see if I can detect bullshit, but I know that the reality is even your best friends can fool you sometimes if they really want to. You think you know someone but everyone has little closets and closed doors in their mind. Who the hell knows what's really in Lazar's head

 

If S4 is a lie, it's so outrageous at this point for Bob he has to stick with, deny it till you die 

 

George Knapp said he is going to dig up the element 115 when Bob passes away, which made me pause, looking at those two one would guess George would kick the bucket sooner

 

 

 

On another note about all this conspiracy business I wonder. How much of it is people just trying to cover up their own mistakes and trying to avoid persecution. Like pretty much every human adult tries to do if they think they can get away with it. So is it that "truth" about human beings that is often mistaken for direct clandescent actions meant to subvert the truth and hide a shadowy conspiracy

Edited by FLASHINGROOSTER, 15 December 2020 - 06:06 PM.