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Posted 12 March 2017 - 03:02 AM

Looking good! That's one way to use a cd nowadays. Lol :thumbs_up:

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Pardon, but are you THE fahtster thanked and photo credited by RR in his "Let's Grow Mushrooms" vid?

If'n so, I'm honored you've stopped by.

 

I can't take credit for the CD thing at all as I cribbed it (I think) from catattack's thread Home Mycology Hacks and Tips, let's share or

SteampunkScientist 's thread Useful Things thread.

Great idea....wish it would have been mine. ;)


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Posted 12 March 2017 - 10:47 AM

Yes, Fahster is a humble person.  You would never know he is such a legend in the OMC.

 

But that's why we love him, along with all the great ideas, myco porn, and bad jokes, lol.


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Posted 12 March 2017 - 12:11 PM

when astronauts fart in space, do they asselorate? :).

There are so many better growers out there that it makes me feel weird when ppl get excited about me. Right place, right time I guess. But thanks for the good vibes.
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Posted 12 March 2017 - 02:29 PM

when astronauts fart in space, do they asselorate? :).

There are so many better growers out there that it makes me feel weird when ppl get excited about me. Right place, right time I guess. But thanks for the good vibes.
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Is that what they mean when they talk about rocket ass-ist? :P

​Faht, even if due to right place/time, it doesn't discount the work and care that pic demonstrates (which I hope to emulate someday).

You're doing something right. ;)

​Now my incredibly small effort at myco-porn as this is the part I love about mycology that makes all the waiting to get this point worth it.

​A mere 24 hr.-ish since that last pic the lovely ladies have grown and are casting aside their veils to weep dark tears (which causes me to hack the ladies up and try to catch the tears w/ aluminium <sic> buckets). :tinfoil:

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​Now for a stem salad test sample. :biggrin:


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Posted 13 March 2017 - 11:13 PM

The attrition of yesterday's bounty and the promise of a new one:

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​Should I be excited about this or ready to get out the tweezers to 'bort hunt?

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 01:13 AM

Maybe try bottom watering that one (place cake in a shallow saucer with water that you change daily).. doesn't seem to be many if any pins on the bottom of the cake--so it's a pretty good candidate for that method... if you give it enough water, it'll put out as many of those fruits as it can. As opposed to aborting them because the cake simply can't sustain a pin set like that with the water supply it can physically hold, so giving it a secondary water supply during that period where it needs to supply water to all those pins, helps. IMO, of course.

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 01:26 AM

These aren't my pics (comebackkid's), but this cake was bottom watered:

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He just used tin foil that he shaped into lil saucers.

Giving them water when they really need it (timing) is what will get almost all those pins to fruit to maturity. That's why it works well right around the time your cake is looking like there.. too much water earlier than that can stunt pins by waterlogging the cake. And if you think the cake is heavy enough or that it isn't soaking up anymore water, you just empty the saucer.

I got the same effect with my cakes by using an usually thick top verm layer that I watered slowly over time (actually did that instead of dunking because I liked the idea of air being involved during the post birth hydration), but with what you have going on with that cake where the pinning is happening on top, you wouldn't want to water that layer; that's where bottom watering comes in.

Lookin' good, btw! :thumbs_up2:

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 07:54 AM

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Giving them water when they really need it (timing) is what will get almost all those pins to fruit to maturity. That's why it works well right around the time your cake is looking like there.. too much water earlier than that can stunt pins by waterlogging the cake. And if you think the cake is heavy enough or that it isn't soaking up anymore water, you just empty the saucer.

I got the same effect with my cakes by using an usually thick top verm layer that I watered slowly over time (actually did that instead of dunking because I liked the idea of air being involved during the post birth hydration), but with what you have going on with that cake where the pinning is happening on top, you wouldn't want to water that layer; that's where bottom watering comes in.

Lookin' good, btw! :thumbs_up2:

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Many thanks Faht! :victorious:

 

I may be doing exactly what you recommend both here and w/ the 2 cakes I misdiagnosed as trich'd and isolated into plastic togo container FC's.

 

Perhaps I should explain the FC you see in the pics.

 

It's a SGFC but w/ no breather holes up top.

I'd read about using an aquarium pump to keep up humidity up while always furnishing constant fresh air and thought it the best design to keep things moist and breathing should life keep me from 4-5X's a day mist/fanning.

It has 2 X 12" airstones under the perlite that are on 24/7 fed by a Fusion 400 (up to 40 gallons and 4 devices ~4CFM).

The water level is up to about 1/2" from the top of the perlite (and less as time goes on w/ misting).

 

I don't have the best luck w/ verm sticking to the cake sides during visits to Duncan Rohl so I make sure I sandwich top/bottom w/ a THICK verm layer (@ least 1/2"+) when I go to set them on the CDs.

 

The reason I liked the CD idea so much is the hole in the center of them. My thinking (and it may be totally wrong) is that it allows the thick bottom verm layer to wick moisture from the perlite while still letting air exchange happen and any standing water to drain and not waterlog the cake.

 

 

The aquarium pump addition was for constant FAE coming from below and causing constant humid air turbulence so CO2 can't blanket the cakes and stall them out. There are no breather holes in the tote as I hope I'm pumping enough air in that it just bleeds out of the loose fitting lid up top.

I still mist and fan @ least 3X's a day, but should something come up I'm not as worried about cakes suffering for it.

 

The Isolation togos are the type w/ a center rises about 1/16" above the outer ring that keeps the cake from sitting in standing water w/ verm making a nice wick from the outside ring to under the cake.

I pour 2-3cc of water into the top verm layer every other day to keep it hydrated and fan 2X a day.

The 1/2pt. isolate has thrown off ~5 boomers but the 1/4pt. is just sitting there (although I've started to gather the extra verm around the cake base and "bank" it in hopes of fruiting.

 

I'm going to give them a few more days to see how they do. If they don't, I have more cakes I 'nocced 3 days ago that should be able to replace any that stall out (which will go to the compost pile and probably fruit there. They did last time.

 

Time will tell whether the CD thing wicks enough or if I should follow your fine advice.

Thanks for chiming in and I will do as you say next run should things "go south".

 

It seems some cakes are really aggressive and have colonized the outer verm layer to form "air conks". I think this is a strain dependent thing (I'm guessing these are the SA's since it's my first run of them and the previous run didn't display this type of behavior).

None of these cakes have fruited yet and I'm anxious to see what pops up. ;)

 

Thanks again Faht!


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Posted 14 March 2017 - 12:36 PM

Just some thoughts.

Of the spore syringes I have used I drew back so a bubble is there and just shook as much as possible to break things up. Four days now and no growth. I saw somewhere where the water was as dark as coffee so I am wondering. I never had too
long a wait if I was using spore prints- my favorite method by the way.

I don't think drawing in an air bubble into a clean syringe is a great idea, unless it's known--clean air... and then shaking it around is even worse if it's ambient room air. Just a heads up... that can ruin a whole syringe.

Here's something to get you thinking about breaking up clumps via an ultra sonic humidifier.. https://mycotopia.ne...sion/?p=160902. Obviously, that can be a lil much, but just food for thought. I've also had thoughts on putting some PEG (or just PG propylene glycol--you can get it at just about any vape shop. There's also this stuff called ejmix that I use to make my wax into an ejuice that might work... it has very small meolecular weights so it won't make the oil settle out for a long time.) in the spore water to act as a anti-clumping agent... haven't tried it because I don't/didn't use spore prints and I didn't know about PG back in the day. But it makes me curious.. it's inert and probably wouldn't need more than a few drops.






Giving them water when they really need it (timing) is what will get almost all those pins to fruit to maturity. That's why it works well right around the time your cake is looking like there.. too much water earlier than that can stunt pins by waterlogging the cake. And if you think the cake is heavy enough or that it isn't soaking up anymore water, you just empty the saucer.
I got the same effect with my cakes by using an usually thick top verm layer that I watered slowly over time (actually did that instead of dunking because I liked the idea of air being involved during the post birth hydration), but with what you have going on with that cake where the pinning is happening on top, you wouldn't want to water that layer; that's where bottom watering comes in.
Lookin' good, btw! :thumbs_up2:
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Many thanks Faht! :victorious:

I may be doing exactly what you recommend both here and w/ the 2 cakes I misdiagnosed as trich'd and isolated into plastic togo container FC's.

Perhaps I should explain the FC you see in the pics.

It's a SGFC but w/ no breather holes up top.
I'd read about using an aquarium pump to keep up humidity up while always furnishing constant fresh air and thought it the best design to keep things moist and breathing should life keep me from 4-5X's a day mist/fanning.
It has 2 X 12" airstones under the perlite that are on 24/7 fed by a Fusion 400 (up to 40 gallons and 4 devices ~4CFM).
The water level is up to about 1/2" from the top of the perlite (and less as time goes on w/ misting).

I don't have the best luck w/ verm sticking to the cake sides during visits to Duncan Rohl so I make sure I sandwich top/bottom w/ a THICK verm layer (@ least 1/2"+) when I go to set them on the CDs.

The reason I liked the CD idea so much is the hole in the center of them. My thinking (and it may be totally wrong) is that it allows the thick bottom verm layer to wick moisture from the perlite while still letting air exchange happen and any standing water to drain and not waterlog the cake.


The aquarium pump addition was for constant FAE coming from below and causing constant humid air turbulence so CO2 can't blanket the cakes and stall them out. There are no breather holes in the tote as I hope I'm pumping enough air in that it just bleeds out of the loose fitting lid up top.
I still mist and fan @ least 3X's a day, but should something come up I'm not as worried about cakes suffering for it.

The Isolation togos are the type w/ a center rises about 1/16" above the outer ring that keeps the cake from sitting in standing water w/ verm making a nice wick from the outside ring to under the cake.
I pour 2-3cc of water into the top verm layer every other day to keep it hydrated and fan 2X a day.
The 1/2pt. isolate has thrown off ~5 boomers but the 1/4pt. is just sitting there (although I've started to gather the extra verm around the cake base and "bank" it in hopes of fruiting.

I'm going to give them a few more days to see how they do. If they don't, I have more cakes I 'nocced 3 days ago that should be able to replace any that stall out (which will go to the compost pile and probably fruit there. They did last time.

Time will tell whether the CD thing wicks enough or if I should follow your fine advice.
Thanks for chiming in and I will do as you say next run should things "go south".

It seems some cakes are really aggressive and have colonized the outer verm layer to form "air conks". I think this is a strain dependent thing (I'm guessing these are the SA's since it's my first run of them and the previous run didn't display this type of behavior).
None of these cakes have fruited yet and I'm anxious to see what pops up. ;)

Thanks again Faht!
Cool.. although standing water can be a contamination factor and if it's up to a 1/2 inch from the top, the perlite isn't really doing its job of evaporation if most of it is under water. I like the idea of wicking water through the cd hole except that if it's wicking bacteria ridden water, it's doing more harm than good and you lose all control of how much water is being wicked. That's why I like the saucer and dec'ing because it gives you more control. Especially if you dunked prior to first flush... wicking water from the perlite when the cake is already fully hydrated can waterlog a cake pretty quickly.

I also used an inner resevoir with my cakes that helped wick water very easily throughout the cake (got the idea from PF's website back in the day.). It's very simple to do, too.. when you're making the cake, you simply push a regular sized sharpie down the center of the cake all the way to bottom of the jar--I did this right before leveling the top (or bottom depending on how you look at it) of the cake and cleaning that inside 3/4-1" rim of the jar. Then wiggle the sharpie around until you get about a nickle-sized empty column down the center of the cake. Then fill and pack the column with dry verm as you apply the dry verm barrier like you normally would and PC.

This acts like a wicking system that allows water travel throughout the cake much easier.

Cloudy water is thriving bacteria, not dead bacteria... just wanted to address that.

You're doing great and not trying to discourage ya in any way... just some food for thought on why some things may be bad or good... but hey, if it's working for you, don't change it... won't make me mad none.., but if those problems do arise, you at least may know why, better.

"If ya didn't know, now ya know..... shoomer" hahaha.

I'm not gonna thread jack, so I'll just put links here you can check out in case that pic on RR's vids is the only one you saw... that tub, while really neat lookin', actually did very poorly in weight.. here are some better tubs:

https://mycotopia.ne...38185040084.jpg
https://mycotopia.ne...38185357578.jpg
https://mycotopia.ne...38184888207.jpg
https://mycotopia.ne...38185113411.jpg
https://mycotopia.ne...38185123495.jpg

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 01:05 AM

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You're doing great and not trying to discourage ya in any way... just some food for thought on why some things may be bad or good... but hey, if it's working for you, don't change it... won't make me mad none.., but if those problems do arise, you at least may know why, better.

"If ya didn't know, now ya know..... shoomer" hahaha.

I'm not gonna thread jack, so I'll just put links here you can check out in case that pic on RR's vids is the only one you saw... that tub, while really neat lookin', actually did very poorly in weight.. here are some better tubs:

https://mycotopia.ne...38185040084.jpg
https://mycotopia.ne...38185357578.jpg
https://mycotopia.ne...38184888207.jpg
https://mycotopia.ne...38185113411.jpg
https://mycotopia.ne...38185123495.jpg

Faht

 
 
As to thread jacking, have @ anytime you want if it's going to mean more eye candy like that!
 
I can only offer such pale comparison as todays photo update:
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Seems like the one highlighted yesterday might produce a very nice flush and one near it is developing the Beeker style hairdo too.

 

YTD @ 9g+ dry


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Posted 15 March 2017 - 01:55 AM

Yours looks great. Mine were stacked so it's kinda like cheating. ;). Keep the updates comin'

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 03:20 AM

Really nice cakes, Shoomer.

 

Faht, there might be some better growers out there (questionable), but nobody ever did more with cakes than you, man.  And you always explain things in a way that is never condescending and always playful.  That's a big part of the reason you are so revered.  You're a great cultivator and a damn nice person.

 

We are just glad to have you back around.  It means a whole lot to me and some others who have been turning folks onto your write-ups for years.

 

Anyway, I know the praise can be embarrassing, so I will stop there.

 

And that is a really bad joke, lol!


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Posted 15 March 2017 - 03:30 AM

I've written so many bad jokes.. here's a really bad one.. what would Steve Jobs' favorite condiment have been if he had been a Shepard? imustard

Lol. I effing love that joke. Gets me every time and it's my joke. Lol

Or did you hear about Billy Mays' illegitimate child? Yeah they found out after he died that he had a son.... but the kid was born.. ya know.. a lil slow. But it was something the doctors had never seen before... so they classified him as an oxymoron.

Too soon?

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 08:46 AM

Really nice cakes, Shoomer.

 

Faht, there might be some better growers out there (questionable), but nobody ever did more with cakes than you, man.  And you always explain things in a way that is never condescending and always playful.  That's a big part of the reason you are so revered.  You're a great cultivator and a damn nice person.

 

We are just glad to have you back around.  It means a whole lot to me and some others who have been turning folks onto your write-ups for years.

 

Anyway, I know the praise can be embarrassing, so I will stop there.

 

And that is a really bad joke, lol!

 

From my experience, A-friggin-men!

 

Went to like and have hit my limit, but expect clicky goodness soon.


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Posted 15 March 2017 - 09:16 PM

It's that time of day, when you can say......

 

"Hey! The picture spamming jackass is back showing off his poor excuse of a grow!" :wink:

​But you asked for it and me, being the proud nurturer of them and having no pride (How does that work?), I'll be happy to bother you with new "wallet pics of the kids".

​Here's the entire family (again):

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​and here's a different view of the ones "out standing in a field":

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​My examples may not all mature as well and consistently as those of the Fahtster, but it's workin' for me!

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 03:37 AM

What are you talking about, man?  That's friggin' beautiful!


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Posted 16 March 2017 - 10:43 AM

Of the spore syringes I have used I drew back so a bubble is there and just shook as much as possible to break things up. Four days now and no growth. I saw somewhere where the water was as dark as coffee so I am wondering. I never had too
long a wait if I was using spore prints- my favorite method by the way.



Pulling air back into a syringe is unwise IMHO.
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 11:30 AM

Pulling air back into a syringe is unwise IMHO.


Yessir (or miss, if I assume incorrectly).
Even if the needle is red while sucking air it's still no guarantee of cleanliness.

I don't have an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner so it looks like I'm going to have to tape the syringe to the sub-woofer and "rock out" for a bit for clump busting.

 

Here's the latest update (sorry about yest. lapse, but I had a cluster [headache] of a day and that makes me focus only on absolutely necessary things and not the fun ones):

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This is the only one I think can ride the coattails of the (in)famous "Faht Stack". :wink:


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 01:00 PM

Cakes are looking good! :)

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 12:54 AM

I think I ghetto-tek'd an answer to my clumping issue.

 

My only sub is a computer speaker and just doesn't have the uummph, but that reminds me, I need to do laundry.

 

I can't think of a better way for a home owner to get a good constant vibration than to do laundry, so syringes go into bags in groups and get duct taped to both the washer and dryer lids for a full laundry run.

 

I see no more clumps and will test shortly as the last LC run had both PESH and PESA syringes failing, they'll be tested this time to see there is any effect).

 

I'm going to give another one of the untested syringes a go too.

 

I've got:

 

1,) Ecuadorian

2.) Golden Teacher

3.) F+

4.) Texas Yellow Cap

5.) Treasure Coast

 

(I also found some pink oyster myc on dried grain (from eBay, so a toss up) I'm going to do a little searching on how to 'noc and probably ask questions about. But that's a different thread in a different forum). :wink:

 

Any recommendations?


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