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#21 Spooner

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 10:49 AM

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...just let down. I waited in line for my seat on the merry-go-round for a chance to tag the ring. I see that they're getting ready to close the ride just as I'm nearing the front of the line. 

Oh well, (fires one up), shit happens.  :smoking-hookah:

 

Adapt or die,  adapt and die,  either way enjoy the trip... :biggrin:



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Posted 06 April 2017 - 03:05 PM

Pharmer, I share/shared (alternating depending upon my mood) your observations.

 

It's just that I don't feel qualified to do any killing. Nor do I want to be responsible for deciding who has to die. 

 

I honestly and sincerely believe that this (reality) is a training construct. No matter how many 10's of thousand of of eons occur, the basic program will remain the same. I think that what we choose to pursue in this life determines whether we come back for another try or if we advance to the "next level".  I haven't the faintest clue what the next level will be but I don't personally hold out any hope that things will improve here in my lifetime (or anyone else's for that matter). 

 

I was coming of the age to where I should be on the cusp of retirement. It was the American Dream. Now, I'm looking down the barrel of never being able to afford to retire. If they keep fucking with the system, I may lose what precious little I have. I'm not sad or blubbering in my tea (anymore).......just let down. I waited in line for my seat on the merry-go-round for a chance to tag the ring. I see that they're getting ready to close the ride just as I'm nearing the front of the line. 

Oh well, (fires one up), shit happens.  :smoking-hookah:

I'm on my way there, just as you describe, with little of "their" token wealth............and it's a gift from the Earth that I place little value in their system in total. One of the deepest meanings I've ever seen in the first rune of the Elder Futhark is VALUE. Most folks like to interpret Fee as mobile wealth, money, cattle, and etc. etc...............I see it as VALUES. Those mundane things are tokens for our individual and collective agreement of what constitutes wealth...........My personal plan is far different from the widely accepted and heralded 401K and ESOP messiahs. It drives the powers that be absolutely batty that I am not moved by their great accolades and contributions to my well being aside from the urge to defecate. So what...fuck those dickheads!

 

My work now is specifically to pay off everything while continuing to participate in their little game of indentured servitude (and I'm damned close actually with only a small private debt to a very good brother of mine) I place no meaningful value in their money, in their system, in their lies, their fear mongering, their self righteousness, their STORIES AND GREAT FICTION......My next moves are intended to turn my little piece of ground into a self sustaining plot that not only works for me but also set an example for others that are going to be forced to follow..........Myc you are not alone. In fact I'm certain this is all going to come crashing down in just that manner. Even the ones that have walked away with their "riches" don't seem to understand the precarious nature of their teetering on the edge of the precipice. I fear the smell of the air, the stench of death, will soon drive the point home literally.

 

NEED is the great motivator or it is the great crippler..........we'll either get our shit together or we'll all die together (and these petty ego's and meat suits are going to die regardless) I certainly wonder if the Mycotopia TRIBE shouldn't begin to gather soon...................

 

Please don't mind my bizarre ramblings...you guys stirred up the noise..................I'm just a freak that talks to everything and eats mushrooms..............

 

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 05:30 PM

You haven't stirred me in the least.  Actually, you kinda cause me to tear-up. I thought I was alone (for the most part). Everyone likes so pay lip service but nobody steps up to the plate.

I know that Alder and Mooji and others say that we should just relax\. And I wish I could. I have my days. I Am the Divine (and so are you), but .........and there's always a "but".........I had to figure it out. Seems to me you've met them in your travels  in your own special way. The horror, the agony, the ecstacy, Our Father does not speak to Us in a clear, audible, readily understood voice. And He's not the character from the Bible. Likely, He's the guy who stares back at you in the mirror.

 

I want what you want. I do what you do. I think we see what we see.

I'm praying for rain

I'm praying for tidal waves.......... 

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See you down in Arizona Bay........Brother. 


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Posted 06 April 2017 - 05:53 PM

Looking down the barrel of never being able to afford to retire is making me explore the idea and very real possibility, dare I say necessity, of retirement TRIBES and communites.........What that actually is I do not yet know but I'll be damned if I'm laying down and dying before my Mother calls me home. I even envision the possibility of thriving and being quite happy in a much simplified manner. Some day we might just meet........all of us...........in loving necessity........

 

I always tear up when spirit is close and holding me............... :hug:

 

And I'm no longer ashamed of being a feeling spiritual man regardless of how many tattoo's I have or how loud my Harley is.............

 

I do indeed have great hope and I will not give up even after this body is done..........

 

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 07:24 PM

I went to YouTube and found a version with lyrics.   It made me think that someone really believes in their story very deeply to bring them to that. 

 

What has changed for me was just the simple seeing of my own story.  When I took a dear friend's advice to "stay as the witness," it happened.  I, the person I thought myself to be was having himself a life crisis, and I, the witness, could see it.  How and why this was possible, I know not, but that the person I watched, the me-ness, could not have conceived of such a possibility.  He, the me, was far too caught up in his story to possibly see any other perspective.   Yet, a wider and unanchored perspective was there, and I, as awareness beyond any personal stakes, turns out to actually exist.   That awareness has no personal identity, no story.  Its seeing is clear, and clearly, my story was total bullshit, and the bullshit was without even a moment to make its bullshit excuses to add to the story of me. 

 

It had no time to talk its way around being seen, because somehow the seeing was deeply known to have always been there.   No wiggle room for the personal bullshitter to squirm off the hook of the truth of its own made-up-ness.   The awareness was anchored in no body, no physical eye, for any entity to put forward as its exhibit 'A' to build its case for its seen through story being true.   It was a script, seeming to be.   The gig was up for that old me.  I had been the dick head.   I was sure, as dick heads go, mine was a great model for dick heads, but dick head, nonetheless.   I saw it was the identity I had built and taken wholeheartedly as me.   I saw it was the human condition to do just that.  No blame.   I guess we just come here to dive in and see if we drown in playing our fantastic roles, or we learn to swim in the illusions of it all.  Nothing is denied in the way of possible stories.  It's a Hell of a show.

 

I pray for many of us seeing the dream.   Then, what dreams may come...   I have, in a way, already shuffled off this mortal coil.   I am no longer finding my being as this body.  I now have a body.  It's gotten Lyme disease, but I haven't.   It got a sprained ankle (very likely while saving its own life {another possible story}) two weeks ago, but I didn't.  If it lands in Arizona Bay next week, I don't.  It will be interesting to see which prayer works.   But truly, the seeing is without so much interest.  The seeing quietly watches, only barely making itself known in the heart center as the most subtle presence.   I am that, as far as I can tell.


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Posted 06 April 2017 - 07:33 PM

In the daily life, I design pies for the sky, like has always been the habit.  I could get spooked by the monsters under the bed, or around the corner, but only if I want to play those games.   I must be aware and alert to the possibility of forgetting I am the seeing, that the stories are always on their own side, believing their own shit, begging me to return to identifying, giving them back their virtual lives.

 

I must be thankful for every instant of presence.  It is that precious.   The Truth of What Is is always here.   The fiction is the parasite.


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Posted 06 April 2017 - 10:42 PM

Back to the OP topic.......
(Not that I mind existential witness and/or growth at all, but I can't think of anything more incongruous where monetary discussion is at play.)

When I was a youngster, a quarter was a BIG deal.

You could get both a candy AND a bottle of soda for that quarter (my 1st foray into mind/mood altering substances i.e. sugar).

Today that same quarter (well, probably not that EXACT same quarter, as I'm betting a bulk of the coinage I used back then was pre-'64 w/ silver content) will not satisfy 1/4 of the cost of either, whereas the EXACT pre-'64 quarter I had back then can buy a case of soda and quite a few candy bars today.

Where did all that value go? Did raw materials and transport/manufacturing costs increase that much in 50 yr.?
<SPOILER ALERT: They did, but only for the same reason as the soda and candy bar cost increase.>

It's been said that US money has lost 97% of it's original value since the creation of the Federal Reserve and the think the rest of the world (or @ least the BRICS by eviscerating the dollar/oil hegemony lately) are waking up to the fact and ending the Brenton Woods reign of the greenback.
When the value of exchange articles like gold/silver (whose value has been proven through centuries) declines the same amount as money at the same time, THEN I will look to external factors for the loss of value instead of the debt structure of fiat currency.

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 11:37 PM

Why put money and reality into the same arena?   Even silver and gold, beyond a few practical applications, rely on fictions for much of their market values, and as I noted somewhere here recently, both are being gotten for today's market at extreme costs in environmental terms.   I guess it's the high cost of our societal bullshit stories.



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Posted 07 April 2017 - 12:18 AM

Why put money and reality into the same arena? 


Because he's/she's practical and dealing with the world in front of him/her?

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 03:01 AM

ll19z8rn4li1, pharmer, Spooner, Myc, shroomer, August, Alder, Arathu, TV, Mycotopia!

Auditing the Dragon as August mentioned, is moot. I believe the 16th is unconstitutional based off of the below posts and end effect on the taxed citizens of the united States of America the fiftieth.

With that said, here's another paradoxical twist that will blow your minds. For the congress to be able to create the 16th amendment and use it they have to;
(1. Utilize a voluntary system of taxation as was made known in the 80's or 90's when they removed the word "voluntary" from the 1040 instructions booklet. I touch on it with the SSN below.
(2. Rearrange the legal definitions of corporation and person to mean the same thing so they can sleep at night (cause it's not outright theft this way) and confuse the whole situation additionly more so with a simple 65,000 - 70,000 pages of tax code.
(3. The income tax as I learned how it was intended to be designed is primarily intended for 4 entities. I learned this from a book called "Income Tax : Shattering the Myths" Written by Dave Champion, Published by Dave Champion, promptly, the government placed an injunction on him to stop selling the book. Free Speach Right - For arguments sake he assumes the 16th is legit and shadey as all get out.
1. Foreign corporations doing business inside America getting American dollars.
2. Foreign people doing business inside America getting American dollars.
3. American corporations doing business outside of America getting Foreign dollars.
4. American people doing business outside of America getting Foreign dollars.

Remember the federal government is intended for foreign relations and as such because of the above items we are a thing the IRS calls a non-resident alien (for tax purposes only, I assure you), that puts us into a catagory of Foreign temporary taxpayor. Why would they do that you might ask...Because when we start a job, we illegally / voluntarily fill out the paperwork (W9) with our SSN that gives the IRS a free pass to request "an information only" 1040. When we sign the 1040, we certify the document and the unconstitutional taxation system of the 16th is overruled by our signature under penalty of perjury no less.

There it is in a nutshell. Let me know what y'all think?






I'd love a lawyers response to this argument!


I'm not licensed yet but I'll bite. First I need some clarification though.
First I am interested in your proposition that any amendment subsequent to the 10th must "pass through" the 10th. Any amendment that is passed effectively becomes part of the Constitution, and may modify it in any way. If the 10th prospectively limited further amendments, then there would be almost no further power to amend because the plain language of the 10th purports to "divvy up" all powers. It would be an absurd result.
The 10th states (my emphasis / paraphrasing in parenthesis)..."The powers not delegated" (written down in the constitution as we the people have authorized delegation thereof) "to the United States" (powers are given to the people whom formed the governance of the state's, uniting to form the USA governmental force) "by the Constitution," (the granting document controlling the powers not written down - future powers) "nor prohibited by it to the states,"(Read - nor prohibited by the constitution to the states - which is restrictive in nature and they are saying that congress can't acquire any power from that which is already prohibited) "are reserved to the States respectively,"(the future powers not written down yet belong to the State's equally when in reference to States) "or to the people."(when the state's have overstepped their bounds or authority, it is up to the people to correct the error and the burden of duty is equal among the people of the state's, respectfully.)
10th without my commentary
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
While it seems true to say that any amendment may modify any part of the constitution (otherwise what's the point in amendments), it's prudent to state the rules of creating an amendment are found in Article 5 of which the 10th didn't violate until the 16th amendment was born.
It would seem prudent to say that anything created from the constitution may not be in conflict with itself pursuant Article 6 (rules of validity) as well.
So right after congress drafted the rules for amendments (Article 5), they discussed and drafted which rules would apply as sovereign...the answer is the Constitution proper...Article 5 is older than the 10th Amendment and the 16th...It should have more clout and I agree that it is absurd...
The predicate post quoted in the below post is from the Thread "Who's in charge of the USA" and was used as a reference for the below post from the Thread "What Makes America Great? (answer found!)" The above post was my follow up post to the below post and I most certainly think that ALL of them belong right here as well! Coopdog, am I wrong? If I'm right (All glory to God) AND if the Word gets out, it can be a people's republic again, we just have to want it as I sought for the knowledge I post here.

You'll like the symmetry of my irony... My answer is 3 things.
1.
(US Constitution) Article 7 - Refers to a Lord and a Time with reference to The Lord.
Means to me that our Country's Foundational structure was inspired by none other than the Lord Jesus Christ or Yahshua as I've read that men have been compelled to iterate. 0000 - Must have been an exciting year!
2.
Article 4 Section 2 Clause 1 - The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens of the several states(paraphrased from memory).
Means anything legal anywhere is legal everywhere.
3.
This free speech in this post which took multiple days of normal life time to type that has taken a decade or more of on and off study in normal life free time situations was largely ignored (except for some "likes" - Thanks Guys!) in the thread "Who's in charge of the USA"
I'd love a lawyers response to this argument!



There's a few overlapping answers here, some you'll like and some maybe not.
Simple Answer : Money / Business is in charge in the USA. Business (by design) benefits from the status quo (tax scam) by remaining silent about its creators' sin. Each "credible" business is created by the Secretary of State of the same state in which it "resides". Kinda weird that the PR department of government is involved with business creation, remember that. We're all familiar that the definition of "person" has been stretched in law to also mean corporation, and congress has taken the liberty to stretch that meaning around your SS#. It's also weird that since the federales jurisdiction is primarily foreign relations that they use the term non-resident alien in their tax code and that the state's leach off of this system (as is evident in the state in which I reside) as the basis of their own taxation system. My state income tax states "as the federal 1040, line 5" or some such thing...
Spiritual Answer : God has always been in charge. Evil is allowed to exist with authority for it's time, personally I think to further define the Goodness that is God by allowing the antithesis of His thesis to exist. Definition by contrast - If there was only ever goodness since the beginning of creation, how would we even know the depths of Goodness without having witnessed the wickedness of evil? Is the best warning flare ever, not the Bowls of Wrath that are poured out where He still allows people to make their own eternal decision of Christendom - To be or not to be?
Legal Answer : A united People. Only a united People may be in charge of and in the care of the decisions that effect other people like You and I. Anything else will result in Disorganized Chaos (DC).
1776 - Our founders Created this country as and with documents of self defense and they limit the choices of governance and quite often specifically forbid things as can be read in The Declaration of Independence.
1777 - The first constitution known as The Articles of Confederation was adopted by the continental congress and later ratified by all 13 colonies in 1781. The Articles has one very grievous flaw - it couldn't fund itself, federally. Our founding fathers were so prejudiced against taxes that they created an entire system of government that couldn't even fund itself and after eight years in operation, DECIDED ON A NEW FORM OF GOVERNMENT & created the constitution with Article 5 and the 1808 timeline to fix the situation of equal taxation among the people. They gave themselves close to 20 years to think about and solve the problem of a juggernaut runaway all taxing government, and they did it in the first 12 amendments (before 1808)!
1789 - The current constitution is created, amending the previous form of government the Articles of Confederation, through the right of amending or abolishing a form of government from the Declaration of Independence. One of the forbidden items specifically mentioned in Article 5 (the rules of amendment creation) is that, provided that no amendment which shall be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight (1808) shall in any manner effect the first and fourth clauses of the ninth section of the first article(Article 1 Section 9, Clauses 1 & 4). Article 1 Section 9 Clause 4 (I'll refer to it as clause 4 or the 4th clause) has the direct opposite verbiage of the sixteenth amendment.
1791 - The Bill of Rights and first 10 amendments are created. The 10th amendment is the coup de gras for congress, past, present, and future because of WHEN it was ratified (prior 1808) AND because of it timeless verbiage of granting future powers not delegated/enumerated in the constitution. It's a sealed loop, since it was created before 1808 AND since everything not written down in the constitution at the time of the 10th's passing, must pass through the 10th which may not effect the 4th clause pursuant Article 5.
1795 - The 11th amendment is passed. It is a limiting judicial power amendment and as long as it isn't used to effect the 4th clause, is constitutional. If it is used and the 4th clause is in question, it would be an unconstitutional application of it.
1804 - The 12th amendment is passed, which is how presidents are elected still to this day and their executive power to enforce anything that effects the 4th clause is plainly unconstitutional because the amendment of how they are elected was created before 1808.
1808 - The first year an amendment may be created that may legally effect the 4th clause, except anything enumerated after the 10th means nothing if it effects the 4th clause. There are only 12 amendments that are ratified prior 1808, so we must only examine the first 12 to ensure that they do not effect the 4th clause.
1913 - Since we as a united People created an outsourced representation, it was only a matter of time until the abominable love of money found a way to represent we the good people of the united States of America the fiftieth. The love of money has seeded itself in the halls of congress from the beginning of 1913 with the 'cough', "passing" of the 16th Amendment to the Constitution, aka, the income tax amendment, unconstitutionally I will add with over emphasis. Later in the year around the celebrations of Christiandom, when family congressmen would have been long on their way home to be there in time for the religious holiday, the federal reserve was born.
1935 - Congress, still an awesome platform of power, added a new department to compliment it's authority of taxation , the SSA with rules, laws, (that it regularly reformats, to cover its tracks, I mean for clarity), to facilitate the fraud and robbery of property in the form of money. In the congressional head, they got the authority in 1913 to tax us at different tax brackets and every violation of the 4th clause you can think of and just needed the mechanism to cash-in on that "authority". Now-a-daze people quickly know how to hand over everybody's rights and their own SS# without even batting an eye. People that know the 104 year old truth have had to seek it out and unearth it with the light of reason. Why does the back of "my" social security card, clearly state, "This card belongs to the SSA and if we request it back you must return it."? They gave me something that isn't even mine to share with anyone under penalty of fine, imprisonment or both, yet all business's created under the Secretary of State require employment submission of the same number I'm technically not allowed to share, that the SSA kindly provided the tools of confusion.
2017 - In closing, Business allows the system of corruption, because: 1.) It makes money from it, 2.) They write the laws that congress passes without reading (I wonder why), 3.) The system has a color of law, (legality) 4.) Because most people's tax law knowledge comes from history lessons from mom and dad...that just paid the damn tax.
That's the truth as I've learned it...please correct me where you know I'm wrong!
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DANGER - Reading the above posts causes silence. Please break the silence with questions! Questions are more powerful than answers as not all questions have answers, yet all answers have questions.
If we're all equal before the law, then why are there different tax brackets?
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Posted 12 August 2017 - 04:20 AM

The concept of American Dollars is obsolete. they no longer exist, just Federal Reserve Notes which are debt instruments and do not represent any promised value in gold or silver.



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 11:27 AM

I agree with you that the Federal Reserve System is an obsoleted fiat system and the last time a president (Kennedy) took us off of it and started printing silver certificates, we lost a president. Less than a decade later, our president Nixon broke our Bretton Woods agreement with the world and took our dollar off of the gold standard. Nixon (a self avowed "I'm not a Crook" not bad guy) resigned for doing the same thing Obama did, in using the people's delegated power of his position as a political tool against the opposition party. The only difference is Nixon had "R" next to his name and Obama has "D" next to his. We've gone full circle...New boss, same as the old boss...

Let's take the root out...I'm not bluffing above...Because of when the 10th was ratified (1791) and because of the rules for amending the constitution, Article 5 states that no amendment (think 10th) made before 1808 shall in any manner effect the Article 1 Section 9, Clause 4 of which the 16th has the direct opposite verbiage of the 4th clause, AND lastly the 16th is unconstitutional because the 10th amendment is talking about future powers (11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th 17th, and so on) not delegated or written down in the constitution at the time of the 10th's ratification and ALL FUTURE POWERS because they weren't ratified before the 10th MUST PASS THROUGH THE 10th, to be compliant with the 10th amendment to the constitution!

With my close friends, it has taken a few times to get the argument to click with them in person. My argument is all black and white from the Constitution.

Income tax as we know it stems from the 16th amendment created the same year as the FED - 1913. End the 16th and the I believe the FED will follow the fall. All FED notes to be exchanged by congress for silver certificates from the Treasury Dept. Whatever silver and gold we have stockpiled, divvy it up in proportion to the debt notes printed and whatever the value is deficient of, we can mortgage Congress's pension fund since that institution has bad skin in the game, they can front the solution to this debacle.

End the IRS (their duties back to the Treasury Dept.)who has allowed Americans to be fleeced for 104 years and counting (I'm assuming that 99% of the IRS doesn't know the truth (just doing their jobs like the Nazi SS) except for the top tier).

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 11:51 AM

The only difference is Nixon had "R" next to his name and Obama has "D" next to his. We've gone full circle...New boss, same as the old boss...

 

Well actually, I can think of a few more differences LOL.

 

All FED notes to be exchanged by congress for silver certificates from the Treasury Dept. Whatever silver and gold we have stockpiled, divvy it up in proportion to the debt notes printed...

 

Wow, that is unrealistic but would certainly make my metals stockpile worth more than a dozen housess.  Sounds good to me.



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 02:01 PM

LOL - I'll give ya that one. Was just making the point that it's a mutual turn based system...The "R's" happen to have it now...Same ole' corruption party in DC. Obama - the Nobel peace prize winner of 2009, as a man of peace made the strangest treaties around the world on our behalf, and I wonder what will happen when a nation who've we've established a treaty with, is attacked? Will we go to war again, I mean stay at war again, I mean will congress constitutionally declare war, I mean...hmm we've been at war for so long, will we declare Peace in the wake of the Nobel prize winning president of (war &) peace?

The money proposition may be seriously flawed, however it spurs a serious conversation of a designed solution to get us out of this designed problem.

Only an informed united people can claim our fate. I am merely bringing information, and now it is up to the readers to decide what they do with it.

Luke 12:47-48. ...I think this scripture inspired this phrase... Much to he that is given, much is Expected.

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