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#81 fahtster


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Posted 21 August 2006 - 10:30 AM

well... it's tough to say if a cake off will prove anything. even the brand of brf changes the consistency of the mix. i've used a couple different brands and one brand doesn't allow for excessive water as in the 1/3 cup. so i think what i was mainly saying is that there is room for improvement based on your own situation. as stated by many many people. when i use more water in the mix, i don't add as much to the jars so there isn't the aeration factor that you stated hip.... more water = less air. i don't pack it down any more than any regular mix. that 20 ml of water will carry a cake a little bit further than a dry mix. I've had plenty of cakes stall out on too little water... granted most were almost done, but they still stalled out and a hydration method was used post birth. I also will have to still disagree about the dunk prior to first flush stalling pinning. I've seen it. it kills the knots and pins that are already on the cake. they may grow out, but they open their caps too early and most abort. my whole arguement was that it is a good practice to add more water to the formula IF you know how to. but i will concede that the "max" formula (still don't like to call it that, i think a few additional words would be nice "max fruit potential with added hydration methods" or something similar is a better name.) is good stepping stone. but it is, imo, lacking in the reguard that it will not, in most cases, max a cake out by itself... other hydration methods are required. :)


#82 Hippie3



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Posted 21 August 2006 - 01:13 PM

but in truth the old formula was good for about 3.5 dry grams
with no added water whatsoever, not even a DEC.

of course
we've come a long way since those days,
now cakes easily average twice as much
as we got before the DEC/Dunk teks were invented

also if folks are killing their primordia in the dunk
they are dunking too long in stagnant water,
dissolved oxygen in the water is crucial to
keeping tissue healthy, i change dunk water every 6 hours
and rarely dunk longer than 12.
short multiple dunks have always been part of my tek
but many ignore that advice to their detriment.

my primary objection herein was to the claim that
a few extra cc of water resulted in a reliable increase
in colonization speed.
i'm highly skeptical that claim
which is entirely separate to your points about
eventual yields.

#83 Cryingblackoil



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Posted 22 August 2006 - 07:25 AM

What about a fishtank bubbler in the dunk tank?

#84 Hippie3



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Posted 22 August 2006 - 09:06 AM

any extra oxygen in the dunk water would be helpful

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