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[fungi2bwith]

thought this was very interesting....looks like those triangular ufo's people see are actually us.....

 

https://www.google.c...569981762970673

 

https://www.google.c...TwcAKQQ6AEIWDAH

 

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Edited by fungi2bwith, 18 May 2017 - 12:52 PM.

[pharmer]

are inventors not obliged to explain the source of the power that will propel the craft? to propel itself across galaxies it's going to need to be able to generate or harness a whole bunch of lightweight energy. seems that explaining how it works should be as critical as explaining what the thing is and what it does.

[fungi2bwith]

@Pharmer, did you see the second link, which is a patent for the Rotating electrostatic propulsion system

[pharmer]

I saw it, and this may show how far I am out of my depth, but there needs to be a power Supply, right?

 

Unless the REPS is a perpetual motion machine or sucks energy out of Space it's limited by what energy it can carry or scrounge. But scrounging eats energy and is ultimately a cost, not a benefit. And carrying is even less efficient and tethers the machine to known supply locations or sources.

 

Unless we actually believe that the thing is going to generate a wormhole.......

 

Let's try it this way - is there a working model of this thing?

[fungi2bwith]

I've done a lil bit more research on this thing.....apparently it's nuclear powered, but I also heard something about mercury in there as well....which reminds me of the hindi texts talking about flying machines powered by mercury, or "liquid metal"

[Spooner]

OK, sign me up for one, in midnight blue if you have it, but any color will be fine.

 

 

Unless we actually believe that the thing is going to generate a wormhole.......

From the documents "...a combined spacetime curvature pressure is generated on the hull in the upward and forward direction to produce lift and propulsion respectively..."

Best I can imagine, multidimenaional space allows what we perceive as a flat plane, to do tricks as if it were curved.  

 

For example, walk due South for 1 mile, then due East for one mile, and finally due North for one mile.  You arrive exactly where you started.  Where are you?  Answer:North Pole. Three right angles can make a closed triangle, and parallel lines do in fact meet, so our concept of distance becomes inadequate to describe how we go from one place to another.

Hyperspace and wormholes are one way of describing these multidimensional effects.  I am not comfortable with STRING THEORY, or even QUANTUM THEORY, but have read enough and tripped enough to understand that our 5 senses are inadequate for complete understanding.

 

Would love spend time with Alder Logs so I could better understand his objections to gravitational theory, becauese I suspect that it would clarify why I can effectively manipulate electromagnetic equations to my advantage, without having any faith in the traditional explanations of what they are supposed to show.  I accept the raw data, but reject the current theories as inadequate,

[Juthro]

Or maybe they can be powered with something like this imposable motor....

http://www.nbcnews.c...planets-n761101

EDIT: I want mine to be fire engine red, please :)

Edited by Juthro, 19 May 2017 - 05:45 PM.

[Spooner]

What a great time for discovery and learning.

[GORF]

The mercury is supposedly used as an electric conductor to couple voltage from a very high speed rotating part to the stationary parts, the stator. Brushes are not reliable or even useable at extremely high RPM's. The description of the device is almost exactly the type of device claimed to have been built by the Nazis in WWII. It was called the Bell. Mercury was also required as parts of it rotated at extreme RPM's

These devices are not compatible in any way with currently known physical laws. I dare say my career in electronics, which I have been in for longer than I care to contemplate has hardened my Gee Whiz acceptance of such quackery.

But they do make for excellent late night, stoned TV viewing. :)

[jkdeth]

The thing about patents is they don't have to any science behind them.

[pharmer]

 I accept the raw data, but reject the current theories as inadequate,

 

That seems a very realistic approach to working these ideas. I'm humble enough to KNOW I don't know enough to have strong opinions about ideas like this but trust the needle on my BS Detector and keep a good grip on skepticism.

 

As someone above mentioned - very cool idea to ponder around the campfire.

[Defiance]

I think the filer is ill and we should probably be careful about how seriously we're taking his ideas.

 

https://docs.google....20040102810.pdf

[Alder Logs]

If one looks at the patents of Thomas Townsend Brown from the '60s and applies that technology of electrostatic lifters, one could perhaps see that the three point triangular array would be necessary for a basic stable lifting body for operating in relation to Earth's G field.   A single such lifter will flip over unless carrying a very strong gyro stabilizer.  

 

There is also the potential for a gyro to be built in a way that would make it produce its own electrostatic field (i.e., G field), and would likely take the form of the classic flying saucer.   Any patents along these lines would be immediately classified by the DoD and would never see the light of day.   We should be happy that T.T. Brown managed to sneak a few through.  He pursued his research after the navy told him that what he showed them at Pearl Harbor in the '50s was nothing more than "ion wind."  Brown went on to test is models in extreme vacuum and found the efficiency greatly increased, disproving the ion wind notion. 

[SteampunkScientist]

By the way, with regard to the John Quincy St. Clair devices, these are patent applications, not fully accepted patents. Anyone can make a patent application for anything, even if you never have actually built the object or can show it works.

Not saying these things are not real, but one should always approach things things with a healthy scepticism.

Edited by SteampunkScientist, 31 May 2017 - 11:17 PM.

[jkdeth]

There are even people who attempt to predict future patents, with the hope they can sell the idea at some point in the future.

[SteampunkScientist]

Or... We can contemplate that these are actually people who have worked at places like area 51and are using patent applications as a means of getting the ideas/info out to the public by appearing "wacko" when in fact real data is being presented.

Think about this: John Quincy St. Claire.

"John Q. Public"

St. Clare was a female Franciscan saint who founded the order of the poor ladies. Franciscans represent the poor class, the "non-elites"... Ie "the public".

It's a stretch, I know.

Edited by SteampunkScientist, 31 May 2017 - 11:32 PM.

[jkdeth]

It's a stretch...or is it? The truth is out there...

[whirledpeas]

Yes! i knew it :) Very excited they are even starting to talk and come out about this. 

 

I was leaving my aunts home in Auburn WA later one night in May 2001, to head home to Portland (about a 3 hour drive by speed limit).... i was listening to 'Love Line' so it was about 11:30pm, and i had two small children sleeping in the back seat......

 

I was on the I-5 freeway somewhere around Vader (i recall seeing that sign), and i was some ways behind a Semi, other than that there was really no traffic)... On the other side of the freeway i seen headlights, there was a fast like white flash (that's what drew my attention to the car initially) and they suddenly swerved, . The headlights swerved... then the car started going very fast by on the other side.  THEN the semi ahead of me slowed WAY down.... i applied brakes and noted i was at 35mph, then he started to pick up speed again.

I began to accelerate and then 'Love Line' fuzzed out, as i reached for the dial, the whole car lit up inside. I looked up and there was a massive, massive, smooth silver bottom of a triangle object with a center white light, that is what was lighting the car... it was absolutely silent.  Was so close to the car roof that i noted that i could probably stand on the roof and only just miss reaching it.   It hovered long enough for me to note the size, approximate distance, and say all i could say at the time "what the f&^%.. what the f&^%...."

Then the light went dark, and it was all like the night sky, instantly. You just could not tell anything was there.... then a few seconds later i noticed another "flash" above the tree line to the right..the radio came back on,  and another a ways beyond that heading toward the coast (west that is). But other than the flash i just seen the night sky. 

 

I was wishing i could catch up to the semi, but he was by that time way far in the distance, so i pulled over where i could (just outside Longview) in a parking area, and had to get out of the car and light a cigarette (to calm my nerves) and think about what the heck i just seen. .... We weren't really too far from the military base to the north, so i didn't assume "alien UFO".  Until then i didn't even believe in UFO's... But i really was rattled.  Considered reporting it, then thought better not to.

 

I was not drinking, nor did i do anything back then, not even Tylenol (that was a time i was very involved in Christian Science).   

At any rate, i had someone staying at my apartment in Portland while i was gone.. i said "i don't know what's going on but the military is experimenting with  some seriously weird sh*t!"   I explained and got laughed at.  They made a good point that if it was so secret then why would thy be messing with people on the freeway?  That's true, but still it happened. 

 

I have seen that same "flash" twice since, years ago not recently.. but no object with it so who knows. 

 

But this story, thread, tho maybe not all revealed what is happening, is some small vindication for everyone who thought i was nuts and laughed... or avoided me after. :)

Edited by camirae, 04 October 2017 - 10:46 AM.

[fungi2bwith]

I believe you camirae.....I've seen a couple strange things in the sky in my lifetime....not the triangular vehicle, but something akin to the space ship off of that movie "Flight of the Navigator".  That was in Indiana. 4-5 silver oblong orbs in the sky making right angle turns and flying slower than a plane, almost hovering, then speeding off to break neck speeds.

 

   Sitting at an intersection in Cottonwood, AZ, coming towards Sedona, I saw the sun flash off of something hovering above Sedona, highly unlikely it was a plane. I was about 20 miles away from it.

   But there's all kinds of weird shit out here.....Bradshaw Ranch, the secret air force base back in Boyton Canyon.

Edited by fungi2bwith, 04 October 2017 - 03:28 PM.

[whirledpeas]

I believe you camirae.....I've seen a couple strange things in the sky in my lifetime....not the triangular vehicle, but something akin to the space ship off of that movie "Flight of the Navigator".  That was in Indiana. 4-5 silver oblong orbs in the sky making right angle turns and flying slower than a plane, almost hovering, then speeding off to break neck speeds.

 

   Sitting at an intersection in Cottonwood, AZ, coming towards Sedona, I saw the sun flash off of something hovering above Sedona, highly unlikely it was a plane. I was about 20 miles away from it.

   But there's all kinds of weird shit out here.....Bradshaw Ranch, the secret air force base back in Boyton Canyon.

 

There are some seriously weird things going on in Arizona/New Mexico