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#1 fungi2bwith

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 12:46 PM

thought this was very interesting....looks like those triangular ufo's people see are actually us.....

 

https://www.google.c...569981762970673

 

https://www.google.c...TwcAKQQ6AEIWDAH

 

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Edited by fungi2bwith, 18 May 2017 - 12:52 PM.

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 01:34 PM

are inventors not obliged to explain the source of the power that will propel the craft? to propel itself across galaxies it's going to need to be able to generate or harness a whole bunch of lightweight energy. seems that explaining how it works should be as critical as explaining what the thing is and what it does.


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Posted 18 May 2017 - 02:33 PM

@Pharmer, did you see the second link, which is a patent for the Rotating electrostatic propulsion system



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Posted 18 May 2017 - 08:31 PM

I saw it, and this may show how far I am out of my depth, but there needs to be a power Supply, right?

 

Unless the REPS is a perpetual motion machine or sucks energy out of Space it's limited by what energy it can carry or scrounge. But scrounging eats energy and is ultimately a cost, not a benefit. And carrying is even less efficient and tethers the machine to known supply locations or sources.

 

Unless we actually believe that the thing is going to generate a wormhole.......

 

Let's try it this way - is there a working model of this thing?



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Posted 18 May 2017 - 10:35 PM

I've done a lil bit more research on this thing.....apparently it's nuclear powered, but I also heard something about mercury in there as well....which reminds me of the hindi texts talking about flying machines powered by mercury, or "liquid metal"



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Posted 19 May 2017 - 03:30 PM

OK, sign me up for one, in midnight blue if you have it, but any color will be fine.

 

 

Unless we actually believe that the thing is going to generate a wormhole.......

From the documents "...a combined spacetime curvature pressure is generated on the hull in the upward and forward direction to produce lift and propulsion respectively..."

Best I can imagine, multidimenaional space allows what we perceive as a flat plane, to do tricks as if it were curved.  

 

For example, walk due South for 1 mile, then due East for one mile, and finally due North for one mile.  You arrive exactly where you started.  Where are you?  Answer:North Pole. Three right angles can make a closed triangle, and parallel lines do in fact meet, so our concept of distance becomes inadequate to describe how we go from one place to another.

Hyperspace and wormholes are one way of describing these multidimensional effects.  I am not comfortable with STRING THEORY, or even QUANTUM THEORY, but have read enough and tripped enough to understand that our 5 senses are inadequate for complete understanding.

 

Would love spend time with Alder Logs so I could better understand his objections to gravitational theory, becauese I suspect that it would clarify why I can effectively manipulate electromagnetic equations to my advantage, without having any faith in the traditional explanations of what they are supposed to show.  I accept the raw data, but reject the current theories as inadequate,


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 05:44 PM

Or maybe they can be powered with something like this imposable motor....

http://www.nbcnews.c...planets-n761101

EDIT: I want mine to be fire engine red, please :)

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 05:55 PM

What a great time for discovery and learning.


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Posted 29 May 2017 - 08:05 PM

The mercury is supposedly used as an electric conductor to couple voltage from a very high speed rotating part to the stationary parts, the stator. Brushes are not reliable or even useable at extremely high RPM's. The description of the device is almost exactly the type of device claimed to have been built by the Nazis in WWII. It was called the Bell. Mercury was also required as parts of it rotated at extreme RPM's

These devices are not compatible in any way with currently known physical laws. I dare say my career in electronics, which I have been in for longer than I care to contemplate has hardened my Gee Whiz acceptance of such quackery.

But they do make for excellent late night, stoned TV viewing. :)
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Posted 29 May 2017 - 08:11 PM

The thing about patents is they don't have to any science behind them.
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Posted 29 May 2017 - 08:39 PM

 I accept the raw data, but reject the current theories as inadequate,

 

That seems a very realistic approach to working these ideas. I'm humble enough to KNOW I don't know enough to have strong opinions about ideas like this but trust the needle on my BS Detector and keep a good grip on skepticism.

 

As someone above mentioned - very cool idea to ponder around the campfire.


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Posted 30 May 2017 - 12:19 AM

I think the filer is ill and we should probably be careful about how seriously we're taking his ideas.

 

https://docs.google....20040102810.pdf


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Posted 30 May 2017 - 09:59 AM

If one looks at the patents of Thomas Townsend Brown from the '60s and applies that technology of electrostatic lifters, one could perhaps see that the three point triangular array would be necessary for a basic stable lifting body for operating in relation to Earth's G field.   A single such lifter will flip over unless carrying a very strong gyro stabilizer.  

 

There is also the potential for a gyro to be built in a way that would make it produce its own electrostatic field (i.e., G field), and would likely take the form of the classic flying saucer.   Any patents along these lines would be immediately classified by the DoD and would never see the light of day.   We should be happy that T.T. Brown managed to sneak a few through.  He pursued his research after the navy told him that what he showed them at Pearl Harbor in the '50s was nothing more than "ion wind."  Brown went on to test is models in extreme vacuum and found the efficiency greatly increased, disproving the ion wind notion. 


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Posted 31 May 2017 - 11:15 PM

By the way, with regard to the John Quincy St. Clair devices, these are patent applications, not fully accepted patents. Anyone can make a patent application for anything, even if you never have actually built the object or can show it works.

Not saying these things are not real, but one should always approach things things with a healthy scepticism.

Edited by SteampunkScientist, 31 May 2017 - 11:17 PM.

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 11:20 PM

There are even people who attempt to predict future patents, with the hope they can sell the idea at some point in the future.
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Posted 31 May 2017 - 11:24 PM

Or... We can contemplate that these are actually people who have worked at places like area 51and are using patent applications as a means of getting the ideas/info out to the public by appearing "wacko" when in fact real data is being presented.

Think about this: John Quincy St. Claire.

"John Q. Public"

St. Clare was a female Franciscan saint who founded the order of the poor ladies. Franciscans represent the poor class, the "non-elites"... Ie "the public".

It's a stretch, I know.

Edited by SteampunkScientist, 31 May 2017 - 11:32 PM.


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Posted 31 May 2017 - 11:38 PM

It's a stretch...or is it? The truth is out there...




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