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#41 Thunder

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 04:42 AM

Thunder, we have a thing about being generally respectful in this Mycotopia community, and we do mostly give a fuck, as this is not the internet at large here.    This place it quite different, as a matter of fact.   This isn't Facebook.   It is a cut above.   I hope everyone sees that and tries to fit into this paradigm.   I've written of my battles with corruption in high places here, so I am not inclined to go into it now.    I have done masturbation of many forms, even the real kind.   You can jack what you like and I won't dis you for it.
 
Please forgive me if I have mistaken your tone.


Yeah, I would like to apologize for that. I had been drinking and was a dick, i'm sorry. I will stay off the boards when I drink, I become an ass, but I think attention to local affairs is MUCH more important than anything else.
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Posted 14 July 2017 - 06:41 AM

Pardon me but...

What the fuck is pizzagate?



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Posted 14 July 2017 - 08:00 AM

Roflmao!
Comet Ping Pong Pizza (I think) pizza joint tailored for kids had a secret Democratic cabal, Hillary was the Grand Poobah, supposedly, that practiced Satanism, witchcraft, human sacrifice, child pornography, slavery, orgies, puppy kicking and nose picking.
Deplorable stuff all around!
An internet rumor started to damage sales or rile up the gullible, I guess.

A guy actually showed up strapped, fired off a few rounds, all to get to the perps.

http://www.snopes.co...ate-conspiracy/


Yes, I know. There are 'witches' who practice beneficial magic, but in this instance, it was supposed to have been the nasty kind.

Edited by Thunder, 14 July 2017 - 09:13 AM.


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 09:16 AM

Roflmao!
Comet Ping Pong Pizza (I think) pizza joint tailored for kids had a secret Democratic cabal, Hillary was the Grand Poobah, supposedly, that practiced Satanism, witchcraft, human sacrifice, child pornography, slavery, orgies, puppy kicking and nose picking.
Deplorable stuff all around!
An internet rumor started to damage sales or rile up the gullible, I guess.

A guy actually showed up strapped, fired off a few rounds, all to get to the perps.

http://www.snopes.co...ate-conspiracy/


Yes, I know. There are 'witches' who practice beneficial magic, but in this instance, ot was supposed to have been the nasty kind.

Hilary's been really really busy, being secretary of state, public speaking digs, and democratic presidential candidate wouldn't involve long hours or anything. Considering her 'contacts' I would have thought she could have pulled a few strings in the odd embassy or two, and made it a world wide thing. And I think being the Grand Poo of Pixieland would involve a substantial pay cut...



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Posted 14 July 2017 - 09:37 AM

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The Grand Poobah.

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 09:44 AM

Roflmao!
Comet Ping Pong Pizza (I think) pizza joint tailored for kids had a secret Democratic cabal, Hillary was the Grand Poobah, supposedly, that practiced Satanism, witchcraft, human sacrifice, child pornography, slavery, orgies, puppy kicking and nose picking.
Deplorable stuff all around!
An internet rumor started to damage sales or rile up the gullible, I guess.
A guy actually showed up strapped, fired off a few rounds, all to get to the perps.http://www.snopes.co...ate-conspiracy/
Yes, I know. There are 'witches' who practice beneficial magic, but in this instance, ot was supposed to have been the nasty kind.

Hilary's been really really busy, being secretary of state, public speaking digs, and democratic presidential candidate wouldn't involve long hours or anything. Considering her 'contacts' I would have thought she could have pulled a few strings in the odd embassy or two, and made it a world wide thing. And I think being the Grand Poo of Pixieland would involve a substantial pay cut...
Lol, yessir, I think it would, but world domination is a tricksy thing!

I even heard she pulls the wings off baby butterflies!!! Nasty woman!

Edited by Thunder, 14 July 2017 - 09:53 AM.


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Posted 18 July 2017 - 10:29 AM

It's time to quit trying to parse the conspiracies promulgated by others and become active participants in the game!

 

If we start now, within a couple of generations the members of Mycotopia could be ruling the world, assuming such is even possible (it's not, but all we need is the perception that it is so). We just need to start thinking in the same sorts of ways that the various extant groups who are competing to be the one that is perceived to be in charge think. Which is to say, long-term. Very long-term, i.e. in centuries, if not millennia.

 

It's how institutions like the Catholic Church think, or the heads of corporations that were formed in generations prior think, or how the members of powerful families think.

 

There's a reason why some people get rich and possibly even powerful, yet the wealth and power they achieved in their life is not passed along to their descendants while others manage to create multi-generational dynasties whose wealth and power only seem to increase in subsequent generations. Crack that nut and you're playing in the Big League, but be careful as you'd also be living in the human equivalent of a shark tank teeming with high-functioning psychopathic sharks capable of tearing you apart and eating you overtly (where all can see the blood in the water as an example of the price of failure) or through more subtle means (where you just quietly disappear and no one notices).

 

Or just declare yourself an "autonomous region" and deal with those who seek power and dominance over others the way you'd treat bears or lions in the wild. That is, acknowledge that such predators exist and do your best to avoid them, which is about all that anyone really can do.

 

As an autonomous region, I'm theoretically free to go wherever I want and do whatever I want. But that does not mean I'd be able to hang out in front of a lion's den or go around slapping grizzlies on the butt (even if I was another lion or grizzly myself) without a high probability of suffering very unpleasant consequences. But like being eaten by a lion or mauled by a grizzly in the wilderness, I wouldn't take it personally as that's what predators do. Same goes for governments, or multinational corporations (which for the purposes of this comment are just abstract varieties of predator).

 

It's up to me to figure out how to navigate my reality as it stands, predators and all. But if I get together with a group of like-minded prey, we might one day achieve enough power and influence to become predators ourselves (a de facto conspiracy!), though that merely exchanges one set of existential threats for another since predators tend to be aggressively territorial and all predators are also 'edible' and so have the potential to become prey. All it takes is a moment of weakness as a predator and suddenly you are the main course instead of the one enjoying it. So becoming a predator is no guarantee of increased safety or security or comfort (not by a long shot; it may even result in less of same).

 

I guess this is to say that the greatest conspiracy of all is the one we all share (and that many have a personal stake in), i.e. the idea that human civilization is somehow not merely another manifestation of wilderness, with all its attendant threats to and 'rules' for one's survival (and that someone or some group is actually capable of being in charge of it all to any meaningful degree).

 

Or something like that; I don't feel that I've quite manged to express what I'm getting at well enough to be satisfied yet, so my point here is still a work in progress but I hope I've managed to convey some sense of it in all these words.


Edited by TVCasualty, 18 July 2017 - 10:31 AM.

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 02:47 PM

 

...I wouldn't take it personally as that's what predators do.

 

Yeah, those predators are always taking it personally.  Victims do the same thing.    All the wannabes and don't wannabes are doing the same thing, all so personally involved.   It can be so tiring.

 

I like being nothing.  I am not any kind of region.  Fuck such a limitation.   As nothing, I am unlimited.  As everything, spread way too thin.   Autonomy is a Hell of a fantasy, though a very appealing one at that.   Being nothing gets such a bad rap, culturally.   We are all to make something of ourselves.   As nothing, I am neither predator nor prey.   Is responsibility the ability to respond?   Who is more able to move or abstain, the constrained persona, or the free being? 

 

Just thinking out loud.   Make nothing of it. 


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Posted 18 July 2017 - 09:02 PM

With regard to the idea that the Nazis did not gas and cremate millions: http://tiergartenstr...TION_CAMPS.html

There were German companies that made money selling ovens to concentration camps. Remember that the next time you shave with your Braun, as you drink a cup of coffee from your Krupp.

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 09:09 PM

Speaking of the Catholic church...they do an awesome job of building guilt into a young mind and it's very very hard to shake it off. Nevermind the fact that they also plant that damned Judgement Day thing in your head too.

 

If I knew for absolutely certain that guilt is an illusion and Judgement Day a fiction I'd have no problem with either joining the Mycotopia World Government Conspiracy or acting the lone wolf to neutralize as many players in the NWO as humanly possible.

 

But, the Catholics buried a harpoon in me........      :(



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Posted 18 July 2017 - 09:10 PM

TV, I love your analysis... The fact that we actually can stop and think about ourselves abstractly makes us forget that we are still in the wild... So we build our civilizations, our technologies, and think we are somehow "outside".

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Posted 20 July 2017 - 12:50 AM

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I like being nothing. I am not any kind of region. Fuck such a limitation. As nothing, I am unlimited. As everything, spread way too thin. Autonomy is a Hell of a fantasy, though a very appealing one at that. Being nothing gets such a bad rap, culturally. We are all to make something of ourselves. As nothing, I am neither predator nor prey. [/quote]

Thank you Alder, your post reminded me of what I wanted to say before my little jingle moment earlier.

Autonomy does not have to be a fantasy, however, it isn't easy to obtain.

As I mentioned in another thread, peyote showed me the way. Ten years ago , I realized I was nothing but the number I was givin at birth. As long as I held that number, I would always be property of the government. I spent the next five years researching how to break free from that number.

Freedom from the system can be achieved, but that freedom does come with a large cost. One example of those costs; I chose to become homeless, therefore I can not ask nor expect those in the system to feed me, clothe me, nor give me shelter, or medicine. I will never expect yours or anyone's tax dollars to make my choice easier.

I do not consider myself a sovereign, as far as I am concerned those people are total fucking nut jobs. I believe in honoring most of societies laws, most are there for the safety of us all. However if I need food I will hunt or fish, license be damned.

I am nothing, I have nothing, I don't even believe the dog that share it's life with me to be "MY DOG" he is free to leave me if he decides to.

By being nothing, and having nothing, I find that I don't need, or want for anything. I also find that, that freedom makes me a kinder and more giving Pearson.

Anyway, I could start an entire forum on how to get your freedoms but I really don't think most of you want to hear all that boring shit.

I want to toss out a challenge to all of you. We see on these threads all the time that we all wish we could change this or that. The challenge is this. For one week every time you get gas or go through a check out line, look at that persons name tag. If her name is let's say candy before you leave say " thank you Candy, for taking the time to help me get through my day. And may you have a great day"

If you truely want to see change in action watch their face as they realize you took the time to look at the tag and address them by name.

My fellow topiates let's start our own concpericy, let's try to convince others that there really are good people still around today. My God won't the joke be on them?

Anyway love ya all and enjoy the little shit, cause at some point you will come across a giant turd.

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Posted 20 July 2017 - 04:41 AM

 

 

Roflmao!
Comet Ping Pong Pizza (I think) pizza joint tailored for kids had a secret Democratic cabal, Hillary was the Grand Poobah, supposedly, that practiced Satanism, witchcraft, human sacrifice, child pornography, slavery, orgies, puppy kicking and nose picking.
Deplorable stuff all around!
An internet rumor started to damage sales or rile up the gullible, I guess.
A guy actually showed up strapped, fired off a few rounds, all to get to the perps.http://www.snopes.co...ate-conspiracy/
Yes, I know. There are 'witches' who practice beneficial magic, but in this instance, ot was supposed to have been the nasty kind.

Hilary's been really really busy, being secretary of state, public speaking digs, and democratic presidential candidate wouldn't involve long hours or anything. Considering her 'contacts' I would have thought she could have pulled a few strings in the odd embassy or two, and made it a world wide thing. And I think being the Grand Poo of Pixieland would involve a substantial pay cut...
Lol, yessir, I think it would, but world domination is a tricksy thing!

I even heard she pulls the wings off baby butterflies!!! Nasty woman!

 

I think baby butterflies are ... naturally wingless. They're called catapillers...

America has a trailblazing record in too many fields to count... Man on the moon, etc etc etc... But it also has this...........



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Posted 21 July 2017 - 03:03 AM

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I think baby butterflies are ... naturally wingless. They're called catapillers...
America has a trailblazing record in too many fields to count... Man on the moon, etc etc etc... But it also has this...........[/quote]

HA! I was wondering how long it would take for someone to catch that! Lol It was a 'grenade' joke, took time to cook off. A week, maybe more? Thanks for playing! Tell her what she's won Bob!
(The sad thing is that there are probably people who believe the crap I made up earlier, "Hey! Did you know. . .?") Too much info and not enough research.

Besides, I can't be bothered with such ephemeral things like science, the facts or hard, imperical evidence when I have cable network news, and the internet/ Facebook, to tell me how and what to think! Pe-shaw! Facts? I laugh in the face of facts, just like Bill O'Reilly, or any of the other talking heads.
(sarcasm)

Edited by Thunder, 21 July 2017 - 05:28 AM.


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Posted 22 July 2017 - 06:28 PM

IBM made some of the machines used for cataloguing and bookkeeping for the nazis.

 

Bayer sold HIV infected blood to hemophiliacs,

 

You can find dozens of these kinds of events with a little internet searching.

 

The thing to take away from all of this is that a world based on the blind accumulation of profit comes with a huge list of terrible side effects.  Unchecked acquisition of power by a few results in a situation no different than a parasite eating its host to death, killing both.

 

A little more long-term vision is needed if society is to move forward and not keep repeating all the old atrocities of history.  Whatever system works the best, we certainly haven't found it yet.



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Posted 22 July 2017 - 06:38 PM

You always need to balance facts however. IBM made machines to catalog dozens of results from scientist's laboratorys. They made machines that catalogued a farmers wheat. I am pretty certain when an order for these machines went in they came from corporations like "J.A. Topf und Söhne".

These German companies probably did not say "Hey IBM, you know we got us a-heap a Dead Jews ta burn in our big ovens we built, but we need your machines to keep track of it all. Would that be okay?"

When you sell things to others, you don't necessarily have any idea what some one else might do. If you find afore, that they have bad intent, well then yes, now you are culpable.

Do we know if IBM knew what their machines would be used for? Do we have proof of this intent? If we don't, we cannot for sure state that they were malicious in intent.

And perhaps that is you point. Long term vision. But sometimes our vision, no matter how good, gets blocked.


However... There is a system that we know works. It just doesn't allow for anyone ever to rule anyone else. It is the singular decision of each individual to follow the one law, which states:

" I may do whatever I wish, go as far as I am willing, live in any fashion...as long as I never abrogate the rights of another to the same."

That is it. The entirety of a society consisting of only individuals who follow this one law.

That is the system that will work.

And it is the only working system that will ever be found.

Edited by SteampunkScientist, 22 July 2017 - 06:47 PM.

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 02:37 PM

 

 

...I wouldn't take it personally as that's what predators do.

 

Yeah, those predators are always taking it personally.  Victims do the same thing.    All the wannabes and don't wannabes are doing the same thing, all so personally involved.   It can be so tiring.

 

I like being nothing.  I am not any kind of region.  Fuck such a limitation.   As nothing, I am unlimited.  As everything, spread way too thin.   Autonomy is a Hell of a fantasy, though a very appealing one at that.   Being nothing gets such a bad rap, culturally.   We are all to make something of ourselves.   As nothing, I am neither predator nor prey.   Is responsibility the ability to respond?   Who is more able to move or abstain, the constrained persona, or the free being? 

 

Just thinking out loud.   Make nothing of it. 

 

 

You're prey if a predator decides you are. Such is the nature of predation.

 

It's amazing what a little salt and pepper, or a good marinade, can do to Nothing.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 03:43 PM

Still the humble, silent, fungi feed on it all..............and in the end simply make more dirt.............there's no conspiracy there.......

 

I tolerate a bunch of shit I don't believe in out of selfish convenience to me and when I can't tolerate it I do what I please regardless...........

 

Some juice simply isn't worth the squeeze and martyrdom holds no sacred place for me............

 

By far my habitat and domain are relatively small and insignificant but I'm pretty happy in that illusion........

 

Most of the shit going on, or being reported to go on, I don't even think about because I don't watch TV or listen to the radio......sad as it is to say fucking ignorance is bliss.....

 

When the predator comes I shoot back to kill or I become prey and I accept that.......I am an animal and I'm trained to kill if necessary.

 

We have some fancy dens made out of mostly persistent toxic substances and collect chunks of each others lifetimes as our trophies.

 

But were lazy too so we use tokens called money to document our conquests. Gold and silver are heavy and most people today couldn't defend themselves in a thumb wrestling match let alone combat over metals......

 

In fact we've now moved to digital assets called money and I'm certain that physical currency will soon have it's place in the museums beside the other dust, bones, and trinkets of bygone human endeavors........

 

In the end our flatulent self aggrandizing will silently drift through the cold active vacuum only to coalesce once again.........and spores will germinate and make DIRT........... 

 

Crafty bio-blobs that we are............albeit stinky ones......   



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Posted 23 July 2017 - 04:37 PM

Dirt is only half of the equation Arathu. It is one pillar. The other pillar is light, or Life itself. Dirt and Light, Life and Dirt. They dance together as only two lovers can.

And we are just one of their progeny.

Edited by SteampunkScientist, 23 July 2017 - 04:37 PM.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 08:45 PM

You always need to balance facts however. IBM made machines to catalog dozens of results from scientist's laboratorys. They made machines that catalogued a farmers wheat. I am pretty certain when an order for these machines went in they came from corporations like "J.A. Topf und Söhne".

These German companies probably did not say "Hey IBM, you know we got us a-heap a Dead Jews ta burn in our big ovens we built, but we need your machines to keep track of it all. Would that be okay?"

When you sell things to others, you don't necessarily have any idea what some one else might do. If you find afore, that they have bad intent, well then yes, now you are culpable.

Do we know if IBM knew what their machines would be used for? Do we have proof of this intent? If we don't, we cannot for sure state that they were malicious in intent.

And perhaps that is you point. Long term vision. But sometimes our vision, no matter how good, gets blocked.

I have never read this book, though it has been on my, "Books I'd like to read but never will" list for a long time ;)

 

I'm aware of it's central claim however and so, I post it into the record, here.

 

My understanding is that it makes an attempt at answering your questions and, if this synopsis, from it's Amazon page is any indication, anyone with a serious inquiry regarding the matter may benefit from reading the book:

 

 

 

IBM and the Holocaust is the award-winning, New York Times bestselling shocker--a million copies in print--detailing IBM's conscious co-planning and co-organizing of the Holocaust for the Nazis, all micromanaged by its president Thomas J Watson from New York and Paris. This Expanded Edition offers 37 pages of previous unpublished documents, pictures, internal company correspondence, and other archival materials to produce an even more explosive volume. Originally published to extraordinary praise in 2001, this provocative, award-winning international bestseller has stood the test of time as it chronicles the story of IBM's strategic alliance with Nazi Germany. IBM and the Holocaust provides nothing less than a chilling investigation into corporate complicity. Edwin Black's monumental research exposes how IBM and its subsidiaries helped create enabling technologies for the Nazis, step-by-step, from the identification and cataloging programs of the 1930s to the selections of the 1940s.


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