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[psilomed]

i remember about 5 years ago when he came here and asked me about growing shrooms
and if it'd be ok to send other cluster sufferers here,
of course i said sure, anything we can do to help, we will.

as a cluster headache sufferer myself,
i would like to thank hip3 for allowing
us into your "house" to gain knowledge
in order to attain this
"medication" that's so effective
in treating cluster headaches.

and also thanks to all forum
members for sharing your
knowledge.

peace

[Hippie3]

:bow:
pleasure to serve.


on the america-bash theme-
my objection is singling out one nation
'when all nations are guilty of the same.
of course people generally talk about
their own country, but not always.
even american members should understand
that not everyone feels the same way
and when you denounce an entire nation
you denounce the people too,
that mean our families and friends
and some of us
'take that personal'.
so plz try to be more international in view,
and show some respect for others' feelings.

[smacked12]

Right now all we know is that they work!

as a 14yr ch sufferer this is enough for me. after countless cat scans, hours upon hours wasted in an mri booth and thousands of wasted dollars to find anything that provided relief was a blessing.

[psilomed]

I want to know why they work.

you're right, we need to know why they work. efforts are under
way to present proposals to government agencies to approve
research. first is to scientifically prove efficacy. if we can get
to this step then the why can be researched. approval for research on
schedule 1's in this class very difficult. will be small steps at a time.
it's a start, hopefully approval for the first step will come. so all
we have now are anecdotal reports and uncontrolled case studies.
this alternate medication works for most ch sufferers that properly
detox from other certain medications that don't block these
particular indole amines, i know it works for me.

peace

[The Rogue Angel]

although much of my experiments(on myself) with mushrooms are about a spiritual quest I also use low doses to alleviate cluster headaches... Thanks Hippie for a place we can all learn more about botanical pharmacopia

[Underground_Shaman]

the original thread:

http://mycotopia.net...ges/5/1727.html

[Hippie3]

from that link-

The subject of using 5-HT analog drugs to treat vascular headache was introduced to us by a CH sufferer back at the old site.

the 'old' site was 'topia
back when we hosted on yage.net
and i believe that CH sufferer might
be the man mentioned above.

[viraljimmy]

It's really cool they can help like that.

As far as the legalities go, how much trouble
could someone get in for growing a few
mushrooms as treatment for a nasty painful
condition? You don't even need to get high
for it to work.

Maybe I am naive, but I can't see a prosecuter
or judge really trying to nail someone like that.

[Soliver1]

It just pisses me off when people slam something without giving any credence to it's good points. And I don't care if he is an American or not. America bashing pisses me off. I take that shit personally.
Yeah, the drug laws in America are stupid. Yeah, most of America's politicians are more part of the problem than part of the solution.
By the same token, America's freedom of speech laws make this site not only legal, but in many ways, unimpeachable. As long as this site follows a few basic rules of conduct, it can continue to spread this knowledge without any concern of having censors kick in the door and shut it down.
Sure, the "rules" in America say 'shrooms are illegal. At the same time, those same "rules" make this site (and so many other sites where we can easily and cheaply order supplies) perfectly legal - or at least safely "grey area."
Those same rules make it possible to spread information about a treatment the "establishment" isn't aware of. The medicine (and awareness of how to produce it at home) still proliferate - all this supported by the same rules that make it "illegal."
If you want to throw out one rule (illegal shrooms) then you throw out all the other rules that let you learn this "illicit information" in the first place.
Bash my country and you bash me. Make generalizations about America and you make generalizations about me. I take that shit personally.
My apologies if I was overtly harsh in stating that, Eldeeder.

Eldeeder's bash is what makes this country great. By suppressing opinions, especially those that you don't agree with or find offensive, you are taking a moral stance against the country you claim to love so much.

I don't agree with his opinion, but I'll fight for his right to let it fly.

:)

soliver

[Hippie3]

there's a time and a place for expressing political opinions
those who vent any time any where are being selfish
and need regulation.

[Shroom Bafoon]

i suffer with severe low back pain. i am taking OC 40mg 3xday. My Neuro has operated once, and i get pain injections quarterlyto treat the 3 completley ruptured disks. Nothing, i mean NOTHING helps exept OC. even then i still hurt, just not like i've been runover by a truck. when i take a mall dose of Psilocybin; 75-80% decrease PAIN,and mild to no trip. and most of the time, if i dont over do my self while i dont hurt as bad, there is no significant back pain when i "come down".does anybody know a shroom for pain?:hippie: :hippie: :reb: :reb: :naughty:

[psilomed]

if i may add.....not only has psilocybin and LSD
shown effective in treating cluster headaches,
but another indoleamine LSA, preferrably hydrolized from Hawaiian
Baby Woodrose (HBWR) and Rivea Corymbosa seeds
are providing relief for ch sufferers, again based on
anecdotal reports. I have personal experience with
use of LSA for treatment, and it or in combination with
psilocybin ended my last ch cycle. i'm not sure if it was
LSA by itself that terminated the cycle since i used it one day after
light dosing with psilocybin. other folks have been finding
success with LSA by itself and/or in combination. use of these seeds
seem to be more acceptable to some since self pharming is not
involved, rather just legal purchase of the seeds.
peace

[phantom]

I suppose this is the perfect place for my first post. I've been suffering from cluster headaches for about 6 years now. If anyone that doesn't have them wants to know how they feel for me do this: get a milkshake and a big straw then drink as fast as you can. As the brain freeze starts to settle in don't stop drinking. Keep it up for about a minute or two. That's about the intensity of the pain, it just lasts a lot longer with the CH.
I've tried about 20 or more medictions and none have helped. My personal physician is out of options at this point and the neurologist thinks that I am addicted to narcotics. It really didn't seem to him that it mattered that I don't take any narcotics, I have a really bad reaction to them.
Even though I do use MJ for recreational uses, I never tried it for a CH. One night I was in pain and decided what the hell and tried it. Not only did it work but the CH was gone in about 5 seconds. The only problem is that it is temporary.
Now I am going to try 'shrooms to see if they will be a more permenant solution. I am abot a month into my first grow but things are not going very good yet. I have some good mycellium growth in some of my jars using the PF tec, but I think I messed up my mixture from the start. I may have accidentally use a 1:1:1 mixture instead of a 2:1:1 mix. The growth seems to have stopped and I had to throw out my first jar today. Sorry to get off topic.
Anyway, i'm glad I found a forum with so many people willing to help. One day maybe the government will get it together an help people with conditions that can be helped with substances they don't want to understan instead of persecuting us.:eusa_pray

[leomanxvii]

How is harvard conducting psychedelic studies in the these recent years? I thought that was illegal. Didn't leary get fired for that...?

[Hippie3]

not illegal IF one has the proper permits from the DEA

[leomanxvii]

Hmm oh ok

[Set]

we are free..............to do what they tell us.

Hey, when your government wants your opinion they'll tell you what that opinion IS!

[Set]

does anybody know a shroom for pain?

I've heard of people taking shrooms for some pain, other than clusters, and having that work.

PS, I've also heard from someone who experimented that a low dose does not do well at ALL for anxiety attacks. Sure, some of you might think that would be common sense, but low doses give some people a mild euphoria and a lessening of depressions, I could see a justification for trying it out on an anxiety attack. Still, apparently that one was not good. :thumbdown:

[Lazlo]

Set, they've conducted similar studies with LSD and had great results treating depression as well.

[Hippie3]

and a few suicides as well
so this isn't advised.