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#21 Cigarsam

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:42 AM

Dude, I'm sorry to say this is true. It's only time before we will not be able to get our hands on it forever. Thanks to our Big Brother who is hooked on prescriptions.
It's probably better to get it while you still can before it becomes illegal.
A change is a coming for this harmless plant.

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 10:17 AM

A good heaping tsp of mixed White Borneo and White Sumatran, with some Full Spectrum Maeng Da frosted is my morning tonic. This gets the pain out of my knees and lets me get all my daily stuff done. I do not double dose in a day, so it wears off about 3-4 PM.

 

It really pisses me off when I see so much time and expense dedicated to eliminate these safer alternatives to Big Pharmas attempted monopoly on pain management.

If I did not live in a wind tunnel, I would more than just consider a large greenhouse to maintain a humid tropical environment..............


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 05:25 PM

Wait ... S. Film?  I had to look that up ... freakn' viagra?  Huh.  Never messed with that stuff ...

 

Any substance that changes your perception of the universe positively is addictive: MJ, ethanol, caffeine, kratom, etc.  I exclude shrooms, as they'll leave a mental scar if you play too long or too hard.

 

Kratom's totally addictive, but being hooked to green tea and being hooked to hard opiates?  Chasm of difference there.  Nonetheless, it's on the way out and in the crosshairs of the DEA / FDA.  Hopefully you've all called - on the phone, not an email, your Congressmen?  I ring 'em every three days.  Assholes. 

 

In the meantime I'm calculating my current age, consumption, and a (probably unrealistic) limit to my term on this ball 'o mud and purchasing bulk.  Just in case.  I don't trust those fuckers, and I'd rather have a closet full of kratom and be wrong than a whanging brain-chemistry problem when the supply runs out for real. 

 

Some folks stock AR-15s and ammo, some stock kratom. 

 

I've got both ... ready for the political apocalypse either way - huzzah!

 

:)

 

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#24 Cigarsam

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 05:33 PM

S. Film is my way of putting it out there.
Suboxone 8mg film. It's in many ways worse than all opiates.

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 07:20 PM

Ah - that makes a lot more sense than sildenafil.  I mean, sure - everyone likes a boner and all, I just don't think of it as a morning starter ...

 

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 03:19 AM

Check this out. I have been trying to stock up. My card won't go through. I waited until payday when I had money on two more cards, two more different banks. No deal. I tried to do a direct cash transfer, three days goes by and it goes back in to my account. Called the bank and they said the money was not collected and that they in no way declined my purchases... I am fuckin' stumped, and distressed. I ordered two kilos of white maeng Da from a place I found on a google search for $88 apiece, and that went through, Three days later I received two kilos if GARBAGE. It is low quality, tastes nothing like the Maeng Da, and if you are a use of that you know it has a different flavor as kratom goes. It also has SAND in it. When I stir it in to the water, there is gritty sand on the bottom of the glass that I can feel scraping around with the spoon,

 

The stuff is slightly active for an energy boost, but is worthless for pain, and pain is why I use Kratom. I am damn devastated because I don't have more money to throw at it to stock up, and I am so used to the freaking excellent quality stuff I get from Kratoma that all others pale in comparison. They have been spoiling me for the last few years, and now I am scared to death to try to buy more and get garbage. Right now I have my friend attempting to order for me, but haven't found out yet if that goes through or not and don't want to ask him to order again later, as I don't want to involve other people in my idiocy lol.

 

Yeah to say I am disappointed is a huge understatement. It's Christmas time and the money just isn't there to replace the lost money for the dirty crud I bought from a cheap distributor. I am just distressed at the fact that they may make it illegal very soon before I can figure out a way to order from my good source. The only way to order left to me is to buy bitcoin to use and I am very leery of that. Has anyone used it?

 

On a different note, anyone who starts with two tablespoons of the stuff I take is in for a big puke fest. I strongly tell everyone to not take more than a slightly rounded tea spoon to start, and if I took a tablespoon full even after using this stuff for years, I would be green and puking. I put two heaping TEAspoonfuls in a big bottle of powerade every day and sip on that through my workday, leaving a good 25% till the end of the night so I get off work feeling good. That is what allows me to work like I do, and play guitar every night, because before I found this stuff I thought I was going to have to retire and quit playing music because my arthritis was so severe. I am devastated that they are going to take this away from all of us. I hope I have time to stock up (and can figure out how the hell to do so) before this all evaporates.

 

PEace...


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Posted 15 December 2017 - 04:22 AM

Money order may be a way, its what i use when ordering different herbs out of the states as im in canada, and there is no other payment method for me. of coarse if they cash it and you end up not getting anything, there is no way to get your money back. but if you send it and they dont cash it and you keep your receipt you can get your money back after a certain amount of time. think its 60 days up here.

 

Sorry you ended up with crap.



#28 Cigarsam

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 08:26 AM

Switching to 2 level teaspoons as of today.
I was green and unchecked the first 2 days I got the stuff I have now.
I had to back down to 1 level tablespoon and after a few days my body is used to it but eyes were still red and pinned.

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 11:35 AM

Coop, I will send you some info on a reliable source when I get home from work today. I’m just posting here right for a reminder.
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Posted 15 December 2017 - 01:13 PM

Coop, I will send you some info on a reliable source when I get home from work today. I’m just posting here right for a reminder.

Would you be so kind as to also share that info with another brother....  please, and thank you :)

 

I would like to stock up while I can, and don't want to buy a large amount of bunk.


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Posted 15 December 2017 - 05:05 PM

 

Coop, I will send you some info on a reliable source when I get home from work today. I’m just posting here right for a reminder.

Would you be so kind as to also share that info with another brother....  please, and thank you :)

 

I would like to stock up while I can, and don't want to buy a large amount of bunk.

 

 

Soo .... are we allowed to discuss suppliers in the open, or no?  In my experience, every supplier I've ever had has burned me eventually, so there's no sure shot, but I'm also looking into continuing my upstock. 

 

It'd be nifty to be able to discuss this openly, or ... I dunno - someone PM me or whatever it's called this millennium, and I'll be happy to respond with my experiences  :)

 

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 05:20 PM

There's an entire kratom community over at Reddit.com. People often talk about or give reviews about suppliers so it can be a fairly reliable way to find out which ones are worth trusting. It's also a great place to keep on top of kratom-related news as members of the American Kratom Association sometimes post relevant updates on there. If anyone's interested in getting the link or can't find it on their own I'll be happy to help out in a private message.


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Posted 15 December 2017 - 05:48 PM

There's an entire kratom community over at Reddit.com. People often talk about or give reviews about suppliers so it can be a fairly reliable way to find out which ones are worth trusting. It's also a great place to keep on top of kratom-related news as members of the American Kratom Association sometimes post relevant updates on there. If anyone's interested in getting the link or can't find it on their own I'll be happy to help out in a private message.

 

I've always been under the impression that reddit is the anus of the internet, but that's not based on much ... drop a link if'n you don't mind - I don't trust myself to find the right one, as I'm not wise in the ways of reddit ...

 

many thanks,

 

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 06:53 PM

Coop, I will send you some info on a reliable source when I get home from work today. I’m just posting here right for a reminder.

Would you be so kind as to also share that info with another brother....  please, and thank you :)
 
I would like to stock up while I can, and don't want to buy a large amount of bunk.
 
Soo .... are we allowed to discuss suppliers in the open, or no?  In my experience, every supplier I've ever had has burned me eventually, so there's no sure shot, but I'm also looking into continuing my upstock. 
 
It'd be nifty to be able to discuss this openly, or ... I dunno - someone PM me or whatever it's called this millennium, and I'll be happy to respond with my experiences  :)
 
soliver
Personally, out of respect for some vendors I don’t mention publicly. They are still under the effects of “Operation Chokehold” and many merchant service providers will not allow Kratom sales. All the more reason to avoid anyone advertising and taking payment directly. Some of the sites have work arounds similar to what we have here. Others have you buy gift cards at another site and go back to purchase the kratom. I’m probably already saying to much.
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Posted 26 December 2017 - 07:52 PM

Am I too late to the party?  I've been hearing about this for years.  Even from my straight friends. 

 

Can you legally buy seeds?  And sell live plants?  If so where do you get seeds?  I looked on Ebay and that is apparently a no go.



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Posted 03 October 2018 - 02:00 PM

I hope anyone with a lot of pain knows about kratom and its properties. I just saw a movie on Netlfix called A Leaf of Faith, about the kratom leaf; cousin of the coffee plant, and its safe pain relieving abilities. The flick does a way better job than I could, of explaining its merits. Its a a serious viable alternative to pain killers, but safer and less expensive...sounds like legitimate competition for Big Pharma -->;last quarter's (and most quarters') biggest profiting industry('s most profitable product).

It appears that the leaf is still available and legal in most places, but most people are assuming with all Big Pharma's clout, its squarely on the feds chopping block, and would have already been banned by now, if not for the unapologetic push-back from millions of people safely benefiting from its effectiveness, but dont worry-its all for our own good and safety, of course.

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 03:01 PM

Not too late yet. In SC its more available than a year ago. Just a saw some in a smoke shop yesterday. Wide variety too. $20 for 3 ounces
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Posted 03 October 2018 - 03:51 PM

I could probably build a small playhouse from bricks of kratom I have stashed after the last two scares with the feds; that said, I'd suggest everyone stock some whenever you can.  It literally doesn't lose potency at all as long as you vacuum seal your bags and store in a cool, dry place.

 

This stuff is just too safe and too effective to stay on the shelves.  It's a huge thorn in the side of the legal opioid crisis, as it can cure addiction (well, sort of at least, if a safe trade off can be considered a 'cure').

 

I suppose I could try and quit, but I don't see why I should bother.  I take even less now that I'm only using capsules - with toss and wash it's too easy to get carried away.  I'll sit and watch a movie on a Saturday night when everyone's asleep and crank out hundreds of capsules.  Go to the herbal store, buy a big bottle of whatever herb is harmless, dump it, and store your kratom right in your desk drawer ... none shall be the wiser.  It's all just chopped up greenish powder in a clear capsule.

 

Love this stuff.

 

:)

 

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 01:25 AM

Have done "every" drug~

well NOT the new street drugs~

 

but KRATOM made me nuts & felt like a heart attack.

i spent considerable money on IT.

AND IT SPENT 3 years in my fridge. Other "drugs" don't last LONG AROUND me~

i finally gave IT to a bunch of gay chicks THAT WANTED IT.

i didn't know. i didn't know them either~they had my Sherman's there.

i "hate to say" i AGREE w/the FDA [coff coff]

DID "she" SAY THAT? :chucks: 

THANKS MY FRIEND

ps~HEROIN KILLS "PAIN" too.  Try that....THAT WAS TOTAL

SARCASM....not normally like "me"

but IT didn't work for pain.

and i didn't get it for 20 an oz. that's for sure


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 01:45 AM

Have done "every" drug~
well NOT the new street drugs~
 
but KRATOM made me nuts & felt like a heart attack.
i spent considerable money on IT.
AND IT SPENT 3 years in my fridge. Other "drugs" don't last LONG AROUND me~
i finally gave IT to a bunch of gay chicks THAT WANTED IT.
i didn't know. i didn't know them either~they had my Sherman's there.
i "hate to say" i AGREE w/the FDA [coff coff]
DID "she" SAY THAT? :chucks: 
THANKS MY FRIEND


I used kratom daily while on paper for pain and quit the kratom no problems. I mostly smoke pot.
Now if I used kratom I would feel it and get a migraine after it wore off. Coffee does the same thing. Oh and we live in a culture of overdoing it. And good kraton only took a knife tip to feel effects to the uninitiated.
Fuck the FDA they are in bed with the opiate manufacturers. The same FDA that approved Roundup.

Keep hearing about kratom death s. And all them idiots was on other drugs.
Mitragynine is more structuraly similar to caffeine. Not heroin or morphine.

Free the leaf.!
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