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#1 azure7

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 07:53 AM

First grow in awhile, CN-mexicana. Original prints harvested within 100 yards of Maria Sabina's former home in Huautla de Jiemenz. Grown on 3:2:1 rye grass seed, rye grain and oat groats, supplemented with rye bran. Cased with peat moss, 5% sand, CaCO3. Fruited under 453nm blue LED.

 

Not as robust as results from the original wild spore, but solid. I'm going to try cloning.

 

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 09:34 AM

Very nice!
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Posted 30 November 2017 - 10:30 AM

thanks!


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 11:07 AM

As ever Mr Azure you continue to be a mycological inspiration...great job!! :)


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 11:14 AM

thanks samwise! all our love, brother!


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 01:42 PM

Beautiful, I see you got some with the more cone like caps similar in shape to liberty caps.
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Posted 30 November 2017 - 02:37 PM

Perhaps those who know can educate me, a Chicon Nindo or a Jalisco or other similar regional mushroom are all simply locally adapted variants of a Mexicanna? Just like all the different Cubensis. Has there been any published DNA work showing what is related to what and which are separate and unique? Perhaps John Allen would know? Thanks for any info on this.


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 03:14 PM

Perhaps those who know can educate me, a Chicon Nindo or a Jalisco or other similar regional mushroom are all simply locally adapted variants of a Mexicanna? Just like all the different Cubensis. Has there been any published DNA work showing what is related to what and which are separate and unique? Perhaps John Allen would know? Thanks for any info on this.

 

So far as I know, there hasn't been any DNA work done on mexicana. But yes, they're all regionally adapted forms of mexicana. My guess, there is probably more genetic variation within any given region than between the different regions. The guy doing much of the genetic mapping is Alan Rockefeller out in Oakland.


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 03:27 PM

Ready for harvest, and printing - nature is good ... I'm not sure how to deal with them toppling over. In the past, the type of light has made a difference.

 

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 05:56 PM

Thanks for sharing this Azure. If I may, what was the substrate depth, and what were the dimensions of the tray used?
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Posted 30 November 2017 - 07:30 PM

I am curious or confused I guess. Azure7 or anyone else that can answer. There seems to be a strain labeled Ps. Zapotecorum (Chico Nindro) thought to originated from within a 100 yards of Maria Sabina’s home. I am assuming what I am growing labeled as such came from the same unnamed source. Then there is this thread with identical looking fruibodies and similar growth parameters, labeled as Mexicana. What is the difference between the CNZ and CNM? But I suppose If no DNA work has been done the we really don’t know do we, other that what we label it as.
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Posted 30 November 2017 - 07:32 PM

beautiful  :thumbs_up:


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 08:11 PM

Mikey brings up a good point. I'd like to see any papers on DNA tests posted or answered. Lighting sure makes a difference with the Mexicanas. I learned that here at Mycotopia and though posted by those who grew years ago. I really paid attention to it from your threads Azure, thanks for that. I got some Jalisco that should be fruiting in this coming week I hope they look as good as your Mexicana grows.


I wonder if the progeny from the coned capped ones will give rise to more with the cone caps?

An awesome grow.
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Posted 01 December 2017 - 04:45 AM

Hey Azure,

 

I'm just curious, when you lay out your Mexicana spawn to fruit, following casing, what kind of daily regime do you have up to pinning, and then during fruiting itself? Are you just misting during this time (and does your rate of misting change when the mushrooms start flushing?). I know we are appreciators of the automated FC approach but I'd be interested to know about anything else you do during the fruiting stage to keep your mushroom happy and ensure healthy flushes.



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Posted 01 December 2017 - 08:58 AM

Mikey - I harvested both the original CNM and CNZ spores from within 20 yards of each other. Both were growing on the eastern side of the mountain the Mazatec call the 'chicon nindo,' the mexicana was growing along an open ridge amidst stands of wild grass, and the CNZ was growing on the side of a trail amidst a coniferous forest. But they're both more or less harvested from the exact same area. 

 

Moropholocially, they're completely different mushrooms. The CNM is dainty, small, like a mexcana; the CNZ is a thicker mushroom. For the record, the Zapo is strong as hell ... probably the strongest mushroom I've ever eaten. 1gram laid me out flat.

 

I am curious or confused I guess. Azure7 or anyone else that can answer. There seems to be a strain labeled Ps. Zapotecorum (Chico Nindro) thought to originated from within a 100 yards of Maria Sabina’s home. I am assuming what I am growing labeled as such came from the same unnamed source. Then there is this thread with identical looking fruibodies and similar growth parameters, labeled as Mexicana. What is the difference between the CNZ and CNM? But I suppose If no DNA work has been done the we really don’t know do we, other that what we label it as.


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Posted 01 December 2017 - 09:23 AM

I could probably pull up a map to show exactly where I harvested each of the two original mushroom specimens that I took spores from. They were more or less growing on the exact same trail, except the mexicana was growing on an exposed ledge amidst grass, and the zapo was tucked into bits of moss along a trail set in a conifer forest. They're definitely two, very different species.


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Posted 01 December 2017 - 09:39 AM

Thanks for sharing this Azure. If I may, what was the substrate depth, and what were the dimensions of the tray used?

 

The trays are like 5 by 9 inches or so ... and the substrate depth is maybe 2.5inches ... something like that ... 


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Posted 01 December 2017 - 09:42 AM

Hey Azure,

 

I'm just curious, when you lay out your Mexicana spawn to fruit, following casing, what kind of daily regime do you have up to pinning, and then during fruiting itself? Are you just misting during this time (and does your rate of misting change when the mushrooms start flushing?). I know we are appreciators of the automated FC approach but I'd be interested to know about anything else you do during the fruiting stage to keep your mushroom happy and ensure healthy flushes.

 

I have transparent bins, lined with 2-3 inches of moistened perlite. I leave a 1-1.5 inch layer of water at the base of the perlite and string a airstone on a pump submerged under the water layer. That way I can actually leave the fruiting chamber alone for a couple days, as I did this Thanksgiving when we were visiting family (though I had a friend/member of mycotopia check in on them). I fan and spray twice daily. Once they start fruiting, I spray them several times a day as they just soak up the water.


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Posted 01 December 2017 - 09:56 AM

Good stuff, thank you. :smile:



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Posted 01 December 2017 - 10:12 AM

I could probably pull up a map to show exactly where I harvested each of the two original mushroom specimens that I took spores from. They were more or less growing on the exact same trail, except the mexicana was growing on an exposed ledge amidst grass, and the zapo was tucked into bits of moss along a trail set in a conifer forest. They're definitely two, very different species.

A map would be so awesome! I like the idea of preserving and documenting as much of the history of these cultivar. Thank you so much for sharing! Between you and Elfstone we have some the best threads with information on CNZ and CNM. Another one for the Vaults here.
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