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#1 Sidestreet

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 10:15 AM

So I was reading up on mushroom tea and came across a really promising honey tek from about ten years ago.  People were talking about TVCasualty's honey tek, which is awesome but sure doesn't look like honey.  Then Golly experimented a little bit and came up with a method that has a ton of potential.

 

https://mycotopia.ne...ealthier-honey/

 

I'll just copy Golly's posts here along with his pictures.

 

 

 

I wonder if you could just chop the dry shrooms and extract directly into boiling hot honey.
Then filter while the honey is still hot and very fluid, thru a coarse mesh..
The result may contain some small particles but the acidity of the honey could really aid in the extraction mebbe...
I figure your going to lose 25% potency in the everclear extraction alone, so going direct to the honey pot could save time, money and efficiency...
Any one tried this..??
I have some old stash i could test...

 

 

Ok, here's the result from a 40min honey extraction as described above..
A few particles passed thru ,,,but 22g in 5 oz honey, so 4g per oz would be the extreme maximum efficiency..
I think, having done this ,that realistically 50% is more likely but it's quick n' dirty...
I'll try some tmrw..

 

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Yeah, you def have to keep an eye on heating the honey as it will bubble up in no time..
There is a minor problem with getting the honey to drain off the mush completely,even when hot..
I poured a little hot water over the remains and drained into a seperate jar..This jar won't keep though, unless frozen...
Ideally if the mush was extracted into acidified water then evap'd down to a wet sludge fast enough - then that would be the least expensive method of mixing into a honey jar.

Water based teas are the best for the rapid and efficient seperation of goods..If it could be reduced with minimal loss before stirring into the honey - might have something..

Going to try a spoonful from that jar ,we'll see what's up...

 

 

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this extraction is underway for a Saturday night taste treat [hopefully]....

1st pic; 20g of P. Ovoids ,ground and added to 500ml water + tsp vitamin C powder
for acidity...This simmers for 20mins..

2nd pic; Tea is filtered thru a microfine coffee filter and the mush squeezed for max extract...
brb..:smokin:

 

 

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Okay..Here's the tea extract boiling down in the frypan for rapid evap'n..
The honey had just been added and the heat lowered..
As the tea was reducing , it also gave off a sweet honey like scent..
This reduction back to the original consistancy of the honey took 30mins, so total heating time was 50mins..
The flexible rubber spatula is really helpfull with all the stirring involved...

2nd pic; Quarterpint jar filled with about 70ml of electric honey :loveeyes:

 

 

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It did produce a clearer honey [particulate wise] but as the tea was reducing
there was some coagulation forming ..Overall though - i like the looks of it..

So we have 70ml containing a 20 dry gram Ovoid extract equal to 40 grams o' Cubes...
Or a jar full of heat decimated bunk...hmmm..

Only one way to find out , i reckon....:reb:

1 tbsp has the max potential of 1.5g ovoids or 3g Cube equiv...

 

 

 

:headbang: you guys were right..!
This is a very potent extract..There apparently is very little loss of psilly with the extra cook down time..I guess around 80-90% efficiency in the transfer from the dry boomers..

The remaining hurdle is the test of time ..There are no sighns of any bluing in either jar so that's encouraging..
If this stuff holds up ,i'll post the complete "Honeyjell" Tek . This is really an outstanding method of ingestion imo..U could not tell by the scent that this contains
any type of mushroom -smells and tastes like Orange honey for some reason..
I'll try to post a pic of it's jelly-like consistancy ,tmrw..

I won't have any Cubes to try this Tek with for a while but i hope u guys will ,cause it's totally f#*kin awsome..lol....

 

 

Here's a pic of the jell-like consistancy ..It does self level with time though..

 

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I ground mine in a blender but not so fine that it would be tough to filter..
Citric acid should work fine ..I used ascorbic - ph 3.5 in the tea..
Simmer 20mins..
The reduction of the tea goes till it begins to thicken like a thin syrup ..That's when u add
a pre-measured amount of hot honey..
The reason for warming the honey is so you will know what it's consistancy is like while it's hot - so you will know how thick it's spos'd to look when cooking down...

I put the measured Honey in a halpint jar and set it in a pot of hot water...It also pours alot easier when it's hot..
1 ounce of shroomage should easily fit in a half pint , even better, a quarter pint for excellent flavour and potency...
The key to this process is near constant stirring thru the reduction, with a rubber spatula..
Begin with medium heat and gradually lower as things thicken up...
It's well worth the time..can't wait to make my next batch...

 

 

Does anyone know if there was ever follow up on this?  I will be able to give it a try early in the new year but if anyone wants to give it a shot before then...  :biggrin:

 

Also, with the water content is botulism a concern at all?

 


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 12:45 PM

Ah, here we go.  Apparently Golly didn't stop there: https://mycotopia.ne...ney-extract-20/

 

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I've really been enjoying my Mushroom honey extract over the past few months and it's hard to imagine actually eating them any more..

Anyway in the interest of twisted perfection ,i've been dreaming of ways to improve the method and of course the end result..

I bought this $60 vacuum filter which will suck the mushroom tea through a very fine filter..The tea is then cooked/evap'd down to a syrupy essence and mixed with honey for storage..

The big idea here is that if the tea is very finely filtered b4 reducing, it should produce a much finer essence with better flavour..

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Thnx for the comments...:)
The new filtration method made a huge difference in flavor ,with no muddy after taste..
My mistake was putting it in the narrow necked bottle , as it's too thick to pour when cold..
The little bit i did scoop out was very potent and very clean in effect..

MD - yes you can use a paper coffee filter but when you simmer the shrooms, they should be larger chunks rather than powdered or the filter will clog...
In fact , no matter what filtering method used ,powdered shrooms will be problematic.

Using a fine cloth allows you to twist out every last drop ,where-as paper will rupture.
Using both methods is proly best for end quality...

Other tips...
Use a heavy frypan to reduce down [even heat with large surface evap area]...

A flex rubber spatula is the best for constant stirring as it begins to thicken..

Use medium heat at first, when it's mostly water ..Reduce heat as it begins to thicken.

I always use ascorbic acid crystals to help extract and preserve [1tsp per 25g]
Never tried this with just plain water + always use distilled for any reduction process.

 

 

This latest batch of honey extract was sucked into a syringe for accurate dosing + prevents air from oxidizing the psilly..
Syringe has a mini twist on cap for sealing..

Pretty convenient to squirt a measured dose in tea or juice..:greenboun

Last night a 3cc dose provided a good buzzzzz..

 

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Process takes 1hr..
crush but not powder mush..

use 1 cup distilled water + 1 tspn ascorbic acid per 15g mush..

simmer 25 mins.

strain thru finest cloth and twist squeeze...Add a bit more water to pulp and twist squeeze again..

pour in large heavy frypan and avap down on moderate flame..stir constantly with
rubber spatula..

As it begins to thicken reduce heat but stir more..

It will reach the viscosity of maple syrup, at which point add honey [50-100% of mush
syrup volume]

Cook a few more mins then pour in storage container while hot and refridgerate..

Enjoy...

 

 

20-100g at a time but u need a 12in fry pan for reducing larger amounts..

When reducing , the liquid gives a sweet scent and the color darkens a bit ..There may be some carmelizing [kinda hard to tell]..
You can start with more water per gram [i guestimated] ..

The only potential problem, is overcooking the syrup as it can heat to 300+ F but i haven't had any runs that impacted potency yet..

Preparing to do a 75g run now but this one will also contain a concentrated essence of kratom..They combine really well..


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 01:16 PM

Ahhhhh, here it is: the full writeup: https://mycotopia.ne...k-for-cubensis/

 

Can't wait to play around with this!

 

My thought is, if the tek results in a jelly-like honey, why reduce the tea as much as he does?  I know he's trying to get it into a smaller volume, but I might prefer a more honey-like consistency.  For me, it would ideally look, smell, and act exactly like honey until it's eaten.  Not only that, but it means less time spent applying heat to the good stuff.


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 01:18 PM

Wow, thank you so much for posting this Sidestreet , I will be doing this this week.
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Posted 17 December 2017 - 01:20 PM

Sweet, let us know how it goes.


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 05:18 PM

Very interesting reading thanks
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Posted 20 December 2017 - 12:15 AM

Do you find the honey varies much with different mushrooms? Once the psilocybin is extracted is it all fairly similar? Could you have a psilocin honey?

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 06:07 AM

It makes sense to use potent woodlovers to make honey if you can get your hands on them.  After all this time, I still haven't made the leap...partially because I've spent so much time in apartments.  Anyway, psilocybin is psilocybin, though the different balances of other chemicals in a given species can definitely color the experience.

 

As for psilocin, the way to do that would be to preserve fresh mushrooms.  As delicate as psilocin is, even a method for preserving freshies is no guarantee.  There has been some discussion of storing freshies in honey:

 

Hippie3:

 

i'm told the best way
is to stuff a jar with intact whole freshies
then pour in warm honey to cover.
leave at room temp several weeks
and pour off the water that rises to surface.
once no more water comes up,
it's ready to go in the fridge,
max. potency preserved.
the honey is magic,
and you can pull out a 'candied' freshie
if desired.

https://mycotopia.ne...863-blue-honey/

 

...and there are a few other old timers in that thread whose opinions I trust and who say it works.  I just haven't seen any real discussion about it since then.  I'll have a chance to try it out soon.  It will just take a long time to tell if it really works for long-term storage.  That and they're saying that it takes a long time for all of the water to rise to the top of the honey, like a couple months.


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Posted 20 December 2017 - 05:04 PM

Brilliant, I recently read in The Psychedelic Renaissance book that the honey storage goes back to ancient times, there was also a theory that this lead on to drinking Mead once the supply of mushrooms faded. Thought I'd share if you hadn't heard that. Is the honey a means to infinitive storage in your opinion?
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Posted 20 December 2017 - 06:11 PM

I mean, nothing lasts forever.  It's kind of a question mark.  I think it's known that dried mushrooms in honey will last a long time, maybe years.  Fresh mushrooms are another story.  If we found out that fresh mushrooms keep well and stay potent in honey for a year, I think we'd all be pretty happy about it!  Maybe the biggest problem is that they all get eaten before then.



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Posted 21 December 2017 - 05:21 PM

Haha tastes good I guess! I saw a post about an extract being stored in hemp oil that didn't freeze and whether this would not degrade... I know people to have had dried shrooms with an effect after several years of sitting in a cupboard

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 05:36 PM

Hyphaenation and Riseabovethethought has some threads featuring work with honey. Whole Ps. cyans preserved in honey if I remember correctly. Let me see if I can dig it up and link here.

https://mycotopia.ne...398-blue-honey/

https://mycotopia.ne...-magical-honey/

More reading cuz I got lost in the Honey Rabbit Hole. Funny, Golly is just talking about trying this here.
https://mycotopia.ne...fungi-in-honey/

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 05:50 PM

Sounds great intriguing!

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 07:47 PM

Hyphaenation and Riseabovethethought has some threads featuring work with honey. Whole Ps. cyans preserved in honey if I remember correctly. Let me see if I can dig it up and link here.

https://mycotopia.ne...398-blue-honey/

https://mycotopia.ne...-magical-honey/

More reading cuz I got lost in the Honey Rabbit Hole. Funny, Golly is just talking about trying this here.
https://mycotopia.ne...fungi-in-honey/

 

 

:drool:  It's cool to see the progression from initial honey talks to TV's honey to Golly's honey. 

 

Hyph's was really interesting, it was fresh cyans in hemp seed oil in the freezer.  Apparently the hemp seed oil doesn't freeze, and the fruits stay looking beautiful for a long while.  Sounds like a winner to me...

 

Right here: https://mycotopia.ne...oney/?p=1309514


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