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[Microbe]

Hello friends from around the world. Im looking for Psilocybe germanica spores. Does anyone have any or know of a vendor that might sell them? I have checked several vendors with no luck so far.

[mjshroomer]

Here by Jochen Gartz from my library is a photograph of Psilocybe cyanescens side by side with Psilocybe germanica.   

 

Sorry about the small size. I need to scan the photo at 300 DPI and then I can post a larger image.   

 

  

 

mjshroomer/man of knowledge

[Microbe]

Here by Jochen Gartz from my library is a photograph of Psilocybe cyanescens side by side with Psilocybe germanica.

Sorry about the small size. I need to scan the photo at 300 DPI and then I can post a larger image.

Psilocybecyanescens-Psilocybegermanica-1.jpg

mjshroomer/man of knowledge

Do you have any spores available? I will pay for them or make a donation to topia for them.

[mjshroomer]

Sorry there, I only have the published paper and photo right now. Not sure if Gartz has any spores since he retired in Germany.  It is a cold weather species is probably hard to grow.

 

John

[Microbe]

Sorry there, I only have the published paper and photo right now. Not sure if Gartz has any spores since he retired in Germany. It is a cold weather species is probably hard to grow.

John

Thought I would ask......i dont mind 'hard' to grow......the mushrooms talk to me and tell me exactly what and when.

[myancyan]

There is no such species as Germanica. This species is actually, P. Serbica. The dna match was made by A. Rockefeller.

[Microbe]

There is no such species as Germanica. This species is actually, P. Serbica. The dna match was made by A. Rockefeller.

https://www.research...germanica_spnov

So P germanica was discovered in Germany while P sebrica was discovered in the Czech Republic so im thinking you may be right considering how they are neighbors.

Is it conclusive and fact that they are the same species?


I have P serbica already so if they are in fact the same......then i guess im humting for snipes!

Very aggressive species!

Edited by Microbe, 03 May 2018 - 04:55 PM.

[Arathu]

Run that shit!

 

A

[RamenShaman]

Run that shit!
 
A

Please :)

[Microbe]

Run that shit!

A

It is a monster if i ever seen one. Im hoping to fruiting this fall. Have a few more ptojects to finish up including putting up a privacy fence but i will release it very soon.

[Arathu]

Oh my I can't wait for that..........the sheepheads will pop before we know what happened..........we should explore the woods......

 

A

[outoforder]

Very nice! I would like to see a grow of these!

They have also been found in austria. There are also P. serbica - f. sternberkiana (a big spored form) and p. serbica - var. arcana (without pleurocystides)

By the way - Psilocybe serbica and Psilocybe cyanescens are both called in german " Blaugrünfleckender Kahlkopf".

 

Best greetings!

                        Outoforder

[Cuboid]

Blue green staining Baldhead?

[mjshroomer]

Again Gartz had produced faulty taxonomy. P. germanica is actually P. serbica.  My information came from Jan Borovicka.  Gartz had also previously published a paper on 7 species he said were psilocybian and a year later Tjakko Stijve of Nestles studied the same herbarium specimens that gartz had studied and found that those were not active species.  later Gartz did chemical analusis for Stamets on P. weilii and helped in the taxonomy of the species.  And I posted here and at Spirit Plants a pictorial showing that the species was P. caerulescens and everyone laughed at me about that. Then Guzman informed me that P. weilii was Psilocybe caerulescens.

 

Gartz had produced bad chemical analyysis and in much of Europe he is considered to be a fraud.  I personally regret working with him because he contributed very littled to several of my papers, and he was selling my photos in Europe as postcards, and a calendar he made for Alan Shoemaker with three of my photos and no credit. He even had Paul Stamets listed as an editor of the calendar and when I asked Paul about it he said he knew nothing until he got a copy in the mail..

 

later he took research he and I conducted on Psilocybe astoriensis (not named at that time in the mid 1980s, and went behind my back to visit Paul at his home in Shelton, and then he wrote with Paul, Psilocybe azurescens.  In April of 1994,unbeknownst to me, I again invited him to lecture with me at the Chapman University Gathering of the Minds convention and he sat between me and Jonathan Ott at lunch and did not mention that he and Paul had written a paper based on much of my research with Gartz on P. azurescens which was in press as he sat next to me.

 

I have letters from him of our work together.  IT was Sasha Shulgin who introduced Gartz to me and introduced me to Gartz.  Those letters were published in Vol. VIII of my journal which was in the arrticle, Sex, Mushrooms, and Rock and Roll.  A short biography of me.  Gartz also changed cover images of our two books which he was selling in Europe and Germany. That made me mad because I paid an American Indian to create an authenic Indian painting for the covr of a work that Gartz only contributed 8 pages of his references of which I already had in the books original manuscript.l

 

He has a bad history but Jan Borovicka in a personal communication with me informed me that in Europe, Gartz is considered "a fraud."  

 

I might one day post here the Spirit Plants text and P. weilii photos I had and those of P. caerulescens.  

 

I, being computer stupid, can never find anything I posted from the past due to this sites breakdowns and crashes when I had to constantly rechange my user name.  Over the years I had mjshroomer on most sites. 

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Then one day, a site crashes and when it comes back on, it would not recognize the old user names.  So at various sites I became, Boomer, Boomer1, and Boomer2.  I also had the names of mycospora, someone of no importance, man of knowledge, shroomius gloriosus (that name came from the name of a Roman Centurion in the film, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum, Millus Gloriosus).  And several other names that at this moment I cannot recall.

 

Anyway, to all my friends here. Stay safe from the horrible Virus.

 

mjshroomer / man of knowledge. 

[Solipsis]

Fascinating :)

Interestingly, I was unable to get monokaryons of caerulescens and weilii to mate, despite trying a handful. I know mating compatibility doesn't necessarily say much about the taxonomy, but I was just surprised at this result when Alan said that weilii should not be even considered a variety of caerulescens.

Maybe it's me but so far it has seemed to me like many Psilocybes are incredibly intolerant when it comes to mating compatibility, there are other examples apparently of different varieties being incompatible like I for example also conclude about sclerotia producers, at least the main well-known ones. There are barely 2 species distinguished, galindoi is now not its own species anymore... whether you call it another variety of iirc tampanensis, or another population or strain, it could not be crossed in experiments done by others here in the Netherlands.  

  

Whether you blame Gartz or certain other mycologists from back in the day from not recognizing polymorphism, describing new species that really are not that new at all esp by today's standards... there does seem to be a trend towards revealing conspecificities, not sure if you would agree but that is my observation.
It is disappointing at least in the sense that not only are a lot of hybrids apparently not possible (or rather, being incredibly unlikely), even intervarietal crosses are apparently rather limited.

Once again, things are not as they seem xD

 

edit: Also, I am reminded that there are other names as well that are considered conspecific with P. serbica like bohemica. Pretty remarkable but I also read about something like serbica having been confused before with cyanescens, however i would need to find more about putting that in context.

Something that I hope Gartz can be trusted on is information about feeding myc exotic tryptamines or indoles in order to 4-hydroxylate and 4-phosphoroxylate them, just cause it is pretty fascinating stuff... but if that was really about the base tryptamines, come to think of it, that is a little surprising given the biosynthesis pathway, tho still plausible.

Edited by Solipsis, 06 June 2021 - 09:29 AM.