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[Cryptowonder90]

I appreciate that Somniferos. I thought that as well. It would be a pretty good balance and I must say that they are absolutely loving it. I got some pictures finally of their updated growth. Since the last pictures I have given them two more feedings of light compost tea. They have responded significantly to the space. I am still on 12/12 cycle and they are still in veg. I want them to get as big as possible before bolting. 

 

In one of these pics you can see the tray that still has some more seedlings in it lol. I know I am torturing those things by keeping them in there. The leaves of most of them are turning yellow and I know its because their roots are bound up. Anyways, heres the progress. 

 

 

The picture of the little one is the one of the ones I planted outside after germinating and vegging alittle indoors. It doesn't like the heat. The ones I left inside that germinated with that batch is double the size. 

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[Cryptowonder90]

Hello all. Yesterday was the last day of veg for the babies. Im actually very surprised that they lasted that long in veg without bolting. It would seem that you can keep them in their veg cycle by keeping the lights on 12/12. Comes in handy if they were stunted for some reason, you can let them bounce back a little. 

 

That being said, today I switched the lights over to 18/6 for pod development. Cant wait to see these beauties flower. The have filled out quite nicely in their pots. Some are a little smaller than other due to timing of when I planted them and also having to shallow of a pot for the majority of their veg. Next round they will go directly into the big pots and veg in their final destination.

 

I will post some pictures very soon.                                                                        

[Skywatcher]

I am enjoying this grow thread very much Crypto. I have not had much to say because I have virtually no experience growing poppies indoors. I have grown a lot, but all in outdoor sunlight. 

Phaton was able to accomplish things with his indoor poppy grow that were lightyears beyond my previous pre-conceptions of what could be done with lighting and indoor control. I am actually hoping you have some success you are happy with, as there have been few people here that did well with poppies indoors.

 

So rock on.............

I just wanted to cheer you on.

[Cryptowonder90]

I heard that brother man. This is a new experience for me as well. I have grown outdoors with no problem at all. However, when I came across these Afghan special seeds that are supposed to be completed in 60 days, I simply had to try it lol. 

 

 

You could get a potential 6 harvests a year. I think you would need to start the seeds in their final pots. I know mine were stunted a little bit but that didn't matter to much. I just left the lights on 12/12 for longer than you typically would, and they continued to veg. I know they are smaller than what they would have been. All are over 12" inches in diameter. Most are bigger than that. I know for the few days they have been on 18/6, they have loved it lol. Much more growth. So I figure they will continue to get bigger even with the light cycle switch. [

 

I do have some questions for anyone who would like to answer lol. The bottommost leaves on about 4 plants seem to be turning yellow and the very tip of the leaves is crunchy. Is that just the normal process of dropping leaves? I will take pictures today and post them. I have today off work.  :woot woot: 

 

Skywatcher, I appreciate you sincerely and your advice. Yes phaeton is the reason that I even started this lol. I would love to talk to him and get some advice. there is a post where he shows his setup and there is a shit load of pods. However, you can't see the ground so I'm wondering how many plants he had growing in his light circle to get that many pods. It never said in the post lol. He mad references like, "The plant pictured here has 75 ripe...."  Its hard to fathom a single poppy putting out 75 pods lol. I figured he had a few.  

[Skywatcher]

The very bottom leaves do naturally yellow and die off on any plants I have grown.

I remember phaeton having a limited number of plants, maybe 10 max, and yes, he was able to get huge volume of pods per plant, which I suspect had as much to do with the feeding of bloom nutes, and was accentuated by his lighting complement to induce flower.

 

Take notes on what you do and add. (like you have not been doing just that all the way along)

[pharmer]

will you be allowing these to dry in place to collect more seed?

Edited by pharmer, 12 July 2018 - 09:19 AM.

[Cryptowonder90]

so he was getting like 75 pods off of one plant? wow. Just wow. and what do you mean about his lights? Do you mean he just switched the cycle over to 18/6?

 

and yes I will be letting them dry in place to collect seeds. I have a MH400watt light and HPS I'm adding to the lighting for the flowering process. They are just now beginning to stand up a little. 

[Skywatcher]

so he was getting like 75 pods off of one plant? wow. Just wow. and what do you mean about his lights? Do you mean he just switched the cycle over to 18/6?

I had to search out the threads he did on poppies because my recollection is spotty...............(cough, cough)

This is what I could find for clarification on the type of lighting, timing, etc. Its alot to go through, but I thought you would be better able to extract the info you are seeking, and add tat to your consideration with this grow, so the links are here:

 

https://mycotopia.ne...s/#entry1097671

 

https://mycotopia.ne...s/#entry1093067

 

https://mycotopia.ne...ot/#entry990535

 

You seem to be doing well, so this is not meant as anything but additional info you will find of interest.

[Cryptowonder90]

thank you my friend, sincerely. Im not sure if they are supposed to look like this...they never quite looked like this outside. the bottom most leaves are yellowing and getting crunchy until it eventually dies off. 

 

when they started to bolt especially, the leaves turned a little yellow when outdoors. but indoors, they have lost quite a few leaves in the last week. The center newer growth is fine, nice and green. But them bottom leaves are worrying me. Its not even on all the plants, just about half. I will post pictures and see if anyone can diagnose it as that blight that I read about for indoor grows. 

 

Im just hoping everything goes fine with them.

[pharmer]

is the yellowing happening just after the petals drop?

 

that's the natural habit in my outdoor grows

[Cryptowonder90]

They had been doing great until about a week ago

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[Cryptowonder90]

Mine as well. Just never grown indoors and wondering if this is normal lol

[Skywatcher]

What are your high temperature readings like lately? What about your humidity? Has either changed since the lower leaves started to crisp?

I have seen my puppy's loose bottom leaves steadily once they shift into flowering phase, but these pictures show no flower production yet so I am wondering if your light is running hot, as the leaves appear to mostly have browned off on the outer areas, and not close to the interior shaded area?

Otherwise, the upper leaves look healthy.

[pharmer]

burnt, curled tips sometimes signal too much nitrogen

[Cryptowonder90]

Unfortunately no. The only variable that has changed was the light cycle to 18/6. I have kept the lights within 1.5" to 2" from the tops of the plants the whole life cycle with no problems at all. All a vibrant green color as you can see from the earlier pictures. 

 

Pharmer makes a good point however. I have given them 3 rounds of a compost tea mad from composted cow manure. I think its possible that I may have over did it. When I water tomorrow I will flush them a little until a decent amount of water comes out the bottom. 

 

I read in SheepHerders ten that he did that there was a blight/fungus or something thereof that presents itself on indoor grows. He says it starts with the purpling of the leaf tips. However, I do not see any purple leaf tips. Only black and thats after the leaf has pretty much died off. You can zoom in on the pictures and see on some of the leaves, the very tips of the jagged edges on the leaves are a dark blackish color, but the whole leaf is in good health..doesnt look like there is a problem. Is this the purpling he is talking about? 

 

Wouldn't all the leaves be affected if the plant was getting to much nitrogen? Maybe I started the light cycle to late in its life cycle? These are supposed to be 2 month seeds, and they have been alive and growing since April. so maybe that has something to do with it?

 

I just want everything to be ok with them. Either way it has been a learning experience, and the next round will be perfect. The amount of room I have currently will double with more light,, and theoretically can produce upwards of 300-400 pods every 2 months.

 

I appreciate all your guys input. It helps out significantly. Its like a massive online think tank. haha. 

[pharmer]

I'm not Harvard trained. Only a reader of things that interest me at the moment

 

The nitrogen thing came around from research on hydroponics when that was my hobby - for one season   :)

[Cryptowonder90]

Here's another update. This was right after I flushed them. Not to heavy of a flush, but I want to rule out nitrogen. This is also a log I can look back into for the next batch.

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[Cryptowonder90]

Hello guys. They are still pushing on. the lower leaves are still diving back a little but the new growth at the center is healthy as ever. 

 

I have taken the time to go over a lot of information on the web, most of which has came from here. There is really not a lot of information out there about this predicament. There is places that touch on some of the problems associated with common diseases and fungal contamination, but nothing directly relating to what I have going on here. 

 

The only information even close is SheepHerder's post when he talks about a "blight/fungus" that effects the center growth and can even result in aborted pods. Well the center is fine on these, and the tips really aren't purple as they are black. I will take a picture when I can and post them. I will take a close up of the tips. 

 

Its not the tips as win the very end of the leaf, but as in the nooks and notches on the leaf have their own individual tips...its a tiny little tip and its black. Also,, not ever plant is like that. I transplanted in three groups. Only the first and half of the second group have this problem. 

 

I know the plant will begin to grow taller and form a stem like structure, so maybe these leaves are just dying off due to that reason?? I have no idea. I like a challenge; I like not being able to know what is going on. Just when I think I have it figured out, bam...something else lol. 

 

Anyways guys I appreciate all of you. Thank you for the warm welcome to the forum.... I look forward to posting positive results back on here in a month of so. 

[Cryptowonder90]

So here we are. The babies are flowering. After more investigation, I came to the conclusion that it was N toxicity. Maybe it's not 100% N tox, but it definitely played a role. I flushed them and a few days later they started to bolt.

These should have already been done, but this was my first grow indoors and needed to work a few kinks out. I think I should have switched the light cycle sooner but I needed them to veg a while longer to beef up more.

That led to N tox and etc. Along with the other issues I had in the beginning using a shallow pan as a shedding tray. They were in that too long and it stunted their growth. I haven't fed them anymore since the last compost tea. Not even for flowering. Afraid it would burn them.

First batch is always the skimpyiest. I know now what issues exist and what to do with the process for the next time. I will be adding a MH HID lamp for the next batch in the flowering process.

Regardless, I feel that this was a AWESOME learning experience. And knowing what I do now, you can totally pull off a grow and harvest every two months with a sizeable crop. I'm using a 1/3 of a 18x7 room in the basement. It's perfect. Next round I'm slamming the whole room full.

Adding 2 HID lamps to the room. It stays at 71degrees F so that's ok. Don't know what the issue was, but the plants seem very healthy now. Bigges issue, over fertilization. Not to self lol. Not big feeders at all.

All in all, awesome. My power bill only went up 6 bucks a month. Sooo, it's worth it lol.

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Another quick update. I have since checked the stems of the plant and all of them have multinodal flowering going on. The biggest three have 9 flower sites on them already. Down the stem. Although small now with no pods, they will grow. The biggest three have 4 actual pods on them already. It's going better than I thought.