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#421 Nicked

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Posted 24 November 2020 - 02:47 PM

So I am curious...... What are you all using grain wise for stone production ?

OR Whats your FAV grain for stones. Oats , wheat , popcorn , grass seed .or ? what;'s your go to grain and WHY ?

Thanks for your Time and info .......!

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I have very little stone growing experience... Have a bunch of bags of Tamps going at the moment (my first successful attempt of 3). They're on rye.. From the small amount I've read, it was suggested that rye is one of the better grains for stones.
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Posted 24 November 2020 - 04:27 PM

Rye worked great for me.

Slowly cooked in 50/50 Water/Coffee + gyp.

The very slow cooking made a good difference for me = more water into the rye berries before they start busting, compared to higher heat simmering.

 

Water is major limiting factor for stone yields.

 

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From different amounts of spawn in very small bags, from ~0,8qt - 1,4qt of rye

 

I had issues fruiting them, none produced more than a few fruits that didn't fully mature, later decided to harvest the bags and then bulk in straw/coir and case in monotubs and trays to let them produce a second run of stones

 

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The bulk harvests were not bad

 

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Together from the two trays

 

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No soak, no simmer Millet/coffee grounds

 

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looks promising but what you see is actually all that grew there, just very thin sclerotia chips at the glass, nothing inside.

 

Yesterday I bulked a Atlantis Millet jar that was sitting since 20. june and it had very few stones, also just the outer layer.

 

My go to is Rye for sclerotia and Millet as spawn for fruiting


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Posted 24 November 2020 - 07:56 PM

I also used rye on my Tamp. var Galindoi shoebox, and netted 153g of stones out of it when I tore it apart after it finished fruiting. Only used coir in that box, so all the credit goes to the grain on that one.

 

I have another quart of Tamp var. Atl#7 that's packed with stones in the jar-- been sitting since July I think.


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Posted 25 November 2020 - 12:04 PM

Thanks  .. for info everyone ........a few years ago everyone was using popcorn or rye grass seed as aposed to rye berrys ...sor are you posters above refering to Rye berrys or rye grass seed .. just want to check

anyone elsgoing to cji,e in please do

 

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Posted 25 November 2020 - 12:26 PM

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#426 coAsTal

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Posted 26 November 2020 - 12:16 AM

....are you posters above refering to Rye berrys or rye grass seed .. just want to check

anyone elsgoing to cji,e in please do

 

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Rye berries here-- but I'll say for the record I really don't think that any one grain is really "better" or certainly not "best" for anything-- I've seen volumes of discussion over the years and after all of the written experience I've read, and the summary is:  it's the grain you work with best that is the grain that will work best for you.

 

Some people swear by one specific grain out there, but they are all-- each and every one-- capable of growing mushrooms consistently.

But some people just prefer the prep or sizes of certain ones over others. But it's a long-established fact that WBS, oats, barley, millet, rye berries, rye grass, corn, wheat, popcorn, brown rice, etc... they will all give you excellent results if used correctly!


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Posted 26 November 2020 - 11:01 AM

 

....are you posters above refering to Rye berrys or rye grass seed .. just want to check

anyone elsgoing to cji,e in please do

 

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Rye berries here-- but I'll say for the record I really don't think that any one grain is really "better" or certainly not "best" for anything-- I've seen volumes of discussion over the years and after all of the written experience I've read, and the summary is:  it's the grain you work with best that is the grain that will work best for you.

 

Some people swear by one specific grain out there, but they are all-- each and every one-- capable of growing mushrooms consistently.

But some people just prefer the prep or sizes of certain ones over others. But it's a long-established fact that WBS, oats, barley, millet, rye berries, rye grass, corn, wheat, popcorn, brown rice, etc... they will all give you excellent results if used correctly!

 

 

I agree if we talk about mushrooms but talking about sclerotia I've read alot of feedback from people say that RGS is the best - the commercial sclerotia production in the netherlands just use RGS even though its so expensive compared to any other grain.

 

RGS and Rye seem to be the top two ones for stones.

 

As spawn for the fruit production they will all produce fruits tho


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#428 Arathu

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Posted 26 November 2020 - 11:01 AM

 

....are you posters above refering to Rye berrys or rye grass seed .. just want to check

anyone elsgoing to cji,e in please do

 

BEZ

Rye berries here-- but I'll say for the record I really don't think that any one grain is really "better" or certainly not "best" for anything-- I've seen volumes of discussion over the years and after all of the written experience I've read, and the summary is:  it's the grain you work with best that is the grain that will work best for you.

 

Some people swear by one specific grain out there, but they are all-- each and every one-- capable of growing mushrooms consistently.

But some people just prefer the prep or sizes of certain ones over others. But it's a long-established fact that WBS, oats, barley, millet, rye berries, rye grass, corn, wheat, popcorn, brown rice, etc... they will all give you excellent results if used correctly!

 

I absolutely concur with this assessment......each grain type has it's own nuances and subtleties which certainly includes the preparations for use as mushroom spawn....

 

As do the fungi themselves....it is definitely worth keeping record and making lab notes (from spore germination to fruiting) for reference and review IMHO...

 

I do use rye berries almost exclusively and they work very well but other spawn substrates are also possible.....currently experimenting with woody stem plants mixed with grains....

 

Birdseed mixes work well too....like has been mentioned it comes down to learning HOW to use each.

 

Hydration techniques and avoiding packing/clumping (not mycelium binding grains together but grains smashed into each other) are key IME.....

 

Another very cool thread here...... the New Library at Alexandria..............

 

Stones!

 

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#429 el_ronhub_bird

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Posted 29 November 2020 - 10:08 AM

So I am curious...... What are you all using grain wise for stone production ?

OR Whats your FAV grain for stones. Oats , wheat , popcorn , grass seed .or ? what;'s your go to grain and WHY ?

Thanks for your Time and info .......!

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I did some on popcorn and that didn't turn out too great. Right now I've got some on rye hydrated with coffee that seem to be doing pretty good. I might break open one of the jars pretty soon, if/when I do I'll post some pics

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Posted 11 September 2021 - 09:57 PM

i ran across this stone growers  guide  "

A Comprehensive Sclerotia Cultivation Guide "

  again  ...

.i think it's posted here on mycotopia by the OP StoneSun  below is link to a  web page version  on the top left of page is link to open or download  a PDF version .

this guy  StoneSun had a 5 post series about growing other exotic mushrooms  called 

EASIER THAN CUBES    BUT i can't find it  on any web pages  or as links to PDFs ANY ONE  have links or  PDFs of the 5  EASIER THAN CUBES Series by StoneSun . i would like them like to put on a thumb drive or on old laptop

 

ok thanks BEZ

 

http://en.psilosophy...tion_guide.html


Edited by bezevo, 11 September 2021 - 10:06 PM.

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#431 fahtster

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Posted 14 September 2021 - 06:20 PM

Trying my hand at some tamps… got a sp$&@works syringe and went straight to a 4oz rye grain jar and then GLC’d that to 4 qts of rye.. qts are doing great.. recovering nicely after a shake
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I spawned the GLC grains to CV in a sandwich baggie on 9/10 and holy shit does tamp myc move fast.. already have little brown specks forming.. are these the start of stones after only 4days??
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Posted 15 September 2021 - 05:07 AM

 

this guy  StoneSun had a 5 post series about growing other exotic mushrooms  called 

EASIER THAN CUBES    BUT i can't find it  on any web pages  or as links to PDFs ANY ONE  have links or  PDFs of the 5  EASIER THAN CUBES Series by StoneSun .

 

Same title, same subject, but different author & different website

 

https://www.shroomer...Number/11140509

 

also a long thread here

 

https://www.shroomer...34/fpart/1/vc/1

 

on this website same author different title, first mostly pictures, but if you go thru the 3pages there are some details

 

Just As Easy As Cubes - Fruiting Psilocybe galindoi/ATL#7 In A Monotub
Started By stonesun, Jul 19 2011 09:25 AM
 

Edited by shiftingshadows, 15 September 2021 - 05:13 AM.

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#433 Oldpunk

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 09:03 AM

Fahtster this is making me want to start another round of jars. Been taking a break ( and planned to for a few months ) but the Tamps are one that I still haven't gotten a good crop out of. Got a jar of LC and some agar samples still. Might have to get a few started.

The myc starts turning that bark brown pretty early. When the stones start forming they almost look like yellow green snot.

So far I've dug out a few stones (haven't tested them yet) and only got about a dozen fruits from a tub that dried down to 1g

Now that my interest is piqued, I may get some started in the next few days.
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Posted 15 September 2021 - 09:51 AM

I've swiped gal spores a bunch. Made it to grain and even substrate. Green always wins. Bought RGS been meaning to get back at it. 


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Posted 16 September 2021 - 01:16 AM

My 4 tamp qts all @100%
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2 qts are going to a single bin so I can try and get some fruits w/stones (gonna treat them like cubes with a 1:2 ratio of CV… using one of my PE bins with extra 1/16” drilled FAE holes and plan on misting dailyish). Gonna use a 1/4” 60% verm/40% ph balanced peat casing

The other 2 are going to be spawned individually at the same CV ratio but to 2 gallon zips with needle holes in the top for fae… just gonna lay them flat on a shelf and forget about them (yeah right lol) ; solely for stone production.

So far they’re just as easy as cubes. I plan on cloning an inner stone tissue straight to grain. I’m excited to try another species… I’ve only ever eaten cubes

Faht
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#436 fahtster

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Posted 17 September 2021 - 01:05 AM

First tamp pins coming in on my glc grains cv baggie.. made the bag 6 days ago. Lovin the speed of these guys
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Posted 17 September 2021 - 09:45 AM

6 days ???

Dang. You got super fruits.
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Posted 18 September 2021 - 02:52 AM

Made the 16qt tamp tub and 2, 1 gallon ziplocks (all 1:2 CV).. the ziplocks got needle holes every 2 inches on the top.. gonna keep an eye on em and if they appear to be drying out, I’ll just put a small piece of tape over some of them but I think this this set up should work well based on how the baggie is doing. Excited to see how they turn out!
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Bonus baggie pics
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Got a nice sized stone forming
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Edited by fahtster, 18 September 2021 - 02:53 AM.

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