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#21 onediadem


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Posted 22 August 2018 - 02:01 PM

Ok lol, let me do the research for you.

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Posted 22 August 2018 - 02:12 PM

When I go to the link I don`t see any spores for sale? there is other things there, oh and thanks for the site I did not know about it sorry 


I did find a few places that do have but the cost is high 




$28.50 = R409.43 here where I live and that is my 3 month sub for Topia I would rather support here and find a member to trade with  :biggrin:



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Posted 22 August 2018 - 11:35 PM

Hey Da I'll be looking for morels next year, I had some in my yard years back. Sure I'll find more. I want to start cultivating them also. I'll be looking for Hen of the woods, and a few other specimens as well! When you see me post about it, remind me, ill send spores your way.
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Posted 23 August 2018 - 02:31 AM

Hiya THP


many thanks for the offer bud it is much appreciated, I have been doing some read up and I think a swab is the way to try collect spores the same as PE and hard to print strains, I know there is a slurry method but you need fresh and to post that would be harder then a swab I think, I will be doing more research on this


we must make a thread in edibles when we ready to start this project and I will most definitely will be bugging you in PM and reminding you at every turn are we there yet  :tongue:


Sorry ODD for the sidetrack in your thread :wub: we can ask a mod to hide these comments sorry again  :ph34r:



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Posted 24 August 2018 - 02:41 PM

Does anyone know what these are called? Is it a cake box? Storage? I really like them and have never seen them. I know this is from 2010, but I missed them.


Oops, forgot the picture.



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Posted 24 August 2018 - 02:53 PM

Hiya ODD


A quick google`foo on flat storage or shallow multi storage with lids turns up the containers you are looking for


I hope this helps, sorry if you were looking for a specific name of them, I did try but mainly got manufacturing names.



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Posted 24 August 2018 - 08:13 PM

Yeah, I googled too, so nope, lol, I think those above are for food and I dont want to go on a scavenger hunt if I dont have to. Thanks for trying though.

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Posted 24 August 2018 - 08:16 PM

Not much help, but I think I've seen those containers in big lots

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Posted 24 August 2018 - 08:28 PM

There is a big lot a mile away from me so that will work.

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Posted 24 August 2018 - 11:53 PM

I love BIG LOTS ..!

  They carry lots stuff good for MYCO projects.... sanitizes/cleaners all kinds tubs, totes  ,caning jars ,brown rice , BRF  ,polyfill  ..much more,,,,,, at Super Thrifty prices .

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Posted 26 August 2018 - 08:06 PM

Ok. They had the containers. @9x11. 5 bucks. There were some other containers that I may put a couple edibles in.

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 11:22 PM

ODD, love the food containers, they are cheap out here also and seal nicely also.

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Posted 30 August 2018 - 12:23 PM

I found this online, has some good info.











Mycelium fails to form.



Improper initiation strategy.

Consult parameter of growth. Alter moisture, temperature, light, carbon dioxide, etc.

Note: If the substrate is too moist, decrease moisture.

Chlorinated or contaminated water.

Use activated charcoal water filters to eliminate chemical contaminants or any other ways of simple or appropriate technology. 

Bad substrate.

Check substrate. Spread the substrate and remix the substrate, package again, make sure all raw materials are good and fresh.

Note: It is necessary to pasteurize immediately after bagging otherwise fermentation gas will slow down the rate of growth of mycelium or stop mycelium growth.

Bad pasteurization.

Check method of pasteurization. Release all air and make sure there is continuous steam before starting pasteurization for a period of 3 hours. 

Substrate in the bag is too hot when inoculation. 

Make sure that the substrate bag is not too hot before inoculation.

Bad strain or spawn.

Obtain younger strain of known vitality & history. 

Spawn contaminated.

Pasteurize and inoculate again with good spawn. 

Forgot to inoculate the bag. 

Make sure to inoculate.

Poor spread of mycelium, bad smell, spots and mites.


Good pasteurization but must decrease the temperature in the pasteurization chamber. Pasteurization was too quick and/or the chamber door was opened too quickly. 

Slowly decrease the temperature in the chamber. Do not open the cover of the chamber too quickly. Check that the cotton plug is tightly closed. 

Inoculation process.

Inoculate in hygiene conditions; clean and with no air movement. 

Too high density in the incubation area, not enough ventilation to decrease accumulated temperature. 

Spread the substrate bag and make more air ventilation in the incubation area. Check temperature and control surroundings to maintain 25-35 degrees Celsius. 

Too high carbon dioxide. 

Not more than 5% carbon dioxide. Check ventilation. 

Hygiene of the incubation house. 

Improve hygiene in the incubation house.

Mycelium develops in patches. Substrate is not evenly prepared and some parts have more nutrients than others 

Mix well the substrate.

Bacteria, other fungi contamination.

Check the process causing contamination. Separate contaminated bags as soon as possible. Remix substrate separately. Remake substrate bags and pasteurize for a longer time. Follow process. 

Mite contamination.

Immediately separate contaminated bags and pasteurize again. Continue the normal process.


*Keep hygiene management; make sure to clean every thing (person, area, tools, equipment, and surroundings during every step.

*Stop using the area to cut the life cycle of all contaminants for a period of at least 1-2 weeks. For serious contamination cases, spray area with chemicals.

*Use black-light with water or sticky-trap to decrease insects.

Mycelium grows but fails to produce mushrooms.


Substrate formula is not suitable.

Adjust the formula; check pH; sawdust; additives; etc.

Mites, mold, virus, bacteria and insects.

Check pasteurization process, inoculation, other processes and mushroom house management for hygiene.

Inhibited by environmental toxins. 

Remove source of toxins.

Bad strain or spawn

Acquire new strains. 

Mushrooms form, but abort or delay mushrooming.


Premodia and growth condition of fruiting body are not good enough 

Check temperature and humidity. Open or close doors and window to adjust accordingly.

There is contamination such as mold, bacteria, insects, worms and mites.

Check hygiene, adjust environment of light, temperature, humidity and ventilation. In more severe cases, use half a teaspoon of sulfur in 3.5 liters of water. Mist the bags and the surface of mushrooms. Remove contaminated bags from mushroom house and recycle. 

Chemical contamination from solvents, gas, chlorine, etc. 

Remove toxins.

Bad strain.

Acquire a new strain or find a new supplier. 

Mushrooms form, but stems are long; caps underdeveloped.


Inadequate light.

Increase or adjust light to correct wavelength.

Excessive carbon dioxide.

Increase air exchange, open doors or windows and close at correct time. 

Massive numbers of mushrooms form; few develop.


Too long time incubation. 

Shorten the period for the formation of premodia.

Lack of oxygen, inadequate light.

Increase air ventilation and open more windows or doors to receive more light. 

Inadequate substrate nutrition or low quality. 

Reformulate or check raw materials.

Low rate mycelium growth.

Use the high rate spawn or adjust good conditions for rate of growth. 

Poor strain.

Obtain better strain. 

Mushrooms are deformed, decay and die.


Disturbed by germs or competing microorganisms.

Adjust mushroom house to favor mushrooms and not germs and competitors. 

Dirty surface of substrate bags. 

Clean the surface of substrate.

Not enough air ventilation, too high humidity.

Increase air circulation. Reduce humidity to the prescribed levels. Surface water must evaporate from mushrooms several times per day. Check watering; if there is water in bags, pierce bags and drain water. 

Bad strain.

Acquire better strain. 

Use of chemicals during this period.

Never use chemicals during the fruiting stage. 

Mushrooms produced only in the first flush, fail to produce subsequent flushes.


Inadequate substrate nutrition.



Check hygiene, adjust light, temperature, humidity, air and ventilation. 

Poor growing house management. 

Improve management.

Bad strain.

Acquire new strain. 

Mushrooms small sized.


Too many mushrooms coming out at the same time. 

Reduce the size of opening(s).

Lack of nutrients in substrate

Review quality of substrate.

Change of weather.

Beware of wide range changes in temperature. 

Spawn unhealthy.

Check origin of spawn. 

Pests and insects.


Natural occurrence, humid climate.

Place lemongrass plants around mushroom house. Spread lime on shelves, on poles and ground in the mushroom house. Clean (and maintain clean) the mushroom house properly. 

Mushroom waste lying around mushroom house. 

Try to use the waste as fertilizer or recycle.


Mix detergent with water and place on their paths. Do not put on mushroom

Mushrooms are light in weight. 

Shortage of water.

Check humidity of mushroom.

Mushroom quickly spoil.


Mushrooms too mature when harvested. 

Harvest when younger.

Mushrooms too warm before packaging. 

Chill mushrooms before placing in marketing containers.

Mushrooms too wet when harvested.

Reduce humidity several hours before harvesting. 

Mushrooms stored beyond shelf life. 

Sell mushrooms faster.

Rotting spot on the mushroom fruiting body because of bacteria during flush.

Bacteria (Pseudomonas tolaasii, Pseudomonas fluorescens) on Oyster mushroom.

Control humidity in the mushroom house and maintain 80-85 %.

Give enough time for water to evaporate from mushroom surfaces before further watering.

For sever cases, use 113 grams chlorine mixed in 45 liters of water or 4 ounces of chlorine per gallon of water. 



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Posted 01 September 2018 - 01:47 AM

Thanks ODD, that link looks really good with pictures which is good, i learn better with photos and steps.

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Posted 01 September 2018 - 02:20 AM

 I am going to try cold-pasteurization for edibles this weekend. I also want to see if I can get actives growing this way with the addition of *Gulp, lol, dung.  I have been hesitant as of now, but I have been hearing of good success with it and better yields. I am getting some bulk lime and will see how it goes. It will definitely make a huge difference with the heat factor during summer, will keep the smell out of the casa and I will be able to do so much more at a time also if I can figure this out. It's a new challenge for me anyway lol.

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Posted 02 September 2018 - 02:09 PM

This is one of the best places to buy supplies from if you don't mind waiting. It definitely is not an instant gratification place to shop, but the money you save is worth it. It is the equivalent to an oversease amazon. It's crazy. If you can name it, they will have it.


LOL, forgot to add the link

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 02:22 AM

Pretty simple post here.



Grain and water. Water bottles from Kirkland are the perfect amount with four cups of grain per bag. Let them soak overnight and the grain absorbs almost all of the water making it easy to fold them up.


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Loaded PC with tools




6 bags cooked grain + two more from last pc run.


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The sealed bag, no tyvek. Making sure that the seams line up perfectly and folding them around themselves as tight as you can. Load them filter side up, and the opening on the bottom. Flatten them out with the top tray, and you end up with a sealed bag. PC for 2-3 hours depending on how full you load it and an hour cookdown on low heat to keep anything from going awry from a fast cooldown creating suction where you do not want it. Run your finger from the grainline in the fold on both sides and pull diagonally to easily open the bags. I like them sealed like this because sometimes it is a few days before I can get to them. I have to steal time here and there for this hobby lol.


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Getting ready.. (Thank you for the plate Sidestreet!)


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Ready to roll.


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These are all getting done tonite. Lots of LC. Time for me to get on making more LC's for these strains.. Some are running really low.



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Posted 06 September 2018 - 04:50 AM

Nice!  Are you saying you're growing each one of those species?

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 04:56 AM

LOL, I cannot count. There were 8 bags in there.

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 05:05 AM

Nice!  Are you saying you're growing each one of those species?


Yes. I started 4 other strains on the 2nd for the auctions here. If the auctions do ok that is. If not, no big deal. I use them lol. With cooler temps on the way, I can get started on more strains and my outdoor straw bale grows. So that is a total of 11 strains going. And a couple others for microscopic work of course lol.

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