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#1 riseabovethought

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 02:05 PM

I know this is a little overdue and late and everyone's already talking about it...but Uruguay was the first country to do it, and now Canada will be the first modern nation to do it, next month or so.  Colorado rivals California for who's the coolest kid in the school, and all I keep thinking is why arent I moving (immediately!) to one of these forward -thinking places?

 

Oh, and I need a new dry vape.  Any one know which one I should get?  Im thinking about spending some money on one that'll last awhile.  Those pens are cool with the dabs, but Im old school.... trying to give up my dugout and advance into the new age is hard enough for me. 

 

The volcano is still the most talk about vape but for stealth- there is a couple called the crafty and the mighty - both around 3-4 hundred clams, made by the same company.  Anyhoo, whats everyone been up to with all this massive changin going on?  We better get in on this gold ruch people!  What are we waiting for?  (not including you smart people already benefiting from it)... 


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Posted 04 September 2018 - 02:29 PM

http://www.stratussh...ail-system.html

 

I've been using this little rig for some time now. It is very versatile fitting most all glass - male/female - 14mm and up. For you brother, I have a piece of glass I could send you that I no longer use. 

 

The analog controller is fairly accurate. Just keep it on the lowest setting and it does the job perfectly. 

 

And to wade in on the "legal" discussion.......

I have a license to grow, possess, and consume cannabis. Never thought I would ever see any such thing in my life. I still marvel that I'm no longer a "criminal" by definition. 


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Posted 04 September 2018 - 02:37 PM

So many sub-topics under legalization to consider... In my USA-centric life, I am most concerned with the federal government entering into the game. Too much money flowing for them to stay out of it, and they lose credibility by remaining stuck in their outdated ways..

 

I'm concerned that they'll want to standardize things across state lines in the name of commerce and safety. In doing that, they'll be moderate (as compared to states like California), meaning I expect they will want to restrict home growers and shift the market to businesses that they can regulate and tax. They'll put into place a bureaucracy to inspect cannabis products, enforce standards, and tax the crap out of it.

 

Frankly, I've always been more of a 'decriminalize' fan than a 'legalize' fan. Cannabis, like any other intoxicant, has dangers, but the despotic laws have been socially devastating and need to be eliminated. I think the solution isn't more laws, but fewer.

 

Instead of the State legitimizing cannabis vis a vis other drugs, the laws should be changed to reflect the inherent risks of every drug. Mushrooms should also be decriminalized (also LSD and DMT). Many others should have their harsh laws reformed. Legalizing just perpetuates the wrong model, IMO.


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#4 onediadem

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 02:58 PM

It took decades to get where we are in terms of weed. I will be long in the grave before this country will see legalization of our enlightening substances. 


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Posted 04 September 2018 - 03:21 PM

For the Canadians ... (though its far from perfect)


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#6 riseabovethought

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 03:49 PM

We are fortunate to see this in our lifetimes.  I guess I just need to encourage it in my daily efforts.  If that means moving, then so be it!


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 06:18 PM

I'm fairly certain Michigan is going to vote to legalize recreational use this November too.

 

https://www.wxyz.com...ion-in-michigan


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Posted 06 September 2018 - 07:43 AM

I'm fairly certain Michigan is going to vote to legalize recreational use this November too.
 
https://www.wxyz.com...ion-in-michigan


Fingers crossed

As far as the feds go taxing it... I believe they're a little late to the party (ya right). in all honesty most of the individuals who were growers and have preserved genetic traits ect were outlaws and many are more comfortable being that way. If taxes get to crazy I can see some people going back to their old ways. If you're in a legal state grow some. Even if you don't consume it grow it there are many uses. It's a very rewarding plant I'm sure most here would agree. I guess being pro active and educating people on it doesn't hurt I've personally seen people change spectrums on the subject especially in regards to CBD... this is only one beneficial compound. Hard to argue with.. anyways plant some seeds grow some weed in a sustainable way easy peezy sungrown no till Korean natural farming of course set and forget almost.
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#9 riseabovethought

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 02:28 PM

http://www.stratussh...ail-system.html

 

I've been using this little rig for some time now. It is very versatile fitting most all glass - male/female - 14mm and up. For you brother, I have a piece of glass I could send you. 

 

Dude, that warms my heart, thank you seriously.  I've not really considered a whip/box type thing, but you got me thinking about it now.  I dont know why but Im always looking more at the portable vapes lately, but just using it outside the safe zone makes it more dangerous, so maybe not, I dunno.   I seem to go round and round about it.  Most people say the volcano is bar none the best vape available, but its 600 bones and its fucking huge.  i.e. Aint quickly hiding it from anyone, if need be.  Even with the laws changing, Im somehow unluckily left out, so I envy that kind of freedom Myc.  Again, it just makes me wonder why I am not already moving somewhere cool.  I dont want to die without experiencing that.  Thank you Myc.  I love this place and its so nice to have such a warm welcome checking back in here.  We really have something special here...


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#10 Billcoz

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Posted 27 September 2018 - 07:22 AM

I'm in Michigan and RECREATIONAL CANNABIS IS PROP.1 ON THE BALLOT THIS NOV 6th!!! IT WILL HAPPEN!!!

Iv'e read in some local weed culture mags about some group(s) trying to get mushrooms legal in clinics for end of life anxiety and other stuff. I will be voting!


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Posted 14 November 2018 - 07:58 PM

 MICHIGAN IS THE 10th STATE TO LEGALIZE RECREATIONAL CANNABIS FOR ADULTS 21 AND OVER!!!  WE DID IT!.

 

 Now the part that sucks, the small-time growers that suppliy the dispensaries are fucked out of jobs, a lot of them did this for a living.

 

 The MMFLA(michigan marihuanafacilities licensing act) says that only weed grown at state-licensed grow facilities can be sold commercially(dispensaries), which includes medical cannabis.

 

 Patients can still have a registered caregiver grow for them, they have to be registered as that person's CG and they can charge what they want, but ALL weed sold by dispensaries WILL  come from huge, centralized state licensed grow facilities AND, be subject to regulations concerning thc %(I have to read more about this).

 

 I sincerely hope all these big-time entrepreneurs that tipped the scales towards legalization in the minds of the state lawmakers have more than profits in mind with this. 

 

 The state would NOT be doing this if there weren't BIG $$$ involved and if other rec states weren't showing huge revenue gains from it. These investors have been waiting, they could do it right if they care, though I have a gross feeling it's gonna be like all other commercial goods and will end up being a one size fits all, packaged thing where there will be 3 weed strengths, high, med & low there will be a green, a purple, a sativa and an indica, and that'll be the selection. 


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Posted 14 November 2018 - 09:43 PM

LOL, they may want that, but dispensaries will still buy from local growers under the radar. There will not be enough regulator/inspectors to stop it from happening, and there will not be enough weed to supply them doing it the way they want. Foolishness is what it is, and corporate greed behind it, promoted by politicians getting their hands greased.

 

Don't you just love my cynicism? Stoners have always found a way and have worked around the law. It is laughable to me.


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Posted 14 November 2018 - 11:51 PM

LOL, they may want that, but dispensaries will still buy from local growers under the radar. There will not be enough regulator/inspectors to stop it from happening, and there will not be enough weed to supply them doing it the way they want. Foolishness is what it is, and corporate greed behind it, promoted by politicians getting their hands greased.

 

Don't you just love my cynicism? Stoners have always found a way and have worked around the law. It is laughable to me.

 No, there will be all sorts of inspections according to the dispensary owner I know. She said they can't have even a gram more or less than their book keeping, and they assume the state will send in undercover guys to watch(not necessarily entapment) and it all has to be tested for mold, metals, chemicals, cannabinoids/terpenes, ect. 

 

 

 

 Very few dispensaries applied for the license for growing there own weed to sell and this past spring(18) the rules were enacted, they actually wrote the MMFLA to account for legalized recreational because the petition had passed to get the prop on ballot and they figured it would pass, it polled at 60+% for years.

 

 Most dispensaries had clones for sale and some had a grow room until this past spring when the rules went into effect and they had to stop selling em, aside from a upscale places, as the application fee was more for a grow fac, they need a MMFLA license, and the clones would have to come from a licensed grow fac. and be accounted for in books. It's rediculous! 

 

 There is only ONE licensed grow facility in Michigan as of now, VB Chesaning  has 4 class C licenses for 6,000 plants.

 

License Types:

 

Grower Class A - 600 Plants, B - 1,000 Plants, C - 1,500 Plants


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Posted 15 November 2018 - 12:00 AM

 

 

Don't you just love my cynicism? Stoners have always found a way and have worked around the law. It is laughable to me.

 

 Well what will happen is a hell of a lot of people will buy it on the street, even though it will drastically recuce quality control. Trust me, we had THE SHITTIEST weed in Mich before 2008, and it took till 2012 for us to get dispensaries.

 

 We used to have three types of weed, "Chrons", Regs", and "Mexican tire weed", the last one was trucked up from Mex. If we drove to Detroit we could get "BC Buds" or "Blueberry"(any bluish tinted green weed, not always BB strain).



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Posted 15 November 2018 - 09:39 AM

in the 37 years I have been part of the underground and now the industry, we have come a long way....I dont see it ever being rescheduled....which is funny because the fed don't do enforcement each state does, and then moves the cases to federal court depending on whats up with that particular case. The FDA approved a THC / CBD seizure medicine last week in all 50 states, yet THC is schedule one so wtf is up with that....I'm in a legal state...but far from legal it seems sometimes.


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Posted 16 November 2018 - 12:09 AM

 Kraven, it's legal if they get a huge piece, they had to pad the law with all sorts of incentives to attract investors and controls to make sure only the wealthiest investors get contracts and licenses along with the high license fees and 18% total tax..

 

 That's why most the dispensaries in the state that sold clones/live plants but had to stop, because when the licensing act went into effect they had to pay up or get outa the clone biz.

 

 They took all this into account when writing it, they wanna attract people like Shaq's wife(or x), who is an investor in "cannabiz".

 

 It won't ever be legal for unlimited sale peer to peer, or totally freed, like weed growing EVERYWHERE, the way it oughta be.


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Posted 02 April 2019 - 01:18 PM

Rise Above, I love my Magic Flight box and it has been the same for ages. Discrete simple little box that is kinda pricey 120$ or so but can find sales, for what it is. But what it is really works well and has a lifetime guarantee. Keep the serial number somewhere as it can wear off the box with use. It can hit for real which is a usual complaint for smokers looking at vapes. Small learning curve to figure length and how hard to press battery but still very easy to make work right.

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 01:32 PM

I'm super stoked (even with all the questions and disagreements) in MI. I've been waiting for this since high school (late 80s and Cali was legalized in 91 for reference) and we wondered if it ever would be. Felt it would eventually just because most everyone I know or knew smokes at least some cannabis. I'm all for trying to get people to give growing a try too. I thought we would hit closer with medical laws than we were ever able to but the people in control were fighting it even though everyone wanted it. Voters anyways. Now at least there WILL BE dispensaries which were needed and messed with alot but older people and severely handicapped or brown thumbs, kids ect need a place to get it. Most people didnt get medical cards even though they would be approved just do to the constant fight with the state.

Im glad they left caregivers alone but people have already been up in there trying to change what we just passed such as giving away small amounts, 12 plants for recreational, recreational growing. They did JUST TODAY pass the no limits on the thc and driving and will just simply use driving under the influence laws to get people on that charge. Hopefully I will be able to get my previous grow charge removed from my record and then I could potentially be a caregiver again. They have a law which limits that if you have a drug felony. We will see how this goes I guess.
I'd live to go greenhouse during the summer for cost and ease to make edibles and oils and keep the wintertime indoor going to keep clones and strains and other particular things going. I have a low tunnel already but it isn't set up yet.

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Posted 21 April 2019 - 08:35 PM

Keep voting in young reps.  There are more and more reps and senators willing to legalize cannabis.  Even make it legal to be addicted to opiates.  It sure looks like we are at a tipping point.  Law enforcement has years of the belief in the misinformation and lies to overcome.  It is getting harder and harder for them not to look and sound like asses when they expound the old reasonling.

 

I should add that my rep takes a pro legalization stance.  While she is not a user, nor does she personally approve of using cannabis, she will follow the wishes of her electorate.  I would like to get her high.  I bet she would have a blast.


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Posted 21 April 2019 - 08:51 PM

Legalization means NOTHING to me as long as it is still on the federal list of controlled substances. This whole damn state is enjoying their freedom, but my work place is still very much testing folks and wrecking their lives if you have any sort of accident at work. Then there is the big fish hook of Driving under the influence that they started up about the same time. Now if you get pulled over and they suspect you MIGHT be impaired, they can swab your mouth and even if you smoked yesterday it can test positive. They claim it only shows positive for current impairment but that is bullshit. I wish it was free like they say, but in my book it is illegal as it ever was...


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