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#21 Skywatcher


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Posted 22 October 2018 - 11:38 AM


Could you give a basic instruction on how to make a hot castor oil pack, tell me where you place it and for how long?

I don't drink, but have medications I would not care to do without. Blood pressure is the only one that is daily. Anything else is as needed and I do try not to take anything if I can. I drink water all day to flush. I also take rotating vitamin supplements, including B complex  and herbals for stress.


Other than the BP meds, I can go without anything with no ill effects, although it's been awhile since I opted to skip the Kratom in the morning, since that is what keeps me off the pain meds all day, and allows me to stay active and keep the muscles built up on my knee, not that I do not pay a price for that at night...............


I really try not to get up just because I woke up through the night, but after I have laid there for 40 minutes with my distorted mental vision and circle loop of what ifs, it is pointless to let that continue and I would really rather get up and clear my head of that crap. Whether I get on the computer or not, I am not going to go back to bed once I'm up, and there is not much else to do when it's dark outside and I am trying to be quiet...... 

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 12:48 PM

I certainly get the mental looping thing, as that used to trouble me no end too.  


The way I do the HCOP is with an eight inch square Pyrex cake pan.    I fold a cotton cloth to about six by eight rectangle about eight layers and pour castor oil over it and put this in my toaster oven and heat it to maybe 250°.   When it's hot, I take a hot water bottle and fill it with the hottest water I can get from the tap (and for some reason, I am not satisfied unless it is really hot, but I have burned myself by going a bit too far).    Then, with the cabin good and warm, I set up my bed for staying put for the best part of an hour by putting on something to listen to and a large folded towel across where my middle will be.   I cut a clean thin plastic bag to get an unprinted piece that's a good bit larger than my oiled cloth pad.   I get the cake pan from the oven with a hot mitt in one hand, and my water bottle in the other, and head up the stairs.   I lie down on  the towel from just below the belt line to just up on the rib cage.  I pick up the hot folded pad and place it on over the liver and put the plastic sheet on top of that.  Then the water bottle goes on and then the ends of the folded towel wrap me up from both sides to keep the heat of the water bottle in.    Then I enjoy a very relaxing time, sucking up the heat.  


When it's over, I go wash off the oiled area and put the pad back into the pan of oil, cover it with plastic wrap, and stick it in the fridge for tomorrow night.   You can get lots of repeats without changing the oil.   Just keep it in the fridge.   I use a new piece of plastic bag each night.   Everything else gets recycled.  


There are lots of HCOP directions on line too.   I was using an electric heating pad for only a few times before my doc vetoed that.    He said it was bad ju ju.  

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Posted 23 October 2018 - 06:46 AM

Well, last nights valerian root was a failure. I can't really totally say that, because my rescue cat Binx is dying, and there seems to be nothing I can do about it. This was of course weighing heavy on me before bed, and still when I woke at 3 this morning.


I was hoping to hear some lab results before he turned backward again, but I am now not sure how long he can wait. I just can't leave him suffer, and if it seems he is hurting, I won't let it go on.


I seem to have an endless stream of life or death issues facing me these days...............

I really need some stability for a little while.

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Posted 23 October 2018 - 08:05 AM

Hi Skywatcher. Sorry to hear your still going thru various life issues. In light of what has been happening to you guys for the last several weeks it is no wonder your body is out of sorts. Hopefully a good cleanse will reset your life.

This getting old really sucks at times.
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Posted 23 October 2018 - 01:07 PM

My god Sky. I really wish for you some peace.

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Posted 23 October 2018 - 04:40 PM

Skywatcher. It really stinks when you have to make the decision to put a beloved one to sleep. Your cat I mean. I'm very sorry you're in the position you're in now. Have you tried meditation to clear your mind? Or deep breathing? I've been on prednisone all week due to a painful carpal tunnel condition. It really revs me up. So I've been taking 10mg of valium every night. I'll pay for it with no sleep for who knows how long? Have you ever had a sleep study? I would think your doctor would recommend one if you told him about your sleep issues. I have obstructive sleep apnea. I stop breathing 60 times an hour. Which never lets me get into REM. I've used cpap for a few years, and bipap for a few years with no noticeable change in my fatigue level. Soon I'll be going to a specialist who specializes in making dental devices that shift the jaw forward to keep the airway open. My last sleep study, in 2015, I only slept for 2 & 1/2 hours. Which is about all I've been surviving on for many years. It has definitely taken a measurable toll on my body. From Pulmonary, to my heart. Not to mention my mind. There's also a new device that's an implant that the FDA has approved that looks promising. It's called Inspire. I hope you get your sleep issues sorted out. Best of luck.

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Posted 23 October 2018 - 04:46 PM

Pets are part of the family, at least they are in my experience... Losing a pet is never easy... I grew up with English Mastiffs... For nearly 30 years there was always one on the farm... They were massive goofy galoots... I miss them...


After the third one, my mom said no more... She couldn't handle losing them any more. They have a life expectancy of 8-10 years max and my mom just couldn't handle the loss. We hung on as long as we could, beyond the point that they needed help to get onto their feet to go outside since they were so heavy...


I feel for you sky! I love my animals and losing a partner in crime is always difficult!

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Posted 24 October 2018 - 01:08 AM

Hey Skywatcher, my herbalist got back to me today and generously shared her secret recipe for the "Deep nerve tonic" tea. I hope it will provide some relief, though I wish I could do more to help. It will pass.

Simple Remedies Deep Nerve Tonic:
1 part chamomile
3 parts holy basil
2 parts St. Johns wort
1.5 parts skullcap
1.5 parts lemon balm
1/2 part hops
1 part ginger
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Posted 24 October 2018 - 07:13 AM

Thank you DonShadow. Some of these I have growing in the yard, the rest I believe I have source for.


I have hardly slept last night. I got the lab results back last night for my cat. He has FHP, a mutated form of Corona Virus. It is not very common, but seen sometimes with cats that were in shelters for a while, which he was for 4 months before we rescued him. It is not treatable. I was assured it is not pain he feels, but pressure from all the fluid building up around his lungs and heart, forcing a labored breathing, and making it hard to eat.


As weak as he is, he still purrs like a machine and looks at me adoringly when I hold him and pet him. It breaks my heart. He came to me last night, and spent the rest of the night with me once I put him up on the bed.


None of this is very conducive to sleeping well, but I think I will be grateful for a time to say goodbye. I'll see how he is when I get back from the doctors this morning, and act accordingly...................................................

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Posted 26 October 2018 - 07:36 AM


Hope things are improving with your sleep. Discussed your problem with my wife & girlfriend and was told that early morning waking is typically a symptom of depression. Anxiety makes for a restless falling asleep; depression manifests with early awakening.

You’ve got enough shit on your plate to account for the cause.

You know that native american proverb where an old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life? "A fight is going on inside me," he said to the boy. "It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego." He continued, "The other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you - and inside every other person, too."


The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

Are you feeding the wolf of 3AM awakening?

Your plight touched my heart, but I’ve been hesitant to write, fearing it would sound preachy.

My honest opinion is that your will is the way out. I sometimes use a tarot deck to supply the archetypal images to direct my subconcious in the right direction. My card for this task would be Key 1, the Magician. It symbolizes the power of the will to translate desires into reality.

Decide to stop feeding the wolf of 3AM. Train your body & your mind to manifest your decision to get past this, despite the shit you’re going through. Pick a nightly time to go to bed. Stop all sceen-related activity at least an hour before then. Choose a time to awake and don’t get out of bed until then...  except when the bladder demands (gotta remember it’s an old bear you’re taking to).

Let go of the negative & loss. Grieve when you must, but let it pass through you & move on.


Work the stress hormones out of your system with physical labor.  Enjoy the resulting endorphin rush.


Lock in on the positive & banish negative thoughts when they intrude.  No feeding the wolf of 3AM.


Look for laughter & share it.


Physical contact & touch will prevail when words fail.  Massage someone you love & receive massage in return.  Cuddling & hugs are encouraged.


You’ll find what you’re looking for.




And we remember that we love you.

Edited by OldBear, 26 October 2018 - 08:02 AM.

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Posted 26 October 2018 - 09:36 AM

Thank you OldBear,

That was helpful, and actually surprising in that it reinforced what I have been doing of late...........

I cleansed the entire house and yard of any residual or built up negativity on the full moon, and took a good hour to do the same to myself .


I have been pushing myself back to the acceptance of what is, and what I cannot change. Carrying my pocket stones that reinforce my will, and help me reflect away the negativity that seems in no shortage.


My mood and anxiety level has been returning to a more "normal" level . 


I also had to go in to see my doctor for a medication review. I am totally honest with him. He had me revisit the anxiety disorder, and I told him what has been going on for the last several months.

He approved my panic medication refill again, yet I have not needed it. He also started me on Tramadol before bed, to help re-set the clock. This is not a long term medication, just a helper until my sleep cycle gets reinforced again at its normal pattern.


I am happy to say for the last two nights, I have been up at 3 to use the bathroom, and then successfully gone back to bed and slept until 5 yesterday, and until after 6 this morning.


I really appreciate the reminder to not feed the wolf of negative and despair. I see how off balance and yes, depressed, I had let myself snowball along towards. (it's surprising still to me what a few nights of solid sleep does for a clearer perspective).

I am starting the day today in a good mood........................


I have used the "like" button as a sort of thank you in this thread, to all of you who have been helpful and supportive, but feel I need to also say "Thank you to you all".


Perhaps I can deal with some tough decisions today......

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